Monday, December 06, 2010
interop@muc.xmpp.org
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http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Verify | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Interop

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[09:31:40] <Kev> Blah?
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[09:33:01] <Dave Cridland> Blah!
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[09:38:05] *** Tobias changed the title to "Interop Stuff"
[09:38:17] <Dave Cridland> Anyone know if there's a mailing list for this as well?
[09:39:17] <Tobias> http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/interop this one maybe? but i don't know who is subscribed there
[09:41:03] <Kev> Well, interestingly, I don't have the password for that list.
[09:41:19] <Kev> This suggests it's not been used recently.
[09:42:35] <Tobias> but there're messages in the archive
[09:42:58] <Tobias> though one year idle
[09:43:26] <Dave Cridland> Kev, I assume you're wearing an iteam/XSF hat for this?
[09:43:42] <Kev> Predominantly.
[09:43:55] <Kev> I have other hats available if it gets cold.
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[09:48:17] <Kev> Ok, I've mangled control of the interop mailing list as well, now.
[09:48:56] <Kev> I suggest that people who aren't on that list yet make it so.
[09:49:14] <Dave Cridland> interop@xmpp.org?
[09:49:18] <Kev> r
[09:49:28] <Kev> http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/interop
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[09:56:33] <Dave Cridland> So what do we need in terms of client accounts, DNS, and certificates, then?
[09:56:39] <Dave Cridland> Aside from someone to run the CA?
[09:56:52] <Kev> You tell me, I'm just here to do what I'm told.
[09:56:56] <Kev> (Or, rather to ask the iteam to)
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[10:01:43] <Dave Cridland> OK, updated the wiki page with this and the mailing list.
[10:02:20] <Tobias> something in the topic would be nice too, maybe a pointer to the wiki page
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[10:04:17] <fippo> ok... how do we get certs? Shall we send CSRs or is it easier if you generate privkeys and certs for a given hostname?
[10:05:08] <Kev> fippo: Matt's volunteered to run the CA for the week, so I think we need him to appear first :)
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[10:08:40] <remko> will the certificates used in the interop be made available somewhere for later use (or regression testing?)
[10:09:04] <remko> s/or/e.g./
[10:10:32] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Given what Isode is giving Matt, I don't think it makes any difference whether he generates the CSR/PKEY pair you you do.
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[10:12:56] <remko> scary green man: will there be 'meeting minutes' of this week? I.e. what was tested etc.
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[10:19:53] <Florian> morning gents.
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[10:21:46] <tuomas@xmpp.lobstermonster.org> admin@im.flosoft.biz: Morning!
[10:21:48] *** Flo shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"
[10:23:28] <Florian> soo ... I'm ready to add the vhosts ...
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[10:35:48] <dbanes> surprise - I'm in the UK for a while now so time zones a bit easier than when I was in Sydney
[10:36:01] <Dave Cridland> remko, Should do that, shouldn't we?
[10:36:25] <remko> should yes
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[10:36:59] <Florian> dbanes: so you're also freezing to death?
[10:37:22] <dbanes> yes, that's the down side
[10:37:31] <dbanes> arriving at Heathrow in shorts was not a good idea :)
[10:37:36] <Florian> haha
[10:37:40] <Kev> On the upside, it's a once in a lifetime experience.
[10:41:32] <Flo> Hopefully, anyway.
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[10:41:44] <Kev> Freezing to death? The odds are good, I'd say.
[10:42:00] <Florian> indeed. I froze on my way up the hill to campus
[10:42:06] <Flo> arriving at Heathrow in shorts :)
[10:42:37] <Florian> well ... on the other hand... the Finns jump into snow after the sauna too
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[11:10:15] <Dave Cridland> Client folk - any of you have SCRAM-SHA1-PLUS coded?
[11:11:12] <Florian> lol ... I think that's a no :)
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[11:12:47] <Dave Cridland> Well... Server folk, then? (I've two clients and a server).
[11:15:29] <Dave Cridland> Aw... Ah, well.
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[11:16:43] <Florian> hehe
[11:16:44] <waqas> Dave Cridland: Which is the other client?
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[11:17:41] <Dave Cridland> waqas, Well, We-Isode has a CMU SASL fork which now has channel binding. I also have Polymer, which has had it since, erm, last year or something silly.
[11:18:23] <Dave Cridland> waqas, And yes, Polymer *is* a mail client, and quite why it happens to have a small XMPP library in it really is anyone's guess.
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[11:21:54] <waqas> Dave Cridland: Perhaps we need a new version of Zawinski's Law.
[11:22:25] <Dave Cridland> waqas, This is Zawinski is reverse, though.
[11:22:30] <Dave Cridland> in reverse.
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[11:24:35] <Florian> what's Zawinski's law?
[11:24:46] <Florian> (sorry ... can't access the web for some reason atm :/)
[11:25:08] *** Flo shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:25:28] <Florian> actually .. DNS is down
[11:25:52] <Dave Cridland> As I recall, every software project grows until it can read mail.
[11:25:57] <waqas> Florian: All software evolves until it can real mail
[11:26:00] <Kev> Every application will continue to expand until it has a mail reader, or such, I think.
[11:26:06] <waqas> *read
[11:26:32] <Florian> right :)
[11:26:34] <Florian> thanks for that :)
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[11:27:10] <waqas> Hmm, Prosody has a mail sending extension, though not a reading one :)
[11:27:22] <Kev> That's ok, just run it backwards.
[11:27:27] <Kev> Reverse the polarity!
[11:29:00] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Do you have access to the domain name's DNS , BTW?
[11:29:10] <waqas> How many server projects have shown interest in the interop event? The last I remember was three.
[11:29:12] <Dave Cridland> Kev, If so, we could start setting up that.
[11:29:29] <Dave Cridland> waqas, Wiki page has 5.
[11:29:31] <Kev> I have access to everything. I may not have the inclination to touch it, but I have access. I can also poke appropriate people.
[11:29:40] *waqas finds the wiki page
[11:29:50] <Dave Cridland> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Interop
[11:29:58] <waqas> Thanks
[11:30:21] *** Dave Cridland changed the title to "XSF Interop 2010 - http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Interop"
[11:30:46] <Dave Cridland> Ah. I was going to change the subject, but that seems not to work.
[11:31:02] <Florian> hehe
[11:31:06] <Kev> I thought I was an admin on this service, but I'm not sure with which account :)
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[11:32:09] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Well, I think it might count as an interop failure, but I don't know if Gajim normally disables that control if it detects it can't change the subject.
[11:32:23] <Florian> :)
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[11:32:29] <Kev> Ah, with this account, even. It just doesn't make me a superuser in MUCs :(
[11:32:30] <Florian> don't tell me :)
[11:32:31] *** Flo shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:32:35] <Florian> I use Psi
[11:33:49] <waqas> Kev: Server admins don't automatically become room moderators in the version of Prosody running here sadly
[11:33:59] <waqas> Florian: Did Tigase support SASL EXTERNAL for s2s?
