Tuesday, December 07, 2010
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[13:05:51] <fippo> mattj :-)
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[16:02:35] <remko> quiet interop day today?
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[16:03:11] <Florian> very
[16:03:53] <Zash> Does that mean that everything's fine or that stuff is horribly broken and everyone just sits an stares at the code?
[16:07:27] <MattJ> :)
[16:07:59] <MattJ> fippo, it would have saved me some time if you generated CSRs, but I can do it shortly if you're too lazy ;)
[16:08:13] <MattJ> fippo, unless you happen to have a copy of the Prosody repo
[16:08:20] <MattJ> in certs/ there's a Makefile
[16:08:37] <Kev> So, I think we need to initially get to the stage where every server is running up with a CA-generated cert for their domain.
[16:08:39] <MattJ> make yourdomain.com.cnf, edit the generated file accordingly
[16:08:48] <MattJ> then make yourdomain.com.csr
[16:08:52] <Kev> Once we're there, we can start testing basic s2s interop.
[16:09:56] <MattJ> Indeed, but if I have to start generating CSRs for everyone who needs a cert then it means it's going to take twice as long :)
[16:10:14] <MattJ> I can do it, if people send me the details
[16:10:46] <Kev> Dave's taking over mlinkrelease from me, btw.
[16:11:31] <MattJ> k
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[16:28:30] <MattJ> fippo, it looks like I have a fix from Isode - did you say the CSR you sent was wrong anyway? or would it be fine for me to sign it now?
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[16:35:39] <fippo> mattj: the csr I sent you was based on a old version and contained funny hostnames
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[16:42:15] <MattJ> fippo, aha, found why Prosody isn't advertising starttls
[16:43:02] <MattJ> the CA stuff doesn't generate PEM by default
[16:45:41] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, While we were tinkering, we noticed that the CRL DP is mis-marked critical in end-user certificates, so you'll probably want to reissue those. :-(
[16:45:59] <Dave Cridland> (It's technically just about legal - breaking a SHOULD - but OpenSSL certainly rejects them)
[16:46:14] <MattJ> Ah... ok
[16:47:17] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, That fix also fixes that issue. (Along with the other niggles and things you found).
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[16:51:16] <fippo> mattj: openssl did not expect a DER ca certificate either :-)
[16:51:25] *fippo wonders if we're doing openssl interop testing
[16:52:01] <MattJ> :)
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[16:55:39] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Or X.509 interop at least.
[16:56:09] <fippo> yai
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[16:56:24] <fippo> i've added the ca location to the wiki page btw
[16:57:42] <MattJ> Thanks
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[18:02:20] <Tobias> aren't CRLs normally provided via HTTPS? or are they already singed?
[18:02:24] <Tobias> *signed
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[18:03:34] <fippo> tobias: dave will explain that in a second :-)
[18:05:28] <MattJ> Heh
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[18:09:18] <steve.kille> CRLs are signed, so can be distributed by any mechanism. Location is explicitly or imi=plicity specified in the Cert. Usual distribution is either LDAP or HTTP. HTTPS is not really needed, although sometimes used
[18:10:13] <Tobias> steve.kille: ahh..k..then it makes sense :)
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[19:43:15] <Dave Cridland> Tobias, The only CA I've seen using https is CACert.org. The problem is, how do you verify the cert used in HTTPS, and if it fails to verify but the CRL is still signed (and within its expiry), what do you do anyway?
[19:43:44] <Tobias> throw a coin
[19:43:55] <Tobias> what do you do anyway if the resource of the CRL is unavailable
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[19:44:30] <Dave Cridland> Tobias, Ah, then the certificate is unverifiable, so cannot be trusted.
[19:44:47] <Dave Cridland> Could be an attack on the CA to avoid disclosure of a revocation.
[19:45:39] <Dave Cridland> Tobias, But that's why I personally prefer OCSP stapling, which largely avoids that case. But we don't support that. (yet?)
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[19:50:18] <Dave Cridland> MattJ, Do we need to resend CSRs?
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[19:54:49] <fippo> badlop: is ejabberd21 already tls-enabled?
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[19:56:31] <badlop> tls not enabled; what cert should i install in it?
[19:56:56] <Dave Cridland> badlop, If you generate a CSR, then MattJ has the CA, and can issue you a cert.
[19:57:09] <Dave Cridland> badlop, http://ca.xmpptest.com
[19:57:21] <fippo> prosody has a really nice makefile for generating csrs
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[19:58:13] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Sodium is rather spiffy, too. Like Prosody's makefile, as I understand things, it generates the CSR from the configuration.
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[19:59:53] <fippo> Interop day 2: We made mattj sign CSRs all day
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[20:06:30] <Zash> Dave Cridland: not yet, but I have a prosodyctl patch that makes it spit out a SAN section for a openssl.cnf :)
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[20:17:24] *Dave Cridland sends two more CSRs to MattJ
[20:18:42] <badlop> what's his email address?
[20:19:38] <badlop> ah, mwild1@gmail.com
[20:20:06] <stpeter> are we working on email interop? :)
[20:20:36] <stpeter> we need a way to attach files to a MUC room....
[20:20:48] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, What, send the CSRs via MUC?
[20:20:57] <Tobias> yeah..since normal p2p filetransfer already works that nice :P
[20:20:58] <stpeter> attach to the room
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[20:21:09] <stpeter> if you wanted to have it available to all
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[20:21:58] <stpeter> Tobias: heh, well, I just received a file from someone outside Cisco and it all worked fine, but it's not as reliable as it should be :(
[20:22:01] <Zash> mod_pastebin!
[20:22:11] <stpeter> :)
[20:22:46] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Yeah, one of our (XMPP) partners sent me a file. Surprised the heck out of me that it worked.
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[20:24:44] <Zash> Bah, XMPP is a messaging protocol, not a file-sharing protocol!
[20:24:49] <Zash> ;)
[20:25:26] <Dave Cridland> At least the Pontari.us guys are trying to make it a media sharing network, too.
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[20:39:19] <badlop> <fippo> i've added the ca location to the wiki page btw <-- and i added instructions to build the CSR
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[20:44:04] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Can you do some DNS magic for me?
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[20:44:41] <fippo> Kev: if you're incrementing the serial anyway, cann you add a no.such.xmpptest.com srv record pointing to . (which iirc means: no such service)
[20:44:55] <Dave Cridland> fippo, Oh, nice thought.
[20:45:46] <Dave Cridland> Kev, In that case, also add an A record pointing somewhere interesting we can log.
[20:45:53] *Dave Cridland is pretty sure we'll fail that.
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[20:56:49] <Dave Cridland> Kev, When you're back, then, I have 217.155.137.58 (5222/5269) servicing mlinkrelease.xmpptest.com - feel free to give it a random hostname, like, say, mlinktrunk.xmpptest.com. :-)
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[22:18:19] <Kev> It'll wait until tomorrow, I expect :)
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