XSF logo XMPP Council - 2020-01-29


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  10. moparisthebest jonas’: re xeps ready for draft https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0225.html as far as I know is implemented in every server since forever?
  11. moparisthebest (sorry for not responding to email, still missing half of them due to mailing list setup...)
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  36. flow moparisthebest, last time I checked (which was years ago) xep114 was implemented everywhere, but xep225 not
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  40. Zash moparisthebest: what flow said. I wasn't aware it was implemented at all
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  46. jonas’ moparisthebest, sorry, please respond to the email
  47. jonas’ I’ll lose this information until the afternoon
  48. jonas’ moparisthebest, oh, also, no, 114 is implemented, 225 is most certainly not
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  59. Zash Someone claimed ejabberd does it
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  67. Kev It might be implemented in some places, but I don't think it's widely deployed.
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  88. Wojtek moparisthebest: regarding XEP-0225 - Tigase supports it
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  130. jonas’ FYI, I updated the Spreadsheet Of Doom with the LC/CFE suggestions from the mailing list
  131. jonas’ I forgot to put that on the agenda for today though
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  143. daniel it's time
  144. daniel let's hope my internet is stable
  145. Zash !
  146. jonas’ time!
  147. jonas’ 1) Roll Call
  148. daniel i’m here
  149. Zash Here
  150. jonas’ dwd apparently didn’t make it
  151. jonas’ Ge0rG?
  152. Zash Going to get up and leave $work in exactly 30 minutes
  153. Ge0rG Sorry, I'm lagged
  154. jonas’ 2) Agenda Bashing - I note that I forgot about that we asked for XEPs to LC/CFE on the list and that we should probably take one of those to advance - There’s also the LC on XEP-0363 which expired yesterday, so we should vote on that
  155. jonas’ anything else?
  156. daniel no
  157. jonas’ 3) Items for a vote
  158. jonas’ 3a) Vote on Advancing XEP-0363 to Draft
  159. daniel +1
  160. jonas’ +1
  161. Zash +1
  162. jonas’ URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0363.html Abstract: This specification defines a protocol to request permissions from another entity to upload a file to a specific path on an HTTP server and at the same time receive a URL from which that file can later be downloaded again.
  163. Ge0rG I hate the XEP and the fact that we are breaking out from XMPP into HTTP. +1
  164. jonas’ best +1 vote I’ve seen so far ;)
  165. jonas’ moving on
  166. jonas’ 3b-ish) We have a bunch of XEPs the community asked us to consider for advancement
  167. jonas’ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANu9KGmNf2r-qpLYqF7NdJTtqA1GIu55rf2deKbM0GA/edit?ts=5de7debe#gid=1654933626
  168. daniel i think bookmarks 2 is a good candidate
  169. jonas’ I don’t think it is
  170. daniel why?
  171. jonas’ but maybe I’m wrong
  172. jonas’ ah, now I understood your comment ("does not need implementations")
  173. jonas’ makes more sense now (this was about the process)
  174. jonas’ issuing an LC is probably a good idea
  175. jonas’ so that’s one, does anyone else have a suggestion which to pick?
  176. jonas’ I’d not issue more than two LCs this week
  177. daniel ack
  178. daniel on the not more than 1
  179. jonas’ I’d propose a CFE on XEP-0198
  180. daniel ideally i'd even limit to 1 until we we have a steady thing going
  181. jonas’ we can do that, too
  182. jonas’ since we’re not even complete today and it’s fosdem-week, we should start slow maybe
  183. jonas’ okay, so:
  184. jonas’ 3b) Vote on issuing an LC for XEP-0402: Bookmarks 2 (This Time it’s Serious)
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  187. jonas’ 3b) Vote on issuing an LC for XEP-0402: Bookmarks 2 (This Time it’s Serious) URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html Abstract: This specification defines a syntax and storage profile for keeping a list of chatroom bookmarks on the server.
  188. jonas’ +1 for LC
  189. daniel that being said cfe on 198 is probably a good idea. but maybe for next week
  190. daniel +1
  191. Zash +1
  192. dwd Evening folks.
  193. jonas’ oh, a delayed dwd
  194. jonas’ you can probably catch up on things while Ge0rGs connection is still doing the same
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  196. Ge0rG I'm on a throttled connection and can't open any web application right now.
  197. Ge0rG +1 on max=1
  198. Ge0rG +1 for LC, but I'm not sure it's mature (read: "old") enough yet
  199. Ge0rG Wow, that was laaaag.
  200. jonas’ Ge0rG, noted, thanks
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  202. Zash Ge0rG, so you have LC feedback to post then :)
  203. daniel well we have 3 (non public) implementations. it certainly has some maturity
  204. dwd +1 on LC for 402.