[11:35:02] <Florian> not sure ... inquiring ...
[11:35:12] <Florian> don't think so though
[11:35:23] <Florian> at least it didn't a while back
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[11:45:56] <Dave Cridland> So, we need domains first of all. What's the domain we're using again?
[11:46:24] <Kev> xmpptest.something, I believe.
[11:46:31] <Kev> I'll look into this now.
[11:46:45] <bear> I was just sending email about that?
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[11:46:58] <Dave Cridland> bear, Ah, morning!
[11:47:14] <bear> I am up late (or very early - either works)
[11:47:41] <bear> I can give kev my service password if that speeds things up
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[11:48:00] <Kev> bear: You've already transferred the DNS server entries over to the XSF haven't you?
[11:48:14] <bear> you mean nameserver entry?
[11:48:25] <Kev> I've not been following this, but I'm aware the XSF nameservers are willing to answer for it now.
[11:48:29] <Kev> I do.
[11:48:37] <bear> let me double check
[11:48:57] <bear> poo - style showing wrong - what is ns1 and ns2 for xmpp?
[11:48:59] <bear> i'll change it now
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[11:50:51] <Kev> bear: I need intosi to reappear before I can answer that.
[11:51:18] <Florian> i only run ns3
[11:51:26] <bear> let me dig it up (/me brushes off his ops toolset)
[11:51:37] <Florian> we need to change it on ns1
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[11:51:55] <Florian> athena.jabber.org
[11:52:00] <Kev> Oh, I can tell you what the NS are (ns1/ns2/ns3).jabber.org and ns.mons.net, I'm just wondering what it makes most sense for you to add :)
[11:52:15] <Kev> Florian: Are you sure? I didn't believe that was true.
[11:52:23] <Florian> oh?
[11:52:45] *** Jonas shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[11:52:46] <Florian> ns1 is athena.
ns2 is ds0039
ns3 is sdns1
[11:52:51] <Kev> Indeed.
[11:53:10] <Kev> I believe, however, that we have a hidden master.
[11:53:17] <Florian> ooh, right
[11:53:35] <Florian> where was that though?
[11:53:45] <Kev> That's what I'm trying to work out at the moment.
[11:53:50] <Kev> Unless Edwin reappears before I find it :)
[11:54:18] <Kev> Ok, gottit.
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[11:56:08] <bear> so ns1.jabber.org and ns?.jabber.org ??
[11:56:18] <Florian> ns2 and ns3 are slaves
[11:56:21] <bear> or be patient and let kev work?
[11:56:24] <Kev> As is ns1
[11:56:35] <Florian> right ... but ns3 is a slave off ns2
[11:56:43] <Kev> bear: I believe just duplicating the entry for xmpp.org is fine.
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[11:56:58] <Kev> i.e. ns1.jabber.org ns2.jabber.org ns3.jabber.org and ns1.mons.net
[11:57:19] <bear> k
[11:57:21] <Florian> brb ...
[11:57:27] <Florian> no MUC on the N900 :(
[11:58:47] <bear> done
[11:59:00] <Kev> Thanks bear.
[11:59:24] <bear> np - i'll be online after I handover last weeks work to my team
[11:59:32] <bear> technically I have today and tomorrow off
[11:59:49] *bear goes to take a nap
[11:59:57] <Kev> Thanks bear, nn.
[12:00:15] <bear> please do call my cell if anything is urgent +1 215 680 1747
[12:00:22] *bear relurks
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[12:04:47] <Kev> Ok, so, anyone have a machine ready that they'd like to tell me about?
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[12:07:44] <Dave Cridland> Kev, You can setup M-Link trunk on p.d.c.n if you want.
[12:07:58] <Kev> Ok, I'm setting up r146 at teh moment.
[12:08:56] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Most details for twhat's needed are on the Wiki page, but not what domains we'll be using.
[12:09:15] <Dave Cridland> Kev, So if you can pick those, I can update the wiki page with them as we can get our servers setup and ready.
[12:09:46] <Kev> Well, keep in mind that I'm configuring bind on a domain for the first time ever, so this may go badly wrong :)
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[12:14:38] <Dave Cridland> Unless anyone has objections, I'm going to run through the clients and assign them each a username and password pair, that the server guys can then put in for each of their supported domains (when we get those).
[12:14:53] <Kev> GFI.
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[12:18:10] <Dave Cridland> Done.
[12:18:55] <Dave Cridland> Simon Josefsson, Hey. We have SCRAM-SHA1-PLUS, if you want to interop test yours while we're here.
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[12:21:10] <Tobias> Simon Josefsson: you know of a XMPP client using gsasl and that support scram-sha1-plus?
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[12:21:53] <Dave Cridland> Tobias, (FWIW, I can do both server and both clients on IMAP at least, as well)
[12:22:09] <Florian> ok ... I seem to be missing the participant list
[12:22:31] <Dave Cridland> Florian, In the MUC?
[12:22:49] <Florian> yeh
[12:22:53] <Florian> after the reconnect
[12:23:13] <Florian> switch to useless paranoia mode
[12:25:23] <Tobias> Dave Cridland: but i'm not active in IMAP server projects ;)
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[12:27:47] <Dave Cridland> Tobias, Yeah, but it means I can do interop tests with Simon's implementation.
[12:28:01] <Kev> Florian: Which machine is ns3, did you think?
[12:28:13] <Florian> ns3 is sdns.flosoft-servers.net
[12:28:20] <Florian> it's slaved off of ns2
[12:28:20] <Kev> ns1,ns2 and ns1.mons all seem to be fine, but ns3 doesn't seem to be set up for xmpptest.com
[12:28:27] <Florian> ah
[12:28:32] <Florian> let me check
[12:29:27] <Tobias> Dave Cridland: good ;)
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[12:31:31] <Florian> xmpptest.com 2010-11-12 16:31:24 91.121.109.155 ACTIVE
[12:32:01] <Florian> it might take a bit to propagate
[12:32:35] <Florian> it's not on ns2 either?
[12:32:48] <Florian> Homer:~ florian$ dig A xmpptest.com @ns2.jabber.org

; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> A xmpptest.com @ns2.jabber.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40305
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xmpptest.com. IN A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
xmpptest.com. 3600 IN SOA xmpp.org. hostmaster.xmpp.org. 2010120602 14400 3600 604800 43200

;; Query time: 16 msec
;; SERVER: 91.121.109.155#53(91.121.109.155)
;; WHEN: Mon Dec 6 12:30:20 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 85

[12:34:23] <Florian> nor on ns1?
[12:35:07] <Kev> We don't want an A record, do we?
