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[10:50:40] <seantodd> If I were to change my SRV records to remove the chat.* part of my JID, would any of my users need to do anything different, other than point themselves at seantodd.co.uk?
[10:51:06] <Ge0rG> seantodd: they would change their JIDs to the new domain, reconfigure their clients and lose their rosters.
[10:51:41] <seantodd> ‎Ge0rG‎: so it would be the same as starting over?
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[10:51:55] <Ge0rG> yeah, basically
[10:52:09] <Ge0rG> seantodd: I didn't realize you have a user base when I made that proposal. Sorry :)
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[10:53:06] <seantodd> It's a userbase of 2. :)
[10:53:38] <seantodd> ‎Ge0rG‎: well, 2 other users.
[10:53:46] <Ge0rG> Oh, then it depends on the cumulative roster size and anticipated effort. I wish https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0283.html was better suited.
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[13:21:22] <seantodd> Excellent. I've been considering wiping my instance and starting over, this might be a good reason to do so.
[13:22:36] <Ge0rG> seantodd: sounds like it.
[13:23:00] <Ge0rG> seantodd: another caveat: some networks don't properly resolve SRV, and then your client will fall back to the regular A record
[13:23:21] <MattJ> Yeah, that's why Prosody warns you now if it detects a "chat." or "xmpp." subdomain, so you can fix it early
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[13:25:43] <Ge0rG> what about "jabber."?
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[13:29:38] <seantodd> Ge0rG‎: Good to know. I'll err on the side of pretty(& short) JIDs.
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[13:30:14] <Ge0rG> seantodd: some clients (*cough*yaxim*cough*) will not re-try resolving SRV, so if it fails on first attempt, only killing the client will fix it again
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[13:32:18] <seantodd> Ge0rG‎: Hmm. The only clients that are currently using my instance are gajim, conversations and converse.js (via bosh).
[13:32:51] <Ge0rG> seantodd: should be fine then
[13:34:52] <seantodd> Do you run your instances for fun? Or is it part of your job? Or a bit of both?
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[13:36:07] *Ge0rG is running a private server for a decade now, and a public one for yaxim users, as a hobby
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[13:36:24] <Ge0rG> the latter since 2013
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[13:38:48] <seantodd> Damn. Thats a long time. Do you have a preferred server, like ejabberd/prosody?
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[13:40:42] <Ge0rG> Yes, I do.
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[13:41:39] <seantodd> :D Do you mind sharing it, or would you rather not?
[13:43:13] <Ge0rG> seantodd: it's highly subjective, so it might not apply to anybody else but a grumpy cynical old-school nerd.
[13:44:02] <seantodd> ‎Ge0rG‎: Ah, that's fine.
[13:44:31] <Ge0rG> seantodd: what I can tell you is:
- prosody has an awesome framework for spam blocking and filtering. it's like iptables for spam messages
- ejabberd has a faster and more all-in-one development process, where you get all the modern features from the main package already, without needing to rely on third-party modules
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[13:46:58] <seantodd> ‎Ge0rG‎: That's exactly the sort of anecdotal evidence I was going for! Thanks.
[13:48:09] <Ge0rG> seantodd: if you want a one-click install for a mobile-client friendly small-scale installation and you are not a victim of xmpp spam, ejabberd is probably the more robust solution
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[16:32:53] *** kmq shows as "online"
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[22:14:55] <UsL> Bunneh, help
[22:15:15] <UsL> -uptime siacs.eu
[22:15:17] <Bunneh> UsL: siacs.eu doesn't reply to uptime/last activity requests (No module is handling this query)
[22:15:35] <UsL> -ping siacs.eu
[22:15:35] <Bunneh> UsL: Pong from siacs.eu in 0.053 seconds
[22:15:54] <UsL> -version siacs.eu
[22:15:54] <Bunneh> UsL: siacs.eu doesn't reply to version requests (No module is handling this query)
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[22:23:54] <Licaon_Kter> UsL: have patience
https://twitter.com/iNPUTmice/status/1011707510116495362
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[22:38:13] <UsL> ah, thanks. I thought it was my end.
[22:45:48] *** UsL shows as "away" and his status message is "here (afk at least 6 minutes by now)"
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