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[19:44:35] <Ge0rG> edhelas: block multi line messages from strangers. Also pastebin links
[19:45:58] <edhelas> how ?
[19:46:48] <Zash> Bother ejabberd devs about porting mod_firewall?
[19:51:53] <Ge0rG> edhelas: migrate to prosody! 🤣
[19:52:04] <edhelas> eheh
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[20:33:57] <Holger> > Code expressions are powerful, and allow unconstrained access to Prosody's internal environment.

This part will be non-trivial to port :-)
[20:34:32] <Zash> Just include all of Prosody
[20:34:46] <Holger> And I'm not sure I'd go for Lua patterns rather than regular expressions. So I guess real-world rule sets wouldn't work unmodified.
[20:34:57] <Holger> That said, I'm thinking about porting this as well.
[20:35:58] <Holger> Zash: :-)
[20:36:47] <Zash> Lua patterns are roughly a subset of regular expressions
[20:37:03] <Zash> And probably is, in the language theory sense
[20:37:28] <Zash> People tend to think of PCRE and similar when they hear "regular expressions"
[20:37:29] <Holger> Well you can't pipe them as-is into regex functions.
[20:37:48] <Holger> Zash: So do I :-)
[20:38:07] <Zash> A bunch would work if you s/%/\\/
[20:38:35] <Zash> Notable exceptions are - which is like *? and %bxy which is ... not regular IIRC
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[20:39:05] <Holger> Yes I know them, I did quite a bit of Lua actually (before Prosody even existed) :-)
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[20:40:54] <Holger> They're just fine, I'm just unsure implementing them (or loading 'luerl' just for this purpose) would be worth it.
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[20:41:40] <Zash> PCRE is supposedly huge compared to the Lua pattern implementation
[20:41:54] <Holger> Absolutely, but it's loaded anyway.
[20:42:35] <Holger> Apart from that the syntax is probably more familiar to most admins.
[20:43:05] <Holger> Then again, my only goal in implementing this would be loading Georg's rules, so what do I care about admins.
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[20:43:20] <sam> I feel like doing PCRE in a network firewall type situation is a bad idea; you're just going to end up with administrators writing rules that will trigger infinite recursion when people send malicious packets
[20:43:53] <sam> You probably want actually-regular regular expressions that can run in linear time (there's probably a word for that)
[20:43:55] <Zash> And how much of mod_firewall you wanna be compatible with
[20:44:14] <Zash> sam: That might actually be "regular expressions"
[20:44:28] <sam> Zash: "real regular expressions"?
[20:44:38] <Zash> But I haven't studied this, so what do I know
[20:44:55] <sam> Huh, I wonder why my name is "sam" all of a sudden.
[20:45:10] <Zash> Who are you?
[20:45:13] <Zash> ???
[20:45:13] <sam> An imposter
[20:45:16] <Zash> !!
[20:46:02] <sam> my mcabber config has not changed; maybe the wrong value is stored int he bookmark or something.
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[20:46:58] <sam> Oh, it thinks my nickname is already in use… that's odd, my phone is not using it, so I have no idea what I left logged in.
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[20:47:28] <SamWhited> Test
[20:47:30] <SamWhited> That's better.
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[20:50:28] <Zash> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chomsky-hierarchy.svg
[20:50:38] <Zash> That stuff
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[20:55:55] <Zash> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_language#Formal_definition
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[21:00:28] <SamWhited> Maybe I'll start calling them "regular regular expressions", since the first regular is ignored by Perl et al. and apparently is meaningless
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[21:32:06] <Ge0rG> SamWhited: just call them cat expressions, because they look like typed by a cat running over the keyboard
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[21:41:59] <SamWhited> Ge0rG: this is true, but that doesn't distinguish them from PCRE style regular expressions, or anything written in Erlang.
[21:42:26] <Zash> catjabberd
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[21:46:09] <Ge0rG> JabberCat
[21:46:59] <Zash> That sounds familiar
[21:47:24] <SamWhited> https://github.com/jabbercat/jabbercat
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