[12:35:29] <Kev> dig @athena.jabber.org -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.rooms.mlinkrelease.xmpptest.com
[12:37:25] <Florian> yeah, in that case ... ns3 needs some more time
[12:37:40] <Florian> ah
[12:37:43] <Florian> actually
[12:37:50] <Florian> it's not in the authority section
[12:38:34] <Florian> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
xmpptest.com. 3600 IN NS ns2.jabber.org.
xmpptest.com. 3600 IN NS ns1.mons.net.
xmpptest.com. 3600 IN NS ns1.jabber.org.

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[12:41:25] <Kev> Ah, fine then :)
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[12:44:33] <Kev> Florian: You're running the Tigase server aren't you?
[12:45:01] <Kev> If so, what machine is it running on, and what ports, please?
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[12:45:24] <Kev> Then I'll set up tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com and rooms.tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com to point to you.
[12:45:35] <Florian> ok
[12:45:37] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Have you done Prosody and ejabberd?
[12:45:39] <Kev> waqas: Similar question for you and Prosody - is it idev.prosody.im you want?
[12:45:54] <Florian> here's a guide :D
[12:45:54] <Florian> http://jabber.me/2010/04/use-your-own-domain/
[12:46:07] <Florian> tigase.me.
[12:46:11] <Florian> is the host
[12:46:36] <Kev> Dave Cridland: No, I'm working on them now.
[12:46:41] <Kev> Patience, patience.
[12:47:56] <fippo> weren't we supposed to do dns on our own? (at least i've already done that :-)
[12:48:31] <waqas> Kev: dev, not idev
[12:48:36] <Florian> Operation successful.
There is no DNS settings for given host: tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com
[12:48:46] <Florian> that's quite cool ... the vhost manager now even tests DNS :)
[12:49:50] <Kev> waqas: Is this prosody trunk or prosody release?
[12:50:57] <Dave Cridland> !version mlinktrunk.xmpptest.com
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[12:51:18] <Florian> I guess no DNS yet :)
[12:51:58] *** Simon Josefsson shows as "online"
[12:52:17] <waqas> Kev: unreleased 0.8, which is an older trunk
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[12:53:33] <Kev> Ok, I think that's prosody (prosody8/rooms.prosody8), ejabberd (ejabberd21/rooms.ejabberd21) and tigase (tigasetrunk/rooms.tigasetrunk) .xmpptest.com set up.
[12:53:48] <Kev> That just leaves psyced, I think.
[12:54:40] <Kev> fippo: What host do you want psyced.xmpptest.com to point to?
[12:56:30] <Kev> Florian / badlop / waqas: There you go, you have domains pointing to you. Please check they look right with e.g. dig @athena.jabber.org -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com so we can avoid getting incorrect entries cached all over the place :)
[12:57:10] <Florian> looks fine to me
[12:57:50] <waqas> Looks fine
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[12:58:46] <Kev> tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com looks fine, rooms.tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com doesn't.
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[12:59:37] <Florian> I need to get access to the domain first
[13:00:40] <fippo> kev: I need psyced-db (port 5266), psyced-sasl (port 5267) and psyced-dwd (port 5268) each pointing to lo.symlynx.com
[13:01:18] <Kev> Is that for both the domain and the rooms subdomain?
[13:01:43] <Florian> ah
[13:01:51] <Florian> it's muc.tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com
[13:02:21] <fippo> no rooms subdomain - we are old irc people, we love prefixes :-)
[13:02:38] <Florian> need to see if I can change that ...
[13:02:47] <Florian> !version tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com
[13:02:56] <Kanchil> Florian: tigasetrunk.xmpptest.com is running Tigase version 5.1.0-b2452 on Linux-amd64-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-64, Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM-16.3-b01-Sun Microsystems Inc.
[13:03:05] *Dave Cridland looks at mlinktrunk.
[13:03:18] <Dave Cridland> I didn't actually mean to include that patch. Harrumph.
[13:03:45] <Kev> Florian: Tigase doesn't work unless it's got a 'muc' subdomain?
[13:04:03] <Florian> it works ... but this isn't that kind of tigase
[13:04:08] <Florian> it's the new one
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[13:04:15] <Florian> with the massive vhost tools
[13:04:25] <Florian> as we run 40 or so hosts off of it
[13:04:39] <Florian> so the tool automatically sets it up with muc.domain
[13:05:14] <Kev> You now have muc instead.
[13:05:22] <Kev> fippo: you may have what you asked for, please check.
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[13:05:29] <Florian> ah cool :)
[13:05:37] <Florian> was just browsing the config
[13:05:51] <Kev> fippo: No you don't, let me fix.
[13:06:23] <Kev> fippo: Now you should.
[13:06:51] <Kev> Florian: If it's an easy fix, I'd rather have rooms. for everyone with a conference component, just because it shows they're not hardcoded to the usual muc. or conference.
[13:07:01] <Florian> right
[13:07:04] <Kev> (Yes, I know of clients that hard-code to only support conference.domain, for example)
[13:07:06] <Florian> I'll inquire :)
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[13:07:29] <fippo> kev: works - thanks
[13:07:41] <Kev> Fab.
[13:07:53] <Kev> Florian: I've set up both muc. and rooms. now, so if you get it working, it should just work.
[13:08:36] <Florian> cools :)
[13:09:45] <Kev> Ok, so I think everyone who was offering a server has the server in DNS now.
[13:09:56] <Kev> Next jobs will be getting certs for them all, when Matt appears :)
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[13:10:25] <Florian> :)
[13:11:29] <Kanchil> Dave Cridland: mlinktrunk.xmpptest.com can't be reached via XMPP
[13:12:00] <Dave Cridland> Kanchil, Speedy response, there. :-)
[13:12:17] <Florian> soo ... tigase.im currently has 238 users
[13:12:19] <Dave Cridland> !version mlinktrunk.xmpptest.com
[13:12:20] <Florian> let's break 10k :)
[13:12:27] <Kanchil> Dave Cridland: mlinktrunk.xmpptest.com is running Isode M-Link version 15.0a0 on ZX Spectrum 48K
[13:12:32] <Dave Cridland> Excellent.
[13:12:55] <Dave Cridland> !version mlinkrelease.xmpptest.com
[13:12:55] <Kanchil> Dave Cridland: mlinkrelease.xmpptest.com is running Isode M-Link version 14.6v4 on an unknown platform
[13:13:06] <Kev> Maybe I should upgrade this to the newest release :)
[13:13:34] <Dave Cridland> Kev, No significant changes, are there?
[13:13:43] <Kev> I don't remember.
[13:15:27] <Florian> what kind of platform is a ZX Spectrum 48K?
[13:15:29] <Dave Cridland> All client accounts are (or should be) setup ready on mlinktrunk, if people want to give those a try.
[13:15:52] <Dave Cridland> Florian, It's actually a 16K, but I didn't want to brag.
