XMPP Council - 2019-11-07

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14:58:06 Kev Just reviewed https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0423.html . Just in case I don't make today's meeting, I'm premptively +1 on moving 0.3 to Draft.
15:10:43 Ge0rG Phew.
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16:00:41 Dave Cridland OK.
16:00:46 Dave Cridland 1) Roll Call
16:00:57 Kev 2, bacon.
16:01:37 Dave Cridland Had 2 bacon ones for lunch today, with extra thick bacon. Yummy.
16:01:47 Dave Cridland Ge0rG, Link Mauve, jonas’ ?
16:01:56 Ge0rG Kevin Bacon?
16:02:00 Ge0rG ,o/
16:02:00 Link Mauve Yes, I’m here.
16:02:17 jonas’ .
16:02:20 jonas’ am here
16:02:22 Dave Cridland Well, that's a full house.
16:02:26 jonas’ Bacon Buger!
16:02:28 Dave Cridland 2) Agenda Bashing
16:02:29 jonas’ Bacon Burger!
16:02:39 Link Mauve I’m hungry now.
16:02:39 Link Mauve After failing at making mochi. :(
16:02:50 Dave Cridland I'm assuming we just have XEP-0423 to Draft.
16:02:56 Ge0rG Let's add something to the agenda just for the sake of it
16:03:04 Dave Cridland Let's not.
16:03:10 Dave Cridland 3) Item for a vote:
16:03:17 jonas’ I’m +1 on XEP-0423 to Draft
16:03:21 Dave Cridland a) Advance XEP-0423 to Draft.
16:03:23 Ge0rG +1 on XEP-0423 to Draft
16:03:28 Dave Cridland jonas’, Patience.
16:03:32 Link Mauve I’m +1 on XEP-0423 to Draft.
16:03:39 Link Mauve I’m +1 on advancing XEP-0423 to Draft.
16:04:12 Kev +1. And a big thank you to Ge0rG for sticking with this. This is, I think, the most useful CS we've had in as long as I can remember - I think having some sort of nuance really helps.
16:04:33 Link Mauve Indeed!
16:04:46 Dave Cridland Tempting to veto for dramatic purposes, now.
16:04:57 Dave Cridland But no, best not.
16:05:00 Ge0rG Dave Cridland: you could on-list instead and wait until the 20th.
16:05:40 Dave Cridland +1 to advance to Draft. And I agree with Kev, this has been a lot of effort for Ge0rG, but it's resulted in a much better document than we've had for a long time.
16:06:03 Ge0rG Even the 21st.
16:06:03 Ge0rG And announce your vote right before Alex closes the polls.
16:06:03 Ge0rG And then it will get delayed by the MTA and...
16:06:06 Dave Cridland Thanks also to the rest of Council for the extra meeting and being prepared for it.
16:06:10 jonas’ I, too, am happy with the result, but I’m not with (nearly) burning out all CS editors
16:06:17 jonas’ I, too, am happy with the result, but I’m not with (nearly) burning out all CS editors/authors
16:06:46 Dave Cridland So, for the record, a unanimous decision to move CS-2020 to Draft.
16:06:50 Link Mauve \o/
16:06:55 Ge0rG I must admit, there was a period of some days after I started work on 423, where I felt burned out as well.
16:07:00 Dave Cridland 4) Next Meeting
16:07:13 Link Mauve Next week Wednesday as usual?
16:07:21 Link Mauve 16:00Z
16:07:31 Ge0rG +1 for next Wednesday
16:07:45 jonas’ wfm
16:08:14 Dave Cridland Yes, I think so. I'd note that if there is anything to vote now, we'll have to either be able to vote immediately or it'll have to be re-raised by the next Council.
16:08:20 Dave Cridland 5) AOB
16:09:18 jonas’ none from me
16:09:24 Link Mauve None from me either.
16:09:30 Dave Cridland Other than saying how pleased I am to see lots of candidates for Board and Council, nothing from me.
16:10:16 Dave Cridland OK.
16:10:22 Dave Cridland 6) Ite, Meeting Est
16:10:27 Dave Cridland Thanks all.
16:10:30 Link Mauve Thanks all for this exceptional meeting!
16:10:42 jonas’ thanks Dave et al.
16:10:50 jonas’ this was a good move indeed
16:10:56 jonas’ pep., do you want to do the honours?
16:11:00 pep. sure
16:11:07 jonas’ :)
16:11:18 pep. Dave Cridland, what was wrong from not having this meeting and putting it on list? Council members "just" needed to react quickly and not two weeks after :)
16:11:47 Kev Meetings focus the mind, sometimes. We could have onlisted, but this way worked, so ... :)
16:11:51 jonas’ pep., yesterday there was no version to vote on yet
16:11:56 Ge0rG pep.: the Last Call technically only ended last night, and there was the pending PR
16:12:01 jonas’ so there had to be a meeting which started the vote
16:12:08 pep. Ge0rG, ok
16:12:11 jonas’ it was a lucky accident that everyone voted in the meeting and not on-list
16:12:18 Kev We could have started the vote yesterday, on 'whatever version is published tomorrow morning', and all on-listed, but ... this way was better, I think.
16:12:27 Kev Even if I'm not a fan of extra meetings I have to attend :)
16:12:52 Dave Cridland Me neither, but I'm not a fan of starting a vote on a version that's unpublished just for the purpose of ensuring a timetable.
16:13:02 Kev jonas’: I think 'lucky accident' is understating the effort people put in (mostly Ge0rG) to make sure it could happen.
16:13:56 Ge0rG Kev: it was a kind of lucky accident nevertheless, because my calculation of the moment when to submit the XEP was off by two weeks.
16:15:07 jonas’ Kev, sorry, yes
16:15:14 jonas’ I didn’t mean to diminish that
16:15:36 jonas’ I was looking at it from a concurrency architectural perspective, where a certain sequence of events is almost always an accident
16:15:42 jonas’ I’m too deep in concurrent code at the moment
16:17:49 pep. hmm, I have no minutes to link to yet.
16:17:57 pep. I guess I'll just state that
16:18:13 jonas’ pep., you can link to the logs of this room
16:18:25 Kev Linking to minutes is a very recent thing and is just a nicety, I think. There's nothing requiring it.
16:18:35 pep. Kev, sure
16:18:38 Kev (Assuming you mean referencing when it was approved by Council)
16:18:50 pep. yes
16:18:56 Kev I mean, I think it's a /good/ nicety, but if it's proving an issue here...
16:19:25 pep. Just makes it easier to check back what happened when/why
16:26:06 Kev Yes, I think it's a good thing.
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