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XEP Editor Team — logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/editor/

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[15:42:33] <moparisthebest> friendly poke for any available editor to issue XEP-0368 call for experience :)
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[15:51:57] <jonasw> moparisthebest, I’m still not sure on how the process works, sorry.
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[15:52:47] <jonasw> moparisthebest, but I’ll give it a shot now anyways
[15:53:23] <moparisthebest> jonasw, I don't think anyone is, how about just an email like "Subject: Call for Experience: XEP-0368" "The council is going to consider moving this to final and is looking for feedback" or something
[15:53:26] <moparisthebest> I'm bad with words :)
[15:53:39] <jonasw> I can’t simply say council is going to do anything unless council said so
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[15:55:11] <moparisthebest> that's what xep-0001 says though
[15:55:39] <jonasw> XEP-0001 says that the editor (without specifying what triggers this) issues a CFE *before* the XEP is laid before council for advancement.
[15:55:58] <jonasw> there’s nothing in XEP-0001 (I thnik, point me to it if I’m wrong) which says that council MUST look at something which has been CFE’d
[15:56:01] <moparisthebest> right, that's what I'm looking to get to happen
[15:56:23] <jonasw> I’m still trying to figure out what stops me from issuing CFEs for all (old enough) Draft XEPs at once
[15:56:25] <moparisthebest> oh yea, but it'll be presented to them at least 14 days after anyway
[15:56:29] <jonasw> it seems fishy :)
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[15:59:32] <jonasw> anyways, let’s give this a shot
[15:59:35] <moparisthebest> yea jonasw I'm just trying to push it towards final I only know what xep-1 says and it seems like next step is for editor to send email so :shrug: :)
[15:59:37] <jonasw> somebody will complain if we did anything wrong
[16:00:01] <moparisthebest> that's kind of what I figured, if it's wrong, xep-1 should be clarified
[16:00:06] <jonasw> you’re the author, right?
[16:00:14] <moparisthebest> yep
[16:00:21] <jonasw> okay
[16:01:04] <jonasw> there you go, email sent (will take a minute or two to propagate through the list)
[16:01:18] <moparisthebest> thanks much
[16:01:33] <jonasw> will also comment on it once the mail got through, I actually implemented it.
[16:02:35] <moparisthebest> oh yea in your client, library, or both?
[16:02:45] <jonasw> library
[16:02:52] <jonasw> (from which follows, client)
[16:03:00] <jonasw> (I didn’t bother with implementing an off switch)
[16:04:05] <moparisthebest> yea I was going to try to pull up all implementations I know about in a mail later
[16:04:25] <moparisthebest> dwd said he implemented it in a server, it's the only s2s implementation I know of, there are a few client ones iirc
[16:04:35] <moparisthebest> it's arguably much more useful for clients
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[16:11:28] <jonasw> there you go
[16:17:22] <moparisthebest> thanks
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[17:16:53] <Guus> 368 appendix A - Short Name: NOT_YET_ASSIGNED ... If this is going from draft to final, it's likely never getting one?
[17:17:07] <Guus> (perhaps simply remove that line?)
[17:21:27] <Guus> also, section 4 starts with a undefined referal: "this provides". It being the start of a paragraph titled "Use Cases", makes it unclear if 'this' refers to the entire XEP, or rather the ALPN description in the previous paragraph. I'd reword it slightly.
[17:21:57] <SamWhited> I think the council assigns a short name when it goes to draft or final.
[17:22:11] <Guus> in unrelated news: I'm going to have a beautiful bike shed. Been working on its plans for years.
[17:25:00] <Guus> xep-0053 suggests short names can be assigned as early as when a xep is published as experimental: "When a XEP is first published in the Experimental state, the XMPP Registrar shall work with the author(s) to mint an appropriate namespace name, which shall be of the form "urn:xmpp:ShortName:0" or, where appropriate, "urn:xmpp:ShortName:SubName:0"
[17:25:44] <Guus> I don't care to much, by the way. I just thought the 'yet' part was misplaced in something that's about to be 'final'
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