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[09:20:32] <edhelas> ok, I start to get many spams that are always coming in pair
[09:20:39] <edhelas> a spammy message + invitation
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[09:28:25] <Ge0rG> edhelas: invitation or subscription request?
[09:28:40] <edhelas> subscriptions
[09:28:52] <Ge0rG> Yeah, annoying. But not useful.
[09:29:03] <Ge0rG> My server only leaves through the subscription requests, because those come first
[09:31:27] <edhelas> ok
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[09:33:06] <Ge0rG> And there is no easy way to pull them back automatically
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[11:59:38] <edhelas> lona8798@yax.im
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[12:00:31] <Ge0rG> edhelas: already deleted that one.
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[12:04:08] <edhelas> good
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[14:25:03] <404> I hate these spammers. They manage spam from the telegram and forums.
[14:25:22] <Ge0rG> 404: pardon?
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[14:29:57] <404> I receive a lot of spam from different servers. Smelly rats.
[14:30:00] <404> Spammers are avenging me. I've banned spammers.
[14:30:46] <Ge0rG> And what about Telegram and forums?
[14:31:35] <Ge0rG> I've deleted another 300 spammers on my server today.
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[14:38:03] <404> Spammers direct the dispatch through a telegram. Telegrams do not ban them.
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[14:39:38] <404> https://telegram.org/
[14:40:07] <404> Lair of spammers
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[15:28:30] <Ge0rG> 404: I don't understand.
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[15:37:58] <uc> Telegram does xmpp??
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[15:39:20] <Zash> No
[15:40:40] <Ge0rG> I know from a reliable source that XMPP spammers use XMPP.
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[16:09:02] <404> Ge0rG: Spammers are looking for customers in a telegram
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[16:10:07] <Ge0rG> 404: they are also looking in jabber. I can tell you the JIDs of some spam sending services.
[16:12:31] <404> Ge0rG: show JIDs
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[16:17:07] <Ge0rG> 404: scroll down in https://pastebin.com/EhEFzMQg
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[16:17:55] <404> telegram @jabservice
[16:23:50] <404> Another contact @CyborgHawk
[16:24:02] <Ge0rG> 404: there are JIDs in that pastebin
[16:24:26] <Ge0rG> here are two more JIDs: https://pastebin.com/raw/3QsfWC7T
[16:25:46] <404> They constantly change Jid. This is one person.
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[16:33:12] <Ge0rG> 404: I think the two links I gave are different entities.
[16:33:41] <Ge0rG> And then there is https://xmppspam.net/users/sign_in
[16:34:28] <Ge0rG> 404: different prices, different contacts
[16:38:58] <404> Ge0rG: probably they are different. maybe the base is the same?
[16:39:09] <Ge0rG> 404: maybe, maybe not. I don't know
[16:39:31] <Ge0rG> but I do know that you can easily get rid of them by rejecting multi-line messages from strangers.
[16:39:36] <Ge0rG> and messages with pastebin links
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[16:41:18] <404> Ge0rG: Debian 9 / ejabberd 16.09 does not support this
[16:41:35] <Ge0rG> 404: bug zinid over in xsf@
[16:41:43] <Ge0rG> or Holger
[16:42:37] <404> Ge0rG: ok
[16:42:50] <404> Ge0rG: Thanks
[16:42:55] <Ge0rG> 404: in prosody, there is mod_firewall that allows message blocking in very fine-grained ways.
[16:43:23] <Holger> Ah. Failed to figure out the question from reading a few lines of backlog :-)
[16:43:37] <Holger> There's no such ejabberd module unfortunately.
[16:43:48] <Holger> There's mod_block_strangers to ... block strangers.
[16:44:47] <Ge0rG> And blocking strangers is bad for the XMPP ecosystem.
[16:45:04] <Ge0rG> Holger: you could rename it to mod_block_spammers :P
[16:45:37] <Holger> Spam is bad for the XMPP ecosystem as well.
[16:46:01] <Holger> And right now we don't have perfect solutions, so we must resort to workarounds. mod_block_strangers is one of them.
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[16:46:08] <Holger> But I don't like/use it myself either.
[16:46:15] <Ge0rG> Holger: you could write mod_block_multiline_strangers
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[16:46:31] <Holger> Yes I considered that.
[16:46:44] <Ge0rG> it could even auto-reject a pending subscription from the sender.
[16:46:44] <Holger> I mean, still considering it :-)
[16:47:00] <Holger> Plus maybe another few simple checks.
[16:47:08] <Holger> I.e. poor-man's mod_firewall.
[16:47:23] *Holger is good at considering things.
[16:47:40] <Zash> Holger: Wasn't there a Ruby-like Erlang-compatible language? Elixir maybe? Is that DSL-friendly? (Ruby is IIRC)
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[16:47:57] <Holger> Yes it is.
[16:48:08] <Holger> That's the #1 feature of Elixir compared to Erlang.
[16:48:08] <Ge0rG> And then you link a Lua runtime into ejabberd.
[16:48:22] <Holger> The rest is just syntax cosmetics.
[16:48:31] <Holger> Ge0rG: We already do (for prosody2ejabberd) :-)
[16:48:40] <Holger> https://github.com/rvirding/luerl
[16:48:44] <Holger> Works quite well.
[16:49:18] <Ge0rG> Holger: you just made my head explode.
[16:49:31] <Ge0rG> Holger: also, you can just provide bindings to mod_firewall with luerl :P
[16:49:59] <Zash> Load Prosody modules in ejabberd?
[16:51:22] <Holger> The p1 blog post will be interesting.
[16:51:54] <Zash> Then call out to some Python via https://pypi.python.org/pypi/lupa/
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[16:53:46] <Holger> Sounds great!
[16:54:24] <Ge0rG> "Ejabberd now comes with prosody bundled" makes for some interesting marketing
[16:54:48] <Zash> That kind of thing rarely works out tho
[16:55:17] <Holger> "The next release will also ship Openfire!"
[16:55:36] <Ge0rG> Reminds me of Electron apps.
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[16:56:11] <Zash> Java-to-JavaScript thingy and run Openfire in the browser?
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[16:57:13] <Holger> https://github.com/hypernumbers/LuvvieScript
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[16:58:28] <Holger> 404: See, lots of helpful suggestions :-)
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