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[10:51:32] <edhelas> spam spam spamm
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[11:18:55] <ThurahT> yeah, my jabber.org account is set to deny all but contacts in roster now. It has really picked up the last two weeks.
[11:19:24] <ThurahT> never knew there were so many servers out there. Or at least domains.
[11:21:30] <Ge0rG> ThurahT: hard to find new contacts this way, though
[11:22:22] *** ThibG shows as "away" and his status message is " (Absent(e) car inactif depuis plus de 15 min)"
[11:23:18] <mrDoctorWho> I thought the jabber spam era has ended years ago
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[11:24:11] <Ge0rG> mrDoctorWho: there is a new spam era now
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[11:24:20] <mrDoctorWho> I wonder what they're trying to achieve
[11:24:29] <Ge0rG> run by a bunch of Russian spammers, advertising for illegal services, credit card dumps and drugs
[11:24:50] <mrDoctorWho> Oh, yes indeed, now I remember
[11:25:25] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
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[11:25:39] <mrDoctorWho> I had a jid on jabber.ru and I was receiving such spam too
[11:27:11] *** ThurahT shows as "away"
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[11:27:12] <ThurahT> Ge0rG: I got movim for that : )
[11:28:01] <Ge0rG> just in: message from user763@pvpctutorials.de/nfWTmyU, body contains "Качественная рассылка по jabber // jabber advertising // https://pastebin.com/raw/hHmFT5Xh"
[11:28:37] <edhelas> ThurahT Movim is not spamming, we are just mining BTC and transfering them directly to our wallet :)
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[11:28:51] <ThurahT> I approve
[11:28:53] <mrDoctorWho> Back in the days, when spam usually didn't come out of chatrooms, most of them had their ban lists full of servers with open registration
[11:28:55] <ThurahT> : )
[11:28:56] <Ge0rG> send a jabber message to 250k contacts for only 20$ in BTC
[11:29:17] <Ge0rG> or two-hours XMPP flood for only 10$
[11:29:54] <edhelas> I'm wondering if we could define together rules to allow S2S
[11:30:23] <Ge0rG> I really need a way to inject subscription-rejections based on that
[11:30:23] <Ge0rG> MattJ: please? :D
[11:30:25] <edhelas> because a bunch of those servers doesn't seems legit by just having a look at the domain
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[11:31:19] <Ge0rG> edhelas: I'm pretty sure those are just semi-abandoned IBR servers.
[11:31:27] <edhelas> not sure
[11:31:50] <Ge0rG> spam from='helpdesk@freiebaptisten.de/312425043290271873351426'. What. The. Fun.
[11:31:50] <edhelas> they maybe have a script to create domains on the fly, put a letsencrypt certificate and boom
[11:32:02] <Ge0rG> edhelas: yeah sure.
[11:32:09] <Ge0rG> or they just spam IBR domains.
[11:32:09] <edhelas> you have a fully legit XMPP server
[11:32:21] <edhelas> I think that IBR should be deprecated
[11:32:49] <Ge0rG> edhelas: let's just deprecate XMPP altogether. We don't need new users, and neither existing ones
[11:33:00] <edhelas> true
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[11:33:09] <Ge0rG> the problem isn't IBR, the problem is unlimited IBR and abandoned servers
[11:33:19] <Ge0rG> from='lessie@paranoid.scarab.name/7PC0mmOf'
[11:33:23] <mrDoctorWho> edhelas: such spam would be non-profitable
[11:33:25] <Ge0rG> also dumb default configurations
[11:33:54] <Ge0rG> from='redirect485@xjabber.org/KwdwovgL'
from='info847@legalize.li/2fo6m'
from='user173@jabber.tanjeff.net/lXqCN9'
[11:34:22] <mrDoctorWho> Such interesting names
[11:34:26] <Ge0rG> If only the XSF had a spam fighting taskforce.
[11:34:39] <Ge0rG> Then I could write it down once and not repeat myself every week.
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[11:35:22] <mrDoctorWho> There is project Providence, but it it's seems abandoned and I don't think it even works
[11:35:25] <edhelas> I'm afraid of spam on pubsub as well
[11:35:59] <edhelas> I'll restrict publication on my pubsub services from my own xmpp accounts only if it appears
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[11:36:54] <Ge0rG> Agenda items:
1) disable IBR by default, make sure that private servers have better means, and that for public servers there are appropriate limits in place
2) create automated ways to notify admins of abuse on their servers
3) implement server-side modules that track a remote domain's reputation, maybe even with an export/import feature to share insights with friends. Use that to block old unmaintained IBR servers
[11:37:11] <Ge0rG> from='dollar345@sweetway.info/rzXaiIQ'
[11:37:51] <mrDoctorWho> Ge0rG: the #3 sounds centralized
[11:38:12] <Ge0rG> mrDoctorWho: federated, not centralized.
[11:38:31] <Ge0rG> mrDoctorWho: like, I trust the admins of xmpp.org and of conversations.im, so I can share my stats with them
[11:38:56] <mrDoctorWho> Hmm, makes sense
[11:39:35] <Ge0rG> from='paliyvadim@simple-systems.ru/3418065207151241907771167'
[11:42:06] <Ge0rG> From that last domain, I had ten different accounts contact yax.im users in the last 10 days
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[11:54:16] <zuglufttier> I kind of like the idea of a federated blacklist but the whole "web of trust" idea does not really work...
[11:54:55] <Ge0rG> zuglufttier: I think it depends on the abstraction level
[11:55:09] <Ge0rG> zuglufttier: have a look at email spam RBLs
[11:57:17] <zuglufttier> Still, how do I get off that blacklist?
[11:57:38] <edhelas> create a new random domain
[11:59:25] <zuglufttier> That's what a spammer would do ;)
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[18:20:54] *** 0xAFFE shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
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[18:54:58] <Holger> gmail.com immediately responds to my server's stream header with <not-authorized/>. Are they finally closing down s2s?
[18:56:30] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[18:57:48] <Zash> Yes!
[18:59:33] <Holger> So others noticed this already? Or is there even some public info?
[18:59:49] <Zash> Yesterday(?) in the prosody room
[19:00:16] <Holger> Ah, thanks.
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[20:02:56] *** Marzanna shows as "xa" and his status message is "I'm a pony! (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
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[20:07:46] *** 0xAFFE shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"
[20:08:30] *** fp-tester shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Nicht verfügbar wegen Untätigkeit seit mehr als 15 Minuten)"
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[20:24:05] *** ThibG shows as "away" and his status message is " (Absent(e) car inactif depuis plus de 15 min)"
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[21:10:02] *** Marzanna shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm a pony!"
[21:11:24] *** Holger shows as "away" and his status message is "Auto-away (idle)"
[21:12:09] *** Holger shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm available"
[21:12:37] *** ThibG shows as "away" and his status message is " (Absent(e) car inactif depuis plus de 15 min)"
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[21:22:24] *** Marzanna shows as "online" and his status message is "I'm a pony!"
[21:23:29] *** ThibG shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Non disponible car inactif depuis plus de 15 min)"
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[22:24:15] *** Ge0rG shows as "online"
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