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[13:17:21] <SouL> So, surprisingly, I've never received any SPAM and my account is quite public. Somebody in my server got the following and I can't understand how they found the JID to SPAM:
Headline> gil821@manager.krible.ru/Psi says: Качественная JABBER Рассылка / Good Jabber Adverts
Лучшая реклама Jabber для Вашего сервиса / Best Jabber Adverts for your service!
#1 Рассылка /1 Spam Adverts = 15$
457к JIDs Кардинг тематика! / Carding Contact List
Так же ДЕЙСТВУЕТ АКЦИЯ! / Also NOW DISCOUNT! = 5 рассылок = 50$ / 5 Spam adverts = 50$
Действуют скидки при заказе от 5 рассылок / Discount for more 5 spam adverts
Помощь подготовки рекламного текста Вашего сериса/шопа/и т.п
Так же имеются другие тематики, уточняем лично!
Food Jabber - Устранение конкурента! от 10$ в час
Jabber adv_jid@jabbim.ru 24/7 Online!
Приношу извинения за рассылку!
P.S так же продажа комплекта спама (Jabber Spammer + Jabber base 457k = 350$ / Also selling pack for
JIDs spam (Jabber Spammer + Jabber Base 457k JIDs) Price 350$
[13:19:58] <Licaon_Kter> SouL: was the JID a common name?
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[13:22:49] <MattJ> and/or did they join MUCs or have contacts on certain remote servers?
[13:25:16] <SouL> Not at all, from what he says, he joined once to the Psi+ MUC and that is all. (Only chats with friends and family, so that is why I'm kind of puzzled)
I mean, I would understand if I get SPAM but not him, wow
[13:25:53] <SouL> My Prosody setup is not ready to fight SPAM, I hope it does not become a problem
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[13:28:04] <Ge0rG> Oh, I know that spam message.
[13:28:13] <Holger> I got it just a minute ago.
[13:28:22] <Holger> First spam to *this* JID of mine ...
[13:28:34] <Ge0rG> Somebody got a new spam-jid list?
[13:28:43] <Ge0rG> Holger: so... mod_firewall, finally?
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[13:29:43] <Holger> Certainly bumps up a few positions in the to-do list :-)
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[13:41:18] <MattJ> SouL, the Psi+ MUC is on jabber.ru?
[13:46:09] <SouL> MattJ, yes
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[13:54:03] <oli> jabber.ru leaked?
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[13:55:14] <MattJ> There are many possibilities
[13:55:50] <MattJ> e.g. an admin of the MUC may be on a different server that is leaked/compromised/compliant with spammers
[13:56:10] <MattJ> Consider that server operators have all the data that spammers want (JIDs, JIDs, JIDs)
[13:56:19] <MattJ> Best of all... active JIDs
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[13:56:43] <MattJ> A rogue server operator could easily sell that info to spammers
[13:56:48] <Ge0rG> SouL: how much randomness is in that account name=
[13:56:58] <oli> we need temporary jids for muc
[13:57:02] <Ge0rG> MattJ: that smells like a business model
[13:57:09] <MattJ> Ge0rG, sure it is
[13:57:20] <Ge0rG> How much is a JID?
[13:57:22] <MattJ> It made some of the largest companies in the world successful :)
[13:57:57] <MattJ> 1) get users to use your free service 2) sell some amount of the data you gather from this 3) PROFIT!!!
[13:58:47] <MattJ> This is only one possibility. Server databases have been compromised in the past (so rosters were leaked, and I know my JID was in one of those)
[13:59:26] <oli> xmpp is doomed
[13:59:36] <MattJ> The internet is doomed. Humanity is doomed :)
[13:59:50] <Ge0rG> doom is doomed
[14:00:04] <oli> oh yeah, there are bigger problems i forgot
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[14:04:13] <edhelas> can we run Doom on XMPP ? 🤔
[14:04:38] <Ge0rG> XMPP is not a toaster.
[14:05:40] <oli> can we run xmpp on an amiga?
[14:06:18] <Link Mauve> Sure.
[14:06:50] <Link Mauve> My first XMPP client was built for a significantly more limited computer than my Amiga.
[14:07:13] <oli> could servers not use temporary jids for muc and translate between temp jid and my personal jid?