[13:15:59] <Florian> haha
[13:16:08] <Florian> the only bragging tool I have: http://cl.ly/0E1T1e0h2j0l3d0r3f0Y
[13:16:34] <Florian> yellow being im.flosoft.biz
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[13:28:30] <Dave Cridland> Righty. I can see everything on mlinkrelease from mlinktrunk. So yay, Isode M-Link trunk interops with Isode M-Link release.
[13:28:40] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Tigase is up too, right?
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[13:28:50] <Florian> yup
[13:28:52] <Florian> it's up
[13:29:24] <vt100> 'lo
[13:30:37] <vt100> !version jabber.ccc.de
[13:30:42] <Kanchil> vt100: jabber.ccc.de is running ejabberd version 2.1.5 on unix/linux 2.6.32
[13:40:13] <Kev> I've taken down mlinkrelease for a bit.
[13:41:39] <fippo> kev: can I have another dns record please? psyced6 pointing to xmppinterop01.dhbw-loerrach.de port 5269 (thanks vt100 :-)
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[13:45:05] <Kev> Should be done.
[13:45:55] <fippo> thanks
[13:46:20] <Dave Cridland> 12/ 6 13:43:14 xmppd 11021 (root ) D-MBOX-Auth closed originating s2s connection to domain ejabberd21.xmpptest.com [88.191.78.233] (host-unknown)

[13:46:32] <Dave Cridland> badlop, is this one set up yet?
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[13:52:02] <Kev> mlinkrelease is back up
[13:52:32] <Dave Cridland> After a chat with Kev, I've dropped the usernames and passwords off the Interop wiki page, we'll just have to ask as required.
[13:52:47] <Dave Cridland> In any case, server folk may need accounts on other people's servers anyway for testing.
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[13:54:27] <fippo> just ping the other server
[13:54:55] <fippo> even though that does not work when you want the other server to initiate the connection
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[13:55:08] <Dave Cridland> Yes, I suppose I ought to consider bidi, if you've got that up.
[13:55:12] <MattJ> brrrrr
[13:56:10] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, Indeed. Although nice and sunny, now. No sign of the ice melting, though.
[13:56:11] <fippo> depends on how fast mattj is :-)
[13:56:32] <MattJ> When I've defrosted, I'm fast - at what? :)
[13:57:12] <Kev> MattJ: CA duty :)
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[13:57:59] <Kev> If server devs want accounts on mlinkrelease as well, just poke me. I've created accounts for the clients, just waiting to be asked for details :)
[13:58:47] <MattJ> Where do I start with CA duty?
[13:59:03] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, Probably getting the CA software. One sec, I'll sort that out.
[13:59:12] <MattJ> thanks
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[14:01:38] <MattJ> do we have SRV records yet?
[14:01:45] <Dave Cridland> We do. And you do.
[14:01:50] <MattJ> Oh good
[14:01:54] <Dave Cridland> prosody8.xmpptest.com for you.
[14:02:12] <Kev> We explicitly only have SRV records, not A.
[14:02:13] <Dave Cridland> Not sure your end's set up yet. (Although I've not checked in a long while)
[14:02:26] <Kev> Perhaps I should set incorrect A records for each domain as well :)
[14:02:30] <MattJ> :)
[14:02:53] <fippo> Kev: on friday :-)
[14:04:19] <Dave Cridland> Yeah... Outright attempts to break things are fun, but let's get things working in sane environments first.
[14:04:52] <Dave Cridland> We will, however, need a small website somewhere, for the CRL DP. ca.xmpptest.com?
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[14:05:52] *** Flo shows as "online"
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[14:07:58] <Kev> Is it easiest if Matt runs that site, if he's controlling the CRL?
[14:08:06] <Dave Cridland> Probably.
[14:08:20] <Kev> MattJ: Are you capable of easily hosting a vhost to do this?
[14:08:30] <Dave Cridland> Although IIRC, Matt has access to XSF webservers, so I doubt it makes much difference.
[14:08:40] <MattJ> Sure, I don't mind
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[14:08:43] <Dave Cridland> It's just a file to copy about, anyway.
[14:08:43] <Kev> Other than me remembering to do cleanup after.
[14:08:57] <Kev> Yes, but doing it to the XSF machines requires him uploading, sudoing etc.
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[14:09:03] *** vt100 shows as "online" and his status message is "Ob sie hochkommt oder nicht /
sagt uns gleich das Nagios-Licht"

[14:09:14] <MattJ> point it to $(host prosody.im) if you like
[14:09:18] <Kev> MattJ: Up to you, I'll set up a vhost on athena if you'd rather.
[14:10:24] <Kev> I'm on my zonefile serial number 8 for the day.
[14:10:38] <Kev> MattJ: A record set up.
[14:10:47] <MattJ> Thanks
[14:12:58] <badlop> Dave Cridland: vhost added, now ejabberd21 should work
[14:13:06] <Kev> badlop: Thanks.
[14:13:31] <Kev> Hmm, mlinkrelease isn't happy.
[14:13:57] <Kev> Oh, because I'm stupid.
[14:14:02] <Dave Cridland> Kev, No? I may well have broken things. It is *very* trunk.
[14:14:06] <Kev> It's not ejabberd21.mlinkrelease.xmpptest.com :)
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[14:14:28] <Kev> So mlinkrelease and ejabberd21 are happily chatting.
[14:16:22] <Dave Cridland> Right, bit of trouble, had to restart Gajim for that.
[14:16:30] <Dave Cridland> But ejabberd21 and mlinktrunk are good.
[14:16:51] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, Is prosody8 up?
[14:16:54] <MattJ> Nearly
[14:17:05] <MattJ> Compiling OpenSSL, don't ask...
[14:18:26] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, I had to recompile pyOpenSSL this morning, after porting some patches from one hacked version to another, then kicking the Ubuntu packages violently out of the way.
[14:18:53] <MattJ> Sounds familiar
[14:19:18] <MattJ> Oh, 1.0.0c is out
[14:19:26] <MattJ> let's see if this builds any easier than 1.0.0b
[14:20:16] <Dave Cridland> I just love the way they encrypt their own documentation.
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[14:21:20] <fippo> dave: would be interesting how they document their verify callback behaviour :-)
[14:23:37] <MattJ> woohoo, they must have broken the build for 1.0.0b, a and c both work :/
[14:23:55] <fippo> dave: mlinktrunk is not showing a cert currently?
[14:24:49] <Dave Cridland> fippo, No cert at all?
[14:25:18] <fippo> ah no... problem on my side (at least it works with openssl)
[14:25:28] <Dave Cridland> fippo, I'd expect it to have the cridland.im one.
[14:26:30] <Kev> mlinkrelease should have the (expired) doomsong.co.uk one.
