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[08:53:58] <random> Holger: hi, on check.messaging.one there's a thing not covered in faqs that I don't understand: in cipher section what means ""
[08:54:31] <random> Server does not rspect client cipher ordering?
[08:55:18] <Ge0rG> random: it means that the server will choose the best cipher from the client's list, instead of the first one.
[08:55:42] <Holger> Both the server and the client advertise a list of supported ciphers. The client might advertise A|B|C and the server C|B|A. The question is whether A or C is chosen.
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[08:56:41] <random> I see, can it be solved so the server is the one that decides?
[08:56:54] <random> Any way to force it
[08:56:57] <Ge0rG> random: that's exactly what the message says.
[08:57:05] <Zash> Ackshhhhually, Client advertises, server picks one that is mutually supported. :) </pedantic>
[08:57:05] <Holger> Yes, the recommendation seems to be C, i.e. "don't respect the client's ordering". The assumption seems to be that the server knows more about ciphers than the client.
[08:57:15] <Holger> Zash: Right.
[08:57:35] <Zash> Server may take the clients ordering into consideration, or not.
[08:57:58] <random> Oooh i understand. So that's not a bad message
[08:58:09] <Holger> No.
[08:58:17] <Zash> It's just a message.
[08:58:35] <Holger> But yes it's worded in a somewhat negative way :-)
[08:58:44] <Zash> If the client has a terrible ordering then ignoring it is good. If the client has put thought into its ordering then ignoring it is .. less good.
[08:58:49] <random> I understand now, thanks everybody
[08:59:35] <Zash> xnyphs did some research into a the ordering of a bunch of clients and they weren't very nice, so having the server prefer its own order seemed like a sensible choice at the time
[08:59:55] <Zash> That situation may or may not have changed, and probably varies with clients.
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[09:01:28] <Zash> I kinda wish TLS APIs had more flexibility than either-or ordering. I think some Google / Chrome people (agl?) looked into that, but I don't think any changes have made it into eg OpenSSL
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