[14:13:30] <Ge0rG> oli: yes
[14:13:46] <Ge0rG> this is how MIX is going to do it, and it's a huge pile of ~shi~ complexity
[14:14:09] <oli> ok
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[14:46:42] <Ge0rG> Speaking of spam... https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist just got its first entry.
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[14:58:21] <Licaon_Kter> Ge0rG: just one? I can scroll above and find a dozen, what gives?
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[15:03:09] <MattJ> Licaon_Kter, a dozen where? You mean mentioned in this MUC?
[15:03:43] <MattJ> Maybe you didn't read the content at https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist
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[15:17:48] <Licaon_Kter> > otr.chat
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[15:18:10] <Licaon_Kter> > a list: blackjabber.cc, 0nl1ne.cc, xabber.de, jabber.cd, draugr.de, unstable.nl, jabberes.org, simple-systems.ru, xmpp.re, ubuntu-jabber.de, j3ws.biz, kolporter.com.pl, call2ru.com, legalize.li, jabber.tcpreset.net, beepconnect.com, itkad.ru, securejabber.me, onex.rooseveltdc.com, jabber.sibnet.ru, gnude.feste-ip.net, gug9sch.xyz, darkengine.biz, aquilius.de, jabber.hasufell.com, chat.hoferr.ch, xjabber.org, blug.moe, paranoid.scarab.name, xmpp.su, miranda.im, jabber.netzgehirn.de, fin77.info, nyarghr.com, sj.ms, privat-jabber.com, andrzejszczepaniak.co.uk, xmpp.hsbp.org, xmpp.sh,

[15:18:22] <Licaon_Kter> > my top10 of approximately the last two weeks:
> messages bots domain
> ---------- ---------- ------------------------------------
> 5630 1748 jabber.tcpreset.net
> 3917 1111 otr.chat
> 3318 2776 blackjabber.com
> 2918 2419 jabberes.org
> 2628 571 jabber.crans.org
> 2574 874 jabber.ozerki.net
> 2561 2109 xmpp.re
> 2086 1592 unstable.nl
> 1866 1548 deshalbfrei.org
> 1862 1483 xabber.de

[15:18:24] <Licaon_Kter> Etc
[15:18:27] <MattJ> Licaon_Kter, those servers are used by normal users
[15:18:42] <MattJ> so if you block them, you can prevent ordinary users from communicating
[15:18:46] <Licaon_Kter> And you can vouch that otr.chat is not?
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[15:19:10] <Licaon_Kter> Anyway... A good start :)
[15:19:10] <MattJ> Efforts have been made to contact the admin of otr.chat to resolve the spam issue with their server
[15:19:26] <MattJ> Have you made any effort to contact the admins of the servers in that list?
[15:19:28] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, how are you keeping track of which servers fixed their outgoing spam issues?
[15:19:35] <edhelas> MattJ at one moment you need to end up with those kind of decisions, if your mail server is spamming the whole planet, don't be surprised that your legit users cannot send mails to the other servers
[15:19:50] <Link Mauve> I can see some in your list which fixed it, for instance.
[15:19:52] <MattJ> edhelas, exactly
[15:19:58] <Licaon_Kter> Link Mauve: I'm not...having this issue
[15:20:08] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, you are.
[15:20:19] <Licaon_Kter> Link Mauve: not my lists, search this MUC history
[15:20:35] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, the list you just posted, anyway.
[15:20:35] <Licaon_Kter> i quoted Ge0rG and Neustradamus
[15:20:51] <Ge0rG> edhelas: and some RBLs are notoriously known for listing everybody and not delisting anybody.
[15:20:55] <Ge0rG> I don't want to end up *there*
[15:21:16] <Ge0rG> Licaon_Kter: what's your point?
[15:21:27] <Ge0rG> You can blacklist all the domains on your private server.
[15:21:37] <Ge0rG> if you run a public server, you need to make a trade-off
[15:22:11] <Ge0rG> if you run a public blacklist that other public server operators should have a good feeling to add, you need to have policies about addition and removal
[15:23:34] <Ge0rG> I've brought down a bunch of spam servers now, by documenting and reporting the abuse.
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[15:34:25] <Licaon_Kter> Ge0rG:
> I've brought down a bunch of spam servers now, by documenting and reporting the abuse.
Great
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[22:11:13] <Neustradamus> Licaon_Kter: I think you have not taken all the list, I have published other too ^^
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[22:17:50] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus: ;))
[22:18:15] <Neustradamus> Please look your history ;)
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