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[14:48:56] <Florian> and I'm back ... the OpenJDK VM decided to die
[14:49:10] <MattJ> :)
[14:50:17] <Florian> !version im.flosoft.biz
[14:50:24] <Kanchil> Florian: im.flosoft.biz can't be reached via XMPP
[14:50:28] <Florian> great :)
[14:50:50] <MattJ> Dave Cridland, does M-Link cache s2s failures?
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[14:51:03] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, Nope, shouldn't do.
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[14:53:27] <Florian> Dave Cridland: <Artur Hefczyc> unfortunately I am unable to spare any time for the interop week, still working hard on the tls for s2s, (no sasl external support yet and it is not planned soon)
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[15:03:34] <MattJ> !version prosody8.xmpptest.com
[15:03:38] <Kanchil> MattJ: prosody8.xmpptest.com is running Prosody version hg:c8fcd63e9526 on Linux
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[15:04:13] <MattJ> No idea what certs, but I'll hopefully be able to generate some soon
[15:04:57] <fippo> looks like a self-signed one
[15:05:22] <Florian> !version im.flosoft.biz
[15:05:28] <Kanchil> Florian: im.flosoft.biz is running Tigase version 5.1.0-b2457 on Linux-i386-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-32, OpenJDK Server VM-16.0-b13-Sun Microsystems Inc.
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[15:05:41] <Florian> !version jabber.me
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[15:05:43] *** darkrain shows as "online" and his status message is "I wish I could fly from this building, from this wall.
And if I should try, would you catch me if I fall?"

[15:05:48] <Kanchil> Florian: jabber.me can't be reached via XMPP
[15:05:58] <Florian> that's not right :/
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sagt uns gleich das Nagios-Licht"

[15:06:55] <vt100> heh
[15:07:03] <Dave Cridland> !version jabber.me
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[15:07:09] <Kanchil> Dave Cridland: jabber.me is running Tigase version 5.1.0-b2452 on Linux-amd64-2.6.34.6-xxxx-std-ipv6-64, Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM-16.3-b01-Sun Microsystems Inc.
[15:07:48] <vt100> quite verbose
[15:08:26] <Dave Cridland> vt100, And not nearly as cool as a ZX Spectrum, either.
[15:08:36] <vt100> Indeed.
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[15:11:55] <fippo> mattj: do you keep plaintext logs on prosody8? I just spotted an interesting failure, removed the rawlog and now I can not reproduce it :-/
[15:11:57] <vt100> Hm, speaking of Prosody, how's the v6 implementation of lua going?
[15:12:37] <MattJ> vt100, not yet begun - unless you want /only/ IPv6 :)
[15:13:22] <fippo> mattj: we might test /only/ IPv6 - then we know that it works at least and can take care of the 4/6 issues later :-)
[15:13:27] <MattJ> fippo, me? keep logs? I have several GB of them :)
[15:13:41] <vt100> MattJ: Bah. :)
[15:13:48] <Florian> :)
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[15:13:54] <MattJ> vt100, I can't do everything at once :)
[15:14:02] <Florian> well, tigase.me has an IPv6
[15:14:07] <MattJ> I judged s2s TLS as higher priority
[15:14:11] <vt100> MattJ: No offence :)
[15:14:35] <MattJ> which was the other thing the relevant Lua library was missing
[15:14:47] <MattJ> IPv6 should be a breeze in comparison
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[15:17:15] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Might want to note that Tigase is serving IPv6, too.
[15:17:25] <Dave Cridland> Florian, I mean on the Wiki page.
[15:18:27] <remko> oo, ipv6, i'ld like to test that too
[15:18:55] <Dave Cridland> remko, mlinktrunk does it as well.
[15:19:06] <remko> yeah, but it requires an ipv6 network i'm told
[15:19:15] <remko> i was hoping someone could test that for me :)
[15:19:19] <Dave Cridland> remko, Ah not got IPv6 at your end?
[15:19:24] <remko> no
[15:19:35] <remko> and i haven't the slightest clue how to set it up :)
[15:19:39] <Dave Cridland> remko, Hang on, I'll give it a spin. Assuming I can find a Swift build.
[15:19:52] <Dave Cridland> remko, Pretty easy - I'm using he.com's tunnel server.
[15:20:04] <remko> http://swift.im/releases/swift-1.0beta8/
[15:20:23] <Dave Cridland> remko, `cd ~/src/swift; git pull`
[15:20:31] <remko> that works :)
[15:20:33] <remko> he.com, huh
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[15:21:13] <remko> interesting, i'll look into that
[15:22:11] <vt100> he or sixxs
[15:22:22] <MattJ> OT, but "muahahaha" - Highways Agency alerts delivered via pubsub to desktop notifications (and no, I still don't drive)
[15:22:25] <Dave Cridland> vt100, sixxs if you happen to enjoy random firewalling.
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[15:22:39] <vt100> Dave Cridland: Or Theo de Rant like support.
[15:23:19] <Dave Cridland> vt100, I dropped sixxs and suffered the renumber when I discovered I could no longer talk to Gajim's servers.
[15:23:43] <Dave Cridland> vt100, I looked at the small print and figured that it was technically against the sixxs T&C to run an XMPP service.
[15:23:46] <vt100> Dave Cridland: I've got a sixxs tunnel at home, no problems so far.
[15:24:20] <vt100> Eh? Well, one of their admins is not too far from here, we share some mailing lists, I could ask him if there's trouble.
[15:26:06] <MattJ> Are the xmpptest records mirrored across all of ns1.jabber.org, ns2.jabber.org, ns1.mons.net?
[15:26:43] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, That was certainlt the intention.
[15:26:59] <MattJ> Just had a random DNS failure here, no records returned for a SRV query
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[15:31:16] <fippo> mattj: technically, you want to send a dialback error instead of a stream error - but even I don't do that yet :-)
[15:31:41] <MattJ> Agreed, it's added to my todo :)
[15:31:59] *Dave Cridland thinks we do.
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[15:33:20] <Dave Cridland> Oh. No rejoin.so I've desynced when isode.com crashed. (It's running a different "trunk" too at the moment)
[15:34:25] <fippo> dave: if you do, you don't announce it in stream features (at least not on release)
[15:34:50] <MattJ> http://conference.prosody.im:5280/pastebin/98089d9c-a95a-43aa-8237-8a4c60363cff
[15:34:59] <MattJ> getsrv is just a dig-wrapping script
[15:36:18] <MattJ> At least this makes things a little more "interesting"
[15:38:11] <fippo> I get the correct response from all three dns servers
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[15:41:05] <Kev> MattJ: All of xmpp.org's nameserver's should be mirroring.
[15:41:12] <Kev> MattJ: Can you tell me which on you think isn't?