  205. dwd (I don't know what 3a was)
  206. daniel non public == not in production
  207. Ge0rG IIRC there were shortcomings regarding legacy compatibility, that needed sorting out (or at least me realizing that they got sorted out)
  208. jonas’ dwd, 3a was advance XEP-0363 after the LC expired yesterday
  209. Ge0rG but this is not blocking the LC
  210. jonas’ dwd, 3a was advance XEP-0363 (HTTP Upload) after the LC expired yesterday
  211. daniel yeah i mean that what LC is for. figguring that out
  212. daniel but personally i'm also confident about backward compat
  213. daniel (might need to be spelled out a little more)
  214. Ge0rG I'd welcome that
  215. dwd OK. I'll have to on-list the advance, but expecting to +1.
  216. jonas’ dwd, alright, thanks
  217. jonas’ 4) Outstanding Votes
  218. jonas’ those were all cleared before the meeting, good job everyone!
  219. jonas’ 5) Date of Next
  220. Zash \o/
  221. jonas’ +1w wfm
  222. Zash same
  223. jonas’ though timing will be tight for me, I’ll have to leave on time
  224. Zash If it's 30 minutes later I can get home even if I stay at work
  225. Zash as in, stay until 16:00Z
  226. jonas’ later wouldn’t work for me
  227. jonas’ (that’s what I was trying to say, but I probably worded it badly?)
  228. jonas’ moving on, in the hopes that it won’t just be the two of us next week
  229. daniel +1 w works for me. but i'm fine with what ever
  230. dwd +1w WFM2, BTW.
  231. jonas’ !
  232. jonas’ 6) AOB
  233. Zash None
  234. dwd jonas’, *waves*
  235. jonas’ it’s quite unfair that now that we’ve got plenty of time left, Ge0rG is on a slow connection and probably doesn’t want to bring up his eternal AOB
  236. jonas’ hands dwd the mic
  237. dwd jonas’, Traditions must be kept, though.
  238. dwd jonas’First, thanks for processing those XEPs.
  239. jonas’ I hope you like the number
  240. jonas’ I hope you like the numbers
  241. dwd jonas’, Second, I have an inbound patch for XEP-0431 (full text search), since Matt and Kev cornered me in St Pancras and argued that the beer requirement is an encumbrance; I'll correct that with some speed.
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  243. dwd And as a general note, I'm aware there's a lot of unaddressed comments, and agreements to change things piling up - I'll get there soon.
  244. jonas’ looking forward to it :)
  245. Ge0rG +1w looks good enough
  246. Ge0rG jonas’: I'll type in my eternal AOB now so that it arrives in the MUC when dwd is done
  247. jonas’ dwd, anything else?
  248. Zash I'm walking to the bus now
  249. jonas’ (I don’t get typing notifications on this client)
  250. dwd Nothing more.
  251. jonas’ thanks
  252. jonas’ so until Ge0rGs eternal AOB arrives, I have a small AOB
  253. jonas’ 1. Thanks that we made it to a complete meeting on Summit travel day and even got a vote passed, that’s amazing!
  254. jonas’ 2. Have a nice summit everyone who’s there, I’ll be attending remotely tomorrow if they don’t cut the power for too long, so there’s that :)
  255. dwd (My apologies for not having got my shit together with HTTP Upload).
  256. daniel Thank you jonas’
  257. jonas’ dwd, my apologies for not having it announced in the agenda in advance ;)
  258. jonas’ so, shall we wait for Ge0rGs eternal AOB to arrive just before the end of meeting time, or close right now? ;)
  259. daniel packing up my notebook since i'm arriving asap
  260. jonas’ alright
  261. jonas’ 7) Ite Meeting Est
  262. jonas’ thanks everyone, save travels
  263. jonas’ thanks everyone, safe travels
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  266. Zash Thanks jonas’
  267. dwd jonas’, FYI, I have the branch done for XEP-0431 but my security token is out of reach, so I can't create the PR...
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  269. jonas’ dwd, you can send patches via email to editor@, too ;)
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  271. Ge0rG jonas’: please close
  272. jonas’ (make sure there’s a XEP number in the subject tho)
  273. jonas’ Ge0rG, I love your lag
  274. Ge0rG jonas’: I don't
  275. jonas’ Ge0rG, why, it’s just close to 3 minutes ;)
  276. Ge0rG wow, that was fast!
  277. jonas’ probably because we don’t do as much traffic now
  278. jonas’ I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a factor, with the typing notifications and stuff flying around in addition to the actual payloads
  279. Ge0rG Heh.
  280. Ge0rG Maybe it's also because I closed the google docs tab five minutes ago
  281. jonas’ oh, yeah
  282. jonas’ why did you even open that one
  283. jonas’ it was just informational
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  285. Ge0rG jonas’: it looked like you referenced it as a source of things to vote on
  286. jonas’ Ge0rG, yeah, but not a mandatory source; I didn’t intend to vote on *all* those.
  287. jonas’ sorry if that was unclear
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