XMPP Service Operators - 2017-11-23


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  73. edhelas is exploit.im legit ?
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  76. Ge0rG edhelas: it depends on your moral compass
  77. edhelas tell me more
  78. mathieui we blacklisted it
  79. mathieui I mean, generally we don’t get too much spam from it
  80. edhelas do you have your blacklist published somewhere ?
  81. mathieui on the other hand, they certainly are a first-class offender when it comes to registering automated accounts and then broadcasting stuff to them, either to *relay* spam, for DoS, or other stuff
  82. mathieui and no
  83. edhelas okay
  84. mathieui (being a botnet relay is not really pleasant, so we blacklisted that)
  85. edhelas do you have your rules published somewhere ? I'm interested to maybe put them in my server config as welll
  86. mathieui nope
  87. mathieui we could publish our blacklist, I suppose
  88. mathieui firewall rules are a bit more touchy
  89. edhelas sure
  90. zuglufttier Wouldn't some kind of trusted network be nice?
  91. zuglufttier The whitelist approach ;)
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  93. mathieui a whitelist approach is bad for the federation, I would rather not do that
  94. zuglufttier True...
  95. edhelas zuglufttier I got ~160 s2s connections on my server
  96. mathieui we have 2500 s2s connections onr our server
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  98. Ge0rG My main issues with such a blacklist are: - who is trustworthy to add entries? - where do you put the line? - how can people get off the list?
  99. mathieui well, exploit.im being a vanity badge for black hats, I don’t think they will get off my list
  100. edhelas is there other servers like this ?
  101. Ge0rG edhelas: xmpp.jp seems popular among spammers as well
  102. Ge0rG but I don't think they are shady per-se
  103. zuglufttier I think the main problem are servers that are not up to date and have no real administrator.
  104. Ge0rG if you blacklist exploit.im, you might offend some kiddies there and get a nice little DDoS.
  105. Ge0rG zuglufttier: 👍
  106. zuglufttier Otherwise, you could use the whitelist approach. Everybody does trust one or two servers in the beginning and so the network will grow quickly.
  107. Ge0rG zuglufttier: that's "web of trust" and it doesn't work for PGP already
  108. zuglufttier And after that: Use a democratic approach. Malicious server can be blacklisted on your server and you could flag them as bad in the whitelist. If the server gets too much bad reputation, it could be removed from the whitelist.
  109. zuglufttier But it really needs active administrators.
  110. zuglufttier And it's problematic in other scenarios :D
  111. mathieui and yes, xmpp.jp is kind of unmaintained
  112. zuglufttier We could introduce blockchains to remove the need for a central withelist server. But again, this is not a perfect solution...
  113. edhelas please dont bring blockchain in the discussion…
  114. Ge0rG zuglufttier: we can just store our messages in the blockchain. Problem solved.
  115. Ge0rG I never finished the xmpp-message-proof-of-work XEP :(
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