[15:42:35] <MattJ> Nope, they all seem to respond when queried individually
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Take me where I cannot stand"

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Take me where I cannot stand"

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[16:35:10] <Kev> So, do we need some sort of checklist of things we'd like to check between servers? I'm assuming just basic XMPP like "Can s2s without using dialback for auth if there are trusted certs", "Can reject all connections not presenting a trusted cert", "Doesn't send junk over s2s in jabber:client" etc.
[16:36:33] <Dave Cridland> We probably do. Seeing if anyone does dialback errors, too. (Which we don't I just checked. But easy to change)
[16:37:02] <MattJ> We do dialback errors when the token doesn't validate
[16:37:09] <fippo> I think we do - at least the host-unkonwn variant
[16:37:13] <MattJ> but not when the dialbacking connection fails
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[16:42:33] <fippo> oh... we could test piggybacking - even though I am sure that googlemail/gmail does a pretty good job at enforcing it :-)
[16:43:05] <Kev> fippo: I'm happy to test stuff like that, but I'm not sure it's worth it as a baseline for interop testing.
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[16:52:20] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Oh, that's interesting - what's the right error condition for "Yes, I know who you are, but I kjust don't want to talk to you" - the ones I'd expect to use are all specified for TLS/X.509 usage.
[16:53:42] <Dave Cridland> I'll go for forbidden.
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[17:25:10] <Dave Cridland> Right, done and updated.
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[17:46:32] <fippo> policy-violation?
[17:47:09] <Dave Cridland> fippo, XEP-0220 specifies that as meaning requiring TLS. forbidden seemed to be reasonable.
[17:47:25] <Dave Cridland> fippo, I was tempted to go for payment-required just to irritate. :-)
[17:47:35] <stpeter> haha
[17:47:39] <stpeter> you would :P
[17:47:46] <fippo> lol
[17:48:47] <remko> :)
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[17:50:00] <fippo> dave: I think you would send a policy violation stream error in response to the initial stream header in that case
[17:50:55] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Yeah, except that if you receive it as a pggybacked request, you don't want to kill the other multiplexed pairs.
[17:51:36] <fippo> so if you know that you don't like domain X you still like domain Y hosted on the same server?
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[17:53:07] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Yes, yes, it's astonishingly unlikely.
[17:55:53] <fippo> btw... we should start making a list of things that are known to work - first item are srv-lookups and ports other than 5269
[17:56:10] <Kev> fippo: Sonuds like a good plan.
[17:56:51] <Dave Cridland> What we should also do is make a blog post about how wonderfully successful each day has been.
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[17:57:18] <Kev> Monday: Success, Kev played with bind9 for the first time, and managed to not break the XSF infrastructure.
[17:57:32] <zash> \o/
[17:57:58] <MattJ> Ok, I guess I'm now accepting CSRs to mwild1@gmail.com
[17:58:44] <fippo> CSRs? geee!
[17:59:49] <MattJ> :)
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[18:00:03] <MattJ> http://ca.xmpptest.com/
[18:01:21] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: do you mind if I forward your email to the xmpp@ietf.org list?
[18:01:37] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Which one? Interop one? Go for it.
[18:01:42] <stpeter> yeha
[18:01:45] <stpeter> yeah even
[18:01:58] *Dave Cridland wondered why you asked, but then remembered the IPR issues.
[18:02:36] <stpeter> yeah, usually I'm not so courteous :P
[18:03:04] <Dave Cridland> WOw, libjingle now speaking XEP-0166. Does that have implication that the GTalk client might also do so?
[18:03:39] <stpeter> libjingle was the first step, as I understand it from having chatted with Harald in Beijin
[18:03:40] <darkrain> Have they officially released such a version? I heard/saw they were actively updating the code repo on code.google.com
[18:04:12] <stpeter> darkrain: yes
[18:04:31] <stpeter> darkrain: well, a version of the library, not of the client yet
[18:04:36] <darkrain> Right.
[18:04:38] <darkrain> Nice :)
[18:04:49] <stpeter> indeed
[18:05:47] <zash> Did the ditchabillity of legacy pre-xep jingle code increase? :)
[18:05:47] *Sjoerd hopes that will go together with introducing VP8 as a video codec
[18:06:09] *stpeter dents it
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[18:09:46] <Sjoerd> do you doubt it as well ? :p
[18:10:09] <stpeter> well
[18:10:14] <stpeter> doubt VP8 support?
[18:10:23] <stpeter> or their support for the XEPs?
[18:10:34] <Sjoerd> both
[18:10:59] <stpeter> the folks I've talked with on the Talk team are committed to supporting the XEPs
[18:11:09] <stpeter> and the folks I've talked with are in a position to make that happen
[18:11:18] <Sjoerd> cool
[18:11:29] <stpeter> http://code.google.com/p/libjingle/wiki/FAQ does say:

What XEPs does libjingle support?¶

Libjingle has basic support for XEP-166 and XEP-167. It also supports the pre-standard versions of those protocols that Google Talk currently uses (web-based Google Talk will be updated to speak jingle soon).

Libjingle does not yet have support for XEP-176 because it uses a pre-standard version of ICE-UDP. We're looking at how we can fully implement XEP-176 and ICE-UDP.
[18:11:56] <Sjoerd> :)
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[18:28:35] <MattJ> Ok, prosody8 restarted with certs signed by ca.xmpptest.com
[18:28:57] *bear waves
[18:29:08] <MattJ> Hey bear
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[18:29:14] <Kev> MattJ: Can you issue for mlinkrelease and rooms.mlinkrelease please?
[18:29:20] <bear> looks like things are moving nicely
[18:29:23] <Kev> Or do you need me to work out how to get a CSR generated? :)
[18:29:40] <MattJ> Kev, I think I did, for Dave
[18:29:51] <bear> i'm going to go over the wiki page and the log scrollback later this afternoon and whack up a "day 1 summary"
[18:30:04] <MattJ> Ah no, that was mlinktrunk
[18:30:19] <MattJ> Kev, then I need a CSR, but I guess I can make one for you :)
[18:30:21] <bear> if anyone is inclined, patches accepted for any text snippets :)
[18:30:36] <Kev> MattJ: That'd be nice please.
[18:30:37] <MattJ> Thanks
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[18:43:59] <MattJ> fippo, I don't know how you did it, but congratulations
[18:44:09] <MattJ> Your CSR crashes the Isode CA software :)
[18:44:16] <vt100> \o/
[18:44:24] <MattJ> Hopefully Dave will reappear with a solution
[18:44:42] <vt100> MattJ: You wrote some CA implementation?
[18:44:49] <MattJ> No, Isode did
[18:45:09] <fippo> yay!
