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jonas’
heads up, I’ll have a hard deadline on 15:30 UTC
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jonas’
anyone?
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jonas’
Ge0rG, Kev, Link Mauve, dwd (?)
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dwd
I'm only vaguely around (in an IETF MLS WG Interim)
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Link Mauve
Hi, I’m here.
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jonas’
can we count dwd for quorum?
- Ge0rG is roughly there
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jonas’
that’s 0.5 + 0.5 + 1.0 + 1.0, so I guess it’s quorum
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jonas’
if nobody objects I’ll take the chair
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Ge0rG
sit down, please
- Link Mauve agrees.
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jonas’
right
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jonas’
let’s begin
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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dwd
You can't count me for Quorum I'm afraid, I'm only here to track, not to participate.
- Ge0rG fully materializes
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jonas’
Link Mauve still there?
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Link Mauve
Yes of course.
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jonas’
good
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
Tedd was so kind to post an agenda.
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jonas’
A quick check hasn’t revealed anything he’s missed, which would mean no items for a vote.
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jonas’
Does anyone disagree?
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Ge0rG
No
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dwd
JC said his docs were ready, but they've not been announced by the Editor.
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jonas’
did I forget to send an email?
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dwd
If you didn't, then his docs - retraction? - are due a vote.
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jonas’
ah, someone else than me merged them
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Kev
Sorry, here now. One of those days.
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jonas’
and something is off about them, I’ll have to check closely, cannot do it right now.
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jonas’
there’s this: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation
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jonas’
that has been announced after the previous meeting
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jonas’
so I’ll add it to the agenda
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jonas’
anyways
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jonas’
3) Items for a vote
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jonas’
3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Moderation
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jonas’
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/message-moderation.html
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jonas’
(this is incorrectly marked as Experimental, which is also why things break in my tooling)
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jonas’
I haven’t looked at all into it yet, so on-list.
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Link Mauve
Me neither, so on list.
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Ge0rG
on-list it is
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jonas’
Kev, dwd?
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Link Mauve
jonas’, neither of them are here.
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Kev
On-list.
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Link Mauve
Oh?
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jonas’
Link Mauve, kev said he is :)
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Kev
I hadn't even noticed the announcement.
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Link Mauve
Oh, I missed Kev’s message. :D
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Kev
Bad me.
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jonas’
okay, going to skip dave
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jonas’
AFAIK those are all items we have for a vote
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jonas’
4) Activiyt Summary
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Ge0rG
did anything time out?
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jonas’
There have been updates to XEPs according to Tedd: Updated: XEP-0060 (Publish-Subscribe), and XEP-0280 (Message Carbons) New: XEP-0422 (Message Fastening), and XEP-0423 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2020)
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jonas’
5) Outstanding Votes
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jonas’
PR #824 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/824
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jonas’
everyone is on-list, so we’re all to blame
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jonas’
Proposed XMPP Extension: Authorization Tokens - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/auth-tokens.html is missing votes by Ge0rG, Link Mauve and me (and Kev who defaults to -1)
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jonas’
does anyone want to cast votes now?
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jonas’
(they are not expiring until next week)
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Link Mauve
Still on list for me, I haven’t had the time to look at it in Sweden.
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jonas’
understandable
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Ge0rG
still on-list
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jonas’
moving on
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jonas’
6) Date of Next
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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Ge0rG
I have a travel day in +1W, but I hope to not be moving and be available at Meeting Time
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jonas’
noted
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pep.
I'll send a note for the agenda next time I publish a XEP sorry
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pep.
/merge
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jonas’
Link Mauve, Kev?
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Link Mauve
I shouldn’t have any issue on that day.
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jonas’
moving on for the sake of having a few minutes for AOB
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jonas’
7) AOB
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jonas’
(I don’t have any)
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jonas’
oh, I do
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Ge0rG
I have a bag of AOBs
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jonas’
wanted to note that I had a meeting with MattJ regarding the registries
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Ge0rG
Tell us more!
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jonas’
we have figured out a way forward, I just need to collect the motivation to do it
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jonas’
it’ll be similar to the xeps repository with docker and whatnot
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jonas’
I’ll try to get around to do this the next few days, I was mostly busy with search.jabber.network in the past week
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jonas’
end of my AOB
- jonas’ hands the mic to Ge0rG
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jonas’
(with a friendly reminder of my hard deadline at 15:30Z)
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Ge0rG
I am still seeking inputs for CS-2020
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Ge0rG
I know that Council technically is required to contribute, but it would be great nevertheless
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jonas’
(is there a "not" missing in that sentence? ;) )
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Ge0rG
I am still seeking responses to the "Persisting Message Errors" thread
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Ge0rG
jonas’: yes
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jonas’
Ge0rG, can you summarize real quick what’s missing for CS-2020?
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Ge0rG
jonas’: new XEPs to mandate; a better intro text; real content for the Future section
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jonas’
right
- Ge0rG detected that it's missing XEP-0245, which we should mandate for basic IM
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jonas’
I’ll have to look at the draft to reply to this
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jonas’
which I can’t reasonably do right now
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Ge0rG
XEP-0286 makes *some* sense for Mobile.
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Ge0rG
jonas’: you could provide opinion on whether XEP-0300 should be somewhere in the CS
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jonas’
given that time is pressing on this matter, I suggest that all council members will take a look at CS-2020 material give Ge0rG the input he needs.
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jonas’
Ge0rG, I don’t think that XEP-0300 on its own makes sense to have in CS. It’s a building block for other XEPs.
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Ge0rG
jonas’: great!
- Ge0rG removes 0300 from his todo list
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jonas’
any remaining AOB which fits in the next 5min?
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Ge0rG
No.
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Ge0rG
Oh, wait.
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jonas’
okay. sorry for that.
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jonas’
8) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
thanks all
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jonas’
sorry for rushing it a bit
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Ge0rG
I want to make CS2020 active before the Christmas holidays.
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Ge0rG
Not sure whether to make it the last vote in current council or the first vote in 2020 council
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dwd
jonas’, Thanks!
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Kev
Thanks all.
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Kev
Sorry I'm both busy today, and ill, again.
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dwd
Ge0rG, I'd aim for this one, if we can.
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Kev
I'll be back on normal noisy form at some point.
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Ge0rG
dwd: Council election is on 2019-11-21, which means we have to vote on November 6th latest, to not get problems from expiring Council members.
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jonas’
Kev, get better soon :)
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Kev
Ta. It's just a cold, which I thought I was over and then went for a run today and the cold decided it Would Not Go Quietly Into The Night, so now ... you don't need details.
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jonas’
fun, I have a similar story sitting next to me on the sofa. so yeah.
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jcbrand
Hi, I'd just like to mention that the message retractions protoXEP was announced something like 2 or 3 years ago, so you wouldn't have noticed that recently. The message moderation protoXEP *was* announced last week.
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Kev
"I didn't notice" doesn't imply the needful wasn't done.
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jcbrand
Yep, just clarifying