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[08:42:39] <gio@jit.si> Hi, I hope today goes well.
[08:45:03] <gio@jit.si> I've just opened my server to full federation (allow all). It has required ssl on c2s and s2s, only problem is I've got a self-sighned cert.
[08:45:32] <gio@jit.si> Also I have ejabberd stuns required.
[08:46:06] <gio@jit.si> Also, I was at a rave last night!
[08:47:03] <gio@jit.si> but that's irrelevant.
[08:47:24] <gio@jit.si> What do you all expect from today?
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[08:48:04] <gio@jit.si> Is this where things will be co-ordinated?
[08:48:40] <gio@jit.si> and tested?
[08:48:51] <gio@jit.si> and reported?
[08:49:30] <gio@jit.si> OK, I'll be back
[08:49:32] <gio@jit.si> later
[08:49:34] <gio@jit.si> .
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[09:29:06] <gio@jit.si> Hi again, am looking at the various results from https://xmpp.net/list.php
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[09:31:09] <gio@jit.si> Some servers, respect client cipher ordering.. How to avoid this?
[09:32:17] <gio@jit.si> The server I operate, ejabberd, unfortunately respects client cipher ordering.
[09:33:06] <gio@jit.si> Anybody from ejabberd devs who can help with this?
[09:38:12] <gio@jit.si> Yeah, I was hoping ejabberd might release some new software for today.
[09:40:19] <gio@jit.si> I think the respect of client cipher ordering has to do with open ssl. Is this correct?
[09:42:07] <gio@jit.si> Well, I hope things will liven up later today.
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[09:45:42] <gio@jit.si> Ejabberd 13.12 has cipher odering options. Unfortunately I am using the freebsd current port, ejabberd 2.1.13.
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[10:10:46] <gio@jit.si> I see jabber.calyxinstitute.org use Prosody to enforce OTR. Can this be done with ejabberd? See https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=jabber.calyxinstitute.org&type=client and https://twitter.com/search?q=xmpp&src=typd
[10:10:46] <gio@jit.si> opps
[10:10:46] <gio@jit.si> Previous 2 messages here not showing
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[10:14:01] <gio@jit.si> I didn't know that jitsi.org is part of google. Did you?
[10:14:21] <gio@jit.si> https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=jitsi.org&type=client
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[10:20:58] <mathieui> gio@jit.si, no, ejabberd cannot do this
[10:21:11] <mathieui> well, if someone were to write a module for it, maybe
[10:32:47] <gio@jit.si> Hi mathiuei, you use ejabberd?
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[10:35:09] <gio@jit.si> My messages are not visible to me unless I quit adium and restart.
[10:35:54] <mathieui> weird
[10:35:57] <mathieui> and no, I use prosody
[10:36:50] <gio@jit.si> Were you around at the first encrypt all xmpp connections day?
[10:38:24] <mathieui> yes
[10:38:31] <mathieui> not specifically here, but yes
[10:39:02] <gio@jit.si> I've been scanning the various mailing lists but I haven't seen any particular plan or co-ordinated plan of action for today. I wasn't around on day1.
[10:40:00] <mathieui> well, the plan is here http://xmpp.org/2014/02/second-security-test-day/
[10:40:08] <mathieui> there isn’t much to do except wait & see
[10:40:22] <gio@jit.si> Ok, maybe its early..
[10:40:39] <mathieui> and yes, US isn’t awake yet
[10:41:13] <gio@jit.si> zzz, I think I'll go for a rest and come back later. Nice to speak to you. Catch you later in the day.
[10:41:51] <mathieui> see ya
[10:42:07] <gio@jit.si> I'm in GMT, London. You? France?
[10:43:29] <mathieui> yes, france
[10:44:10] <gio@jit.si> Cool, yeah, I just checked your xmpp profile.
[10:46:39] <gio@jit.si> I don't know this "Poezio" client. Sounds good.
[10:48:52] <gio@jit.si> Looks ok for command line access. I've been using irssi-xmpp plugin, but not otr available there for now.
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[10:57:05] <gio@jit.si> Anyhow, only dependency on US is DNS.
[10:57:12] <gio@jit.si> zzz.