[18:45:22] <fippo> mattj: they were elmex'ed
[18:45:32] <MattJ> Thanks to Zash Prosody can generate OpenSSL configurations to feed into OpenSSL to generate a self-signed cert or CSR
[18:45:39] <MattJ> but a bit short of a CA
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[18:46:19] <fippo> mattj: if it's easier for you, you can make me a cert instead of using that cert
[18:47:13] <vt100> .o0( I wonder if this bot here will count karma points for people crashing other people servers in interop test )
[18:47:32] <vt100> people's
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[18:48:44] <MattJ> No crashed /servers/, yet anyway :)
[18:49:29] <Kev> MattJ: Received, thanks.
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[19:32:27] <fippo> mattj: prosody8 doesn't show me starttls - and does not attempt it either
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[19:41:37] <Nÿco> hi all
[19:41:59] *Nÿco planning interop teset Gajim and OneTeam on Jingle voice
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[19:47:11] <Kev> That'll be interesting.
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[19:58:01] <Asterix> Nÿco: just in time! I'm here
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[19:58:35] <Kev> If client devs want passwords for the servers, please poke the server admins. I've got accounts created for each of the clients on the interop page, ready.
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[20:00:23] <Asterix> Kev: ok thanks, maybe later during the week
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[20:00:38] <Kev> Not that it's all that interesting.
[20:01:03] <darkrain> Is it the same password as my luggage?
[20:01:24] <Kev> We know Gajim works with M-Link, and Prosody, and ejabberd anyway :)
[20:01:28] <Asterix> no but testing how clients behaves with all servers, all cert things (is it only s2s certs that has been generated?)
[20:02:08] <Kev> Certs are good for both s2s and c2s.
[20:02:26] <Kev> Not that I've installed the one for mlinkrelease yet, I intend doing that tomorrow morning.
[20:02:54] <Zash> *Client* certs?
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[20:03:11] <Kev> Oh, we don't have certs for the clients.
[20:03:15] <Kev> Although we could get them.
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[20:03:44] <Kev> I'm happy to set up certs on mlinkrelease for strong auth for clients.
[20:04:05] <Kev> Although MattJ would probably have to provide them so they're from the same CA.
[20:04:40] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Not, actually. You could setup your own CA for that.
[20:04:54] <Kev> Yes, but that would mean me setting up a CA.
[20:05:02] <Kev> Although I actually have one somewhere.
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[20:07:29] <prefiks> apropos gajim on ejabberd compatibility, i just can't login using latest version from hg, it authentication, bind, and session worked ok, i guess it failed when ejabberd returned error when gajim tried to delete some pep node
[20:07:51] <prefiks> i can send log if someone is interested
[20:08:21] <Asterix> I use gajim on ejabberd without problem. ejabberd replies with errors when deleting pep things, that's normal and it's not a problem
[20:08:27] <Asterix> brb
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[20:08:42] <darkrain> prefiks: What stanza are you sending, and what's the error response you get back?
[20:08:49] <darkrain> (or is the server uncleanly terminating the connection?)
[20:09:26] <prefiks> one moment let me consult ejabberd logs
[20:09:46] <Dave Cridland> prefiks, Gajim doesn't delete a PEP node, but it does publish empty Activity and Mood on connect.
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[20:10:08] <Dave Cridland> (Which mildly annoys me, although I only noticed when I was trying to test persistent PEP)
[20:11:03] <Kev> I'm not convinced that's the Right Thing to do, fwiw.
[20:11:45] <prefiks> ups, sorry looks like this is fault of my ejabberd (it's not vanilla one, it's quite heavy patched)
[20:11:46] <Zash> Kev: But, if you set a status like "I'm going to sleep now", and then shuts down the client, it won't make that much sence when restarting
[20:12:18] <Dave Cridland> Kev, I understand why - it's because Gajim's presence system regards the status message, activity, and mood as a three-tuple that gets set together, so when it comes online and sets its status message it sets all three.
[20:12:57] <Dave Cridland> Zash, It's slightly more annoying if you set PEPness in another client then spin up the laptop briefly...
[20:13:30] <Kev> Zash: Yes, but that's an argument for removing it at logout, not at login :)
[20:13:39] <Kev> (And only if you set it)
[20:13:42] <Kev> For the reasons Dave says.
[20:14:14] <Dave Cridland> I think on login you just see what's there, unless you've been explicitly told to set something else.
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[20:23:46] <Asterix> as wash said, there are also cases when that doesn't mean anything to keep last pep informatio...
[20:23:48] <Asterix> +n
[20:25:08] <Asterix> prefiks: is it you there: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/6041
[20:25:31] <Asterix> Nÿco: ping?
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[20:25:32] <prefiks> Asterix: no
[20:26:17] <Nÿco> ayes
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[20:28:25] <Asterix> Nÿco: nice, we go in pm?
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[20:35:25] <Dave Cridland> Whoops. Seems my "IPv6" claim was a little exaggerated. Now told my router to route IPv6 instead of looking at it blankly.
[20:37:01] <Nÿco> yes
[20:37:55] <Florian> did the certs get sorted?
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[20:51:04] <darkrain> Asterix: The one you linked to looks like https://support.process-one.net/browse/EJAB-939
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[21:15:38] *Nÿco talking with Asterix
[21:15:42] <Nÿco> on the phone
[21:15:46] <Nÿco> ;-)
[21:15:50] <Nÿco> over Jingle
[21:15:55] <Nÿco> quality quite ok
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[21:17:27] <Zash> \o/
[21:17:54] <Asterix> and works the first time (when I use a non-buggy Gajim ;) )
[21:20:06] <Nÿco> http://twitter.com/#!/nyconyco/status/11891978551693312
[21:20:40] <Asterix> ;)
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[21:24:00] <Nÿco> OneTeam also works against an N900 client
[21:24:02] <Dave Cridland> That sounds pretty cool.
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[21:24:25] <Dave Cridland> I can see the headline - "Jingle interoperability proven! Even works in French!"
[21:24:31] <Zash> :D
[21:24:45] <Nÿco> to be honest, I don't use often the voice calls... I will... more than before
[21:25:14] <Dave Cridland> I've tried it once or twice with Florian, occasionally with some success.
[21:25:19] <Nÿco> Dave Cridland: to be completely sure, and test at 100 % the Jingle calls, I need to test 'Humor over Jingle'
[21:25:30] <Florian> yeah
[21:25:31] <Dave Cridland> See? Interop failure right there.
[21:25:32] <Florian> just testing with Nyco
[21:25:45] <Dave Cridland> It's "humour". ;-)
[21:25:49] <Florian> do you remember the noise?
[21:26:07] <Dave Cridland> Florian, The background noise, or that ghastly sound you make when you speak?
[21:26:12] *Nÿco has made it, spelling mistakes always work ;-)
[21:26:32] <Florian> background noise :p
[21:26:52] <darkrain> Dave Cridland: Surely that's an interop issue for written communication, but not verbal?
