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Ge0rG
FYI, as the docker has gone MIA, here is a pre-rendered version of 0423, the one that I'm anticipating to request the Last Call for: https://op-co.de/tmp/xep-0423.html
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Ge0rG
It's that day of the week again.
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Link Mauve
Hi, I’m here!
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Ge0rG
I was just two minutes early.
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jonas’
I’m here, too
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Link Mauve
dwd, Kev, Kev_?
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Kev
I'm here.
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Ge0rG
It looks like we have a quorum anyway.
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Ge0rG
And if we count the two Kevs, we are even at full occupancy.
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Ge0rG
Dave only sent apologies for the agenda, IIRC.
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Kev
Only thing to do today is to LC CS, right?
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Kev
Which I've not had a chance to review in detail yet, but +1 to LC.
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Ge0rG
Kev: there is also an expiring vote on Message Moderation
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jonas’
that’s the thing we definitely have to do, yes
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Kev
Oh, I was sure I'd voted on that.
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Ge0rG
Kev: apparently you were the only one
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Kev
Ah :)
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Kev
Well, let's start with
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Kev
LC on CS?
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Kev
+1
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Link Mauve
+1
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Ge0rG
Kev: can we make it More Formal please?
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Ge0rG
Like, agenda and such.
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jonas’
I don’t like how it puts fasten in an IQ payload
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jonas’
oh, different thing
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Kev
Ok
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Ge0rG
Who'd like to stand up to chair?
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Kev
1) Last call on Compliance Suites.
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Kev
Formal enough?
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Ge0rG
1) Roll Call, please
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Kev
We already did that bit.
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jonas’
not formally, tho
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Link Mauve
^^'
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Ge0rG
Kev: not Formally.
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Kev
Do we really care whether we say the words 'roll call' before checking who's here?
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Ge0rG
Kev: I'd hate the CS LC to be declared formally incorrect because of a form error.
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Link Mauve
Ge0rG, we don’t have that formalism formalised anywhere, it’s only a tradition.
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jonas’
okay, I’ll chair
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Kev
Find me which bit of our formal process requires us to say 'roll call' at the start of Council.
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Kev
I'll wait.
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jonas’
if nobody objects
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jonas’
because this is too meta
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Kev
jonas’: Sure. I mean, I've already started, clearly.
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jonas’
1) Roll Call
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Kev
I'm here.
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Link Mauve
Erm, I’m here too.
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jonas’
me obviously, too
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jonas’
is Ge0rG here, too?
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Ge0rG
yeah!
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jonas’
\o/
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jonas’
2) Agenda Bashing
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jonas’
- LC for XEP-0423
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jonas’
anything else?
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Ge0rG
I suppose we can figure out the presence of 0392 in 0423 during LC
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Ge0rG
upcoming DST as an AOB please
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jonas’
we’re all in europe, AFAIK DST change is in 2w
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jonas’
okay, nothing else for the agenda, so moving on
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jonas’
3) Items for a Vote
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jonas’
3a) Instruct Editors to Issue a Last Call for XEP-0423
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jonas’
+1
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Kev
As we're working on the basis that we should do things as they're normally done, rather than what's required or useful, I'll on-list this one in a couple of weeks.
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Ge0rG
+1
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Link Mauve
+1
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Link Mauve
Kev, :D
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pep.
There was more than that LC on the agenda, but dwd isn't here so.. of course he's not transmitting this :(
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Ge0rG
pep.: what else was there?
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jonas’
alright, Kev on list, dwd absent, everyone else +1
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jonas’
3b) ...
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pep.
292 is still in proposed state since February
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jonas’
it had a single bit of feedback
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jonas’
which was mostly "this looks good"
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Zash
I'll note that there was some discussion prior to LC that I forget if it resulted in any changes
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Ge0rG
Did we have a Lash Call Shepherd?
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jonas’
no
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jonas’
okay, so: 3b) Vote on advancing XEP-0292 to Draft
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Ge0rG
on-list
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jonas’
on-list, I’m afraid
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Link Mauve
On list, I’ll have to gather data about what has been done and what should be done.
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jonas’
Kev, ?
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Kev
on-list. It feels like we've done this already.
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jonas’
not according to any minutes on standards@ apparently
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jonas’
4) Date of Next
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jonas’
+1w wfm
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Link Mauve
Same.
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Ge0rG
+1W WFM
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Kev
I can't make next week.
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jonas’
okay
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jonas’
5) AOB
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jonas’
5a) DST change
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Kev
SOP, I suggest.
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jonas’
UK, France and Germany change on Oct 27th
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jonas’
I think that covers all council members?
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Link Mauve
Correct.
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jonas’
so I suggest that we move along with DST and meet at 16:00Z starting on Oct 30th, that is in two weeks. (discusing this now so that Kev can comment)✎ -
jonas’
so I suggest that we move along with DST and meet at 16:00Z starting on Oct 30th, that is in two weeks. (discussing this now so that Kev can comment) ✏
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Ge0rG
I think so too.
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Ge0rG
jonas’: +1
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Link Mauve
That wfm.
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Kev
As I said, I suggest SOP. Which is that Council is pinned to European DST.
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Link Mauve
The EU is going to abolism DST quite soon, is that what it is?
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jonas’
Kev, I failed to parse SOP, sorry
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Kev
Standard Operating Procedure.
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jonas’
okay, so we all agree
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jonas’
any other AOB?
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Link Mauve
I have another AOB:
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Link Mauve
5b) Could we not formalise formalism for formalism’s sake? Doing things slightly out of the ordinary shouldn’t matter for the purpose of a meeting.
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Ge0rG
Link Mauve: I'm very sorry. To you too, Kev
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jonas’
Link Mauve, I don’t have a strong opinion on that, but it seemed like the easiest way to break out of the meta discussion earlier today
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Link Mauve
No problem with that. :)
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Link Mauve
But it felt like things already started at that time, that’s it.
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Kev
I was, incidentally, trying to get the meeting done with quickly so I'd have time to go review the CS before I have to offline for the day.
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jonas’
Kev, which unfortunately backfired
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Link Mauve
That’s also how it felt to me.
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jonas’
Kev, though you can review the CS while they’re in Last Call ;)
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Ge0rG
Sorry, everyone.
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Kev
Eaty meeting east?
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jonas’
6) Ite Meeting Est
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jonas’
Thanks all.
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Kev
Thanks all.
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jonas’
Sorry for taking reign of the chair like that
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Ge0rG
Damn, I just wanted to cast my vote on Message Moderation.
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Link Mauve
Ge0rG, you can still do so on list.
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Ge0rG
Thanks, everyone.
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Link Mauve
As I’m going to do once I’m done with it.
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jonas’
right, I forgot the pending votes section
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jonas’
Link Mauve, technically, the vote has expired just now, I think
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jonas’
depending on what "close of business" actually means
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Zash
https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-January/035714.html
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Link Mauve
Really? Not at the end of business day?
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jonas’
Link Mauve, business day in which time zone?
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Kev
Close of business is when you're done working for the day.
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Ge0rG
what if you keep working until after midnight?
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Kev
If you're still voting, I'd argue you're still doing business.
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Link Mauve
jonas’, the correct one!
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jonas’
in any case, back to my cleaning frenzy
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theTedd
voting nudge for: dwd, jonas’, and Link Mauve
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theTedd
Message Moderation
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jonas’
theTedd, thanks
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jonas’
done
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Link Mauve
Finally reviewed them and sent my email!