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[11:11:23] <Simon> How is everyone's XMPP security testing going?
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[11:15:51] <gio@jit.si> So so. I can't force OTR on the ejabberd server. I can't force server based cipher ordering via current openssl on freebsd, so not so good for me.
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[11:17:25] <andol> Well, my @gmail.com xmpp contacts still breaks :)

By the way, are we testing enforcing proper certs too today?
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[11:19:44] <gio@jit.si> I haven't tried xmpp to gmail/google chat. I read google weren't using s2s ssl encryption. I think part of the plan is to test valid certs, thought I haven;t got one. A big F for me.
[11:20:03] <Simon> gio: which xmpp server are you using?
[11:20:10] <gio@jit.si> ejabberd.
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[11:20:41] <gio@jit.si> have you tried ejabberd to gmail/google chat gateway?
[11:22:14] <Simon> nope - tried working on Ejabberd a lot a long time ago.
[11:22:32] <Simon> used it for buddycloud stuff for about a year.
[11:22:34] <gio@jit.si> and your favorite now? Prosidy?
[11:23:10] <Simon> Prosody for smaller sites.
[11:23:30] <gio@jit.si> and for bigger sites?
[11:23:31] <Simon> Tigase for larger sites.
[11:23:34] <gio@jit.si> ok.
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[11:24:23] <Simon> I know Ejabberd claims amazing scalability etc, but Tigase really delivers it.
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[11:27:14] <gio@jit.si> I am looking at tigase.org website now. It promotes it's ability to handle large-scale use. Though if general federation works not so important for small scale servers.
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[11:28:46] <gio@jit.si> What I like is the possibilty of enforced OTR.
[11:29:01] <gio@jit.si> which my ejabberd server does not do.
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[11:32:12] <gio@jit.si> As I have very few users of my xmpp server, at what point does clustering become relevant, in terms of quantity of users? Sure I would set up a second or third xmpp back server, but on a signe server (I have never tried to stress test)
[11:32:51] <gio@jit.si> but on a single server at how many users start to slow things down, in general?
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[11:35:29] <Simon> gio - user counts really only influence memory use. It's what the users are doing.
[11:35:45] <mathieui> gio@jit.si, clustering becomes relevant when you start hittling more than thousands of concurrent users that do things, on a decent server
[11:35:53] <mathieui> hitting*
[11:37:12] <gio@jit.si> Well, for now I don't need to worry!
[11:37:38] <Simon> Tigase and their clustering components will get you up to the 10M user mark
[11:38:27] <gio@jit.si> Although there is a plan to setup new open xmpp service with provisioning for jitsi client.
[11:39:11] <Simon> I'd really like to include a hosted version of jitsi on the buddycloud hosted servers
[11:39:35] <Simon> "sign-up for buddycloud, get hosted jitsi on your domain too."
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[11:45:26] <gio@jit.si> I see, but I don't yet understand all the advantages of provisioning.
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[11:46:25] <Simon> basically it's a "just add these dns records and you will have XMPP+buddycloud+oTalk(+jitsi)."
[11:47:14] <gio@jit.si> I see, but can;t that be done on "first connection"?
[11:47:50] <Simon> it would be - but it needs to be running and working for any domain that signs up.
[11:47:55] <Simon> that's the provisioning bit.
[11:48:30] <gio@jit.si> I see.
[11:49:20] <gio@jit.si> Offering xmpp to any domain.
[11:49:55] <Simon> yes
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[14:33:07] <aRyo> Simon: is that "provisioning" thing possible?
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[14:34:51] <Simon> aryo: we've built it and are working to get it deployed now. If you are interested, here's the code: https://github.com/buddycloud/hosting
[14:36:22] <aRyo> actually buddycloud is too much for me
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[14:41:03] <aRyo> offering XMPP to any registered domain, that is good idea
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[14:42:36] <Simon> aRyo - for sure - some will use it. Some not. Nobody is forcing anyone.
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[14:49:14] <hugo> Hi. I have a server that wanted to test for this test day, but the test service in xmpp.net is giving me " "" is not a valid domain name. "
[14:49:37] <hugo> I tried with another xmpp server and its the same. Is there any problem with the tester?
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