[21:27:13] <Florian> just sending the recording via mail
[21:27:17] <Florian> and then sharing
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[21:30:19] <Florian> ok
[21:30:21] <Florian> listen to this
[21:30:22] <Florian> http://cl.ly/141I0X251G2B1l3c3m1F
[21:30:36] <Florian> when nyco talks (5s in) there is a noise
[21:31:06] <Nÿco> voice qualities differ
[21:31:06] <Dave Cridland> "Backlog too deep"
[21:31:20] <Dave Cridland> Ace. Nice debug message from the heroku developers.
[21:32:23] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Sounds like Nÿco's speaking through a sock. One that's clicking, too.
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[21:32:40] <Florian> haha
[21:32:43] <Florian> right ... the clicking
[21:32:52] <Dave Cridland> I assume it's recording you locally, which doesn't help - the contrast between the sound quality makes it more apparent.
[21:33:04] <Florian> right
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[21:33:22] <Florian> it's a small app on the N900 that allows you to record phone conversations :)
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[21:33:32] <Dave Cridland> Nifty.
[21:33:36] <Florian> great if you borrow someone your phone to make a "private call" :)
[21:33:48] <Dave Cridland> Evil.
[21:34:24] <Florian> i'd call it genious :)
[21:34:53] <Dave Cridland> But only if you can't spell "genius".
[21:35:03] <Florian> :p
[21:35:22] *sjoerd.simons likes when other people test interop for us
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[21:36:55] <Zash> sjoerd.simons: Isn't that called "customers"? ;)
[21:37:05] <sjoerd.simons> hah
[21:37:12] <sjoerd.simons> indirectly i guess :)
[21:42:01] <Zash> anyone tested N900, Gajim and video? Me and a friend tested a while ago, but I don't remember if it worked
[21:42:22] <Florian> just testing audio N900 <-> OneTeam
[21:42:27] <Dave Cridland> Zash, I've tried that with Florian. I can't remember if I could see him but not hear him, or something else.
[21:42:36] <Florian> it was weird
[21:42:41] <Florian> it was or audio or video worked
[21:42:43] <Florian> but not both :)
[21:42:47] <Dave Cridland> Zash, I do remember writing things down on my whiteboard in order to communicate, actually.
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[21:42:57] <Dave Cridland> Zash, Which was quite funny.
[21:43:06] <Zash> Hah
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[21:43:26] <Dave Cridland> Zash, And, of course, demonstrated that there's no need for a dedicated whiteboarding protocol in XMPP after all.
[21:43:32] <Florian> he then realized that XMPP has this thing that allows you to send text :)
[21:43:39] <Florian> haha :D
[21:44:17] <Florian> just in: VodafoneUK blocks Jingle
[21:44:18] <Zash> Why not just go straight ahead to svg-sxe.. aw
[21:44:25] <Florian> doesn't block SIP though
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[21:53:30] <Florian> I think we found the problem
[21:53:48] <Florian> Vodafone has some nifty routing: N900 -> 10.252.225.53 -> 10.252.224.21 -> 10.206.64.82 -> 10.206.64.145 -> Internet
[21:54:56] <Nÿco> bye all
[21:55:03] <Dave Cridland> Florian, How many of those are NATs?
[21:55:09] <Florian> I guess all of them
[21:55:17] <Florian> or none
[21:55:17] <Dave Cridland> Nÿco, See you tomorrow.
[21:55:24] <Florian> I dunno tbh
[21:55:26] <Florian> SIP works
[21:55:29] <Florian> Jingle doesn't
[21:55:32] <Florian> but!
[21:55:38] <Florian> SIP goes to a public server IP
[21:55:49] <Florian> jingle was to Nÿco behind a NAT
[21:56:57] <Florian> single nat worked ... i.e. N900 on WiFi
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[21:57:45] <Zash> Jingle nodes?
[21:58:54] <Florian> yup
[21:58:58] <Florian> where ?
[21:59:51] <Zash> Iduno, but I guess that's what would be needed :/
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[22:15:37] <Dave Cridland> Asterix, Have you looked into IGD/UPnP at all in Gajim?
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[22:16:29] <Asterix> doesn't gstreamer handle that for us?
[22:16:43] <Dave Cridland> Asterix, I don't know, actually.
[22:18:22] <sjoerd.simons> Asterix: depends, are you using farsight and nice ?
[22:19:04] <Asterix> yes we are
[22:19:22] <sjoerd.simons> then it should do upnp automagically assume your distro compiled things properly
[22:19:45] <Dave Cridland> So running up a upnpd on ym router might help. Interesting.
[22:21:21] <Zash> Mmmm.. UPnP IGD ..
[22:21:44] <Dave Cridland> Zash, I think it needs a clearer name, though.
[22:21:57] <Dave Cridland> Zash, Maybe UFMP.
[22:22:12] <Dave Cridland> Zash, "Unauthenticated Firewall Manipulation Protocol".
[22:22:16] <Zash> Universal Forward My Port!
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[22:22:44] <Zash> Dave Cridland: It needs more 'X'-es, since it uses SOAP, and therefore XML
[22:23:19] <Dave Cridland> I wish I wrote a SOAP server. Then I could make loads of gags about how clean the code was.
[22:23:40] <Florian> lol
[22:24:07] <Florian> I'd actually love to have an XMPP2SOAP gateway :)
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[22:26:06] <Dave Cridland> Florian, There's a gag there somewhere, I just can't see it.
[22:26:56] <Zash> XMPP over SOAP over HTTP over UDP?
[22:27:14] <Zash> .. over IP over avian carrier
[22:27:41] <Florian> lol
[22:28:21] <Dave Cridland> Zash, Reminds me of that time in Brussels a couple of years ago, when Dirk Meyer had HTTP over Jingle over XMPP working, and everyone who heard suggested running BOSH over it.
[22:28:32] <Florian> hehe
[22:28:37] <Zash> haha, awesome
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[22:28:50] <Florian> well ... that's where I heard about: Jingle over TCP over UDP over ICE
[22:28:53] <Florian> or something like that
[22:29:32] <Florian> that was 200
[22:29:44] <Florian> *2007
[22:32:34] <Florob> Hmm... + mod_tcpproxy = TCP over XMPP over BOSH over HTTP over Jingle over XMPP orver TCP over IP...
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[22:36:57] <Zash> And then you do all of it over that again!
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[22:48:10] <Florian> ok ... wtf ... why does iPlayer recommend BBC Wales Today?!
[22:48:10] <Florian> I'm not in Wales
[22:48:10] <Florian> I'm in London
[22:48:44] <Florian> and I guess the chick from my Uni finally got fired in the Apprentice
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[23:24:55] <stpeter> y'know, I'm getting a bit tired of the RFC revision process :)
[23:25:19] <Florian> hehe
[23:27:25] <stpeter> ok, bbl
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[23:57:05] <Florian> looks like I'll be joining the Hackday too :)
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