XSF logo XMPP Council - 2019-07-17


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  67. dwd Hi all - looks like I'm very likely to miss this afternoon's meeting, and helpfully, I've been too busy to get an agenda out.
  68. Ge0rG I've had some topic for discussion that I wanted to bring up, but I forgot what it was
  69. Ge0rG If we are out of Dave and out of Kev, I can try to chair today.
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  72. pep. There's two new protoxeps, reactions and occupant-id, I guess that can be put on the agenda, or at least to review by council
  73. Ge0rG pep.: do you have links?
  74. Ge0rG I feel a bit rushed TBH, putting new proto-XEPs up for in-meeting review, without having them on the agenda yesterday
  75. Link Mauve Editor merged them two days ago, but maybe forgot to send the emails.
  76. Link Mauve No, the emails have been sent too.
  77. Ge0rG So you've just discovered that I didn't read my emails. Shame on me.
  78. jonas’ https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/occupant-id.html
  79. jonas’ https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reactions.html
  80. jonas’ Ge0rG, ^
  81. Ge0rG 👍
  82. Ge0rG as both are already two days old, I presume that every Council member has seen and read them and they can be voted on.
  83. jonas’ at least on one I have a strong opinion
  84. Ge0rG I have strong opinions on both.
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  86. Ge0rG tis time
  87. jonas’ I’m here
  88. Ge0rG Fake-Dev is up to no good, again.
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  90. Ge0rG 1) Roll Call
  91. Ge0rG Link Mauve?
  92. Ge0rG looks like Kev is out and Dave sent very-likely-apologies.
  93. Ge0rG jonas’: just you and me don't make a quorum.
  94. Link Mauve Hi.
  95. Link Mauve I’m here.
  96. Ge0rG ohai Link Mauve
  97. Ge0rG Shall we commence with a Council Meeting, then?
  98. Link Mauve Sure.
  99. Link Mauve We have quorum.
  100. Ge0rG 2) Agenda Bashing
  101. Ge0rG For a lack of in-advance agenda, we have two proto-XEPs that were passed in.
  102. Ge0rG Any other things to put on?
  103. jonas’ not from me
  104. Link Mauve None from me either.
  105. Ge0rG Awesome. Let's begin, then
  106. Ge0rG 3) Items for voting:
  107. Ge0rG 3a) XEP-xxxx: Anonymous unique occupant identifiers for MUCs https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/occupant-id.html
  108. jonas’ +1 on that one from me
  109. Link Mauve +1 too.
  110. Ge0rG I'd rather see those occupant IDs be in the form of JIDs and maybe even be passed as @jid in the 0045 <item/>.
  111. Ge0rG But +1
  112. Ge0rG 3b) Message Reactions https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reactions.html
  113. Ge0rG I'm a bit torn on this. It's got some implementation details that I'd love to straighten out, but the elephant in the room is XEP-0372: References
  114. Link Mauve Ge0rG, the reasoning for putting them in messages was to be able to track them during MAM retrieval.
  115. Ge0rG This is obviously duplicating a subset of References.
  116. Ge0rG Link Mauve: yeah, it's a useful thing to have
  117. jonas’ I reasoned why references isn’t a good basis for reactions in https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat/issues/80
  118. jonas’ > References: refers to the body and may apply to only a subset of the referencing message. This is not so great: it creates ambiguity because the whole message is in fact a reaction.
  119. Ge0rG jonas’: that is probably the easiest to sort out with reactions
  120. Ge0rG as was discussed on list (or was it in xsf@?), we need some way to tell a MAM server that certain messages belong together.
  121. Ge0rG and it should be a unified way and not defined in each XEP individually
  122. Link Mauve jonas’, it was proposed to add a schema for referencing full messages, but IIRC that was only in the context of MIX, I don’t remember the details for the rest.
  123. Ge0rG one of the ugly sub-problems is "which ID to reference?"
  124. Ge0rG anyway, I'm still undecided on that, so +0 for now
  125. Ge0rG 4) Outstanding Votes
  126. Ge0rG some have expired last week.
  127. Link Mauve 3) I’m +1 on it, these issues can be ironed out before going to draft.
  128. Ge0rG Dave and Kev are pending on last week's
  129. Ge0rG ohwait.
  130. Ge0rG jonas’: your vote on 3b please
  131. jonas’ oh sorry
  132. jonas’ I’m +1
  133. jonas’ the details can be ironed out
  134. Ge0rG 5) Next Meeting
  135. Ge0rG I suggest trying +1W
  136. Link Mauve +1W should be fine, I should note I won’t be able to attend the one afterwards, on the 31st.
  137. jonas’ +1w wfm
  138. Ge0rG Great, then we'll try +1W and see if more Council members appear.
  139. Ge0rG 6) AOB
  140. Ge0rG anyone?
  141. Ge0rG well, that's a clear message
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  143. Ge0rG 7) EOM
  144. Link Mauve Thanks Ge0rG for chairing today. :)
  145. Ge0rG Kev: your timing couldn't have been better.
  146. Kev Sorry, I was intending to be here, but was laid out in one of our meeting pods asleeep. Not feeling well.
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  148. jonas’ I hope you get better soon
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  151. Kev Ta.
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