XMPP Service Operators - 2019-02-03


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  64. Neustradamus For your information: - https://docs.tigase.net/tigase-server/8.0.0-RC1/Administration_Guide/html/#_bouncycastle_being_used_for_starttls - https://docs.tigase.net/tigase-server/8.0.0-RC1/Administration_Guide/html/#_changes_in_password_storage
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  123. tom edhelas, installing prosody on an embedded device?
  124. tom is that a good idea?
  125. tom how do I turn off the user join user was kick user left messages in gajim?
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  147. Link Mauve tom, it is off by default since Gajim 1.0.
  148. tom I can't use gajim 1
  149. tom I'm on Gajim 0.16
  150. Link Mauve I think there was something in the advanced configuration editor for that back then.
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  199. Licaon_Kter tom: Windows XP?
  200. tom no
  201. tom gtk+3 isn't stable
  202. Licaon_Kter tom: then, why stuck on that old version?
  203. tom gajim 1 removes support for gtk+2
  204. Licaon_Kter tom: is anything ever stable? What does that even mean?
  205. tom gtk2 is
  206. Licaon_Kter And your distro is LTS? Maintained till when?
  207. tom also gtk3 being a complete ui design failure
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  212. tom http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=129186
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  228. MattJ tom, Prosody is quite popular on embedded devices
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  231. Link Mauve tom, note that this is about gtk4’s development process, not about gtk3 which hasn’t broken its API or ABI since its 3.0 release, nor about gtk4 once considered API/ABI stable.
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  233. tom it's not just the abi being changed that's the issue
  234. tom MattJ, I didn't know it was that efficient
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  240. MattJ Well you're obviously not going to fit thousands of users on a small router, but sure, for a handful it's totally fine
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  300. 404.city Spam from akash@jabber.zone in groups chats
  301. Ge0rG 404.city: do you have some raw XML?
  302. Ge0rG I had the impression akash is a real user, participating in a bunch of MUCs
  303. 404.city Ge0rG, This is a real user, one of the developers of the Matrix. He spam inviting everyone to go to the Matrix.
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  305. Ge0rG 404.city: maybe he's not a developer but just an over-eager user, like Neustradamus?
  306. MattJ 404.city, do you have an example message?
  307. 404.city Ge0rG, What does it matter who he is. He told me that the client is writing for the matrix.
  308. 404.city [08:46:21 AM] Akash: 时间尝试matrix [08:48:00 AM] Akash: 结果非常好看,看起来比以前好多了。
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  310. Ge0rG I can't even read that.
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  312. 404.city [10:04:25 AM] Akash: > Akash: Changing message app each time is a huge challenge. I agree yea. However you get some extra things like room search, end to end encryption in rooms and 1:1 chat which you can access even after uninstalling the app, without requiring a back up of chats or keys in your device, voice, video calls etc
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  315. Ge0rG 404.city: so it's not spam but an attempt to talk you into using matrix?
  316. 404.city Ge0rG, He wrote to the Chinese calling their matrix in Chinese. He generally constantly calls everyone into the matrix.
  317. Ge0rG 404.city: didn't happen to me yet.
  318. 404.city Ge0rG, Go into the matrix and try to say something about XMPP you will be banned immediately
  319. Ge0rG 404.city: last time I went into the matrix, cypher almost killed me.
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  321. Ge0rG 404.city: seriously though, what's your point?
  322. Ge0rG 404.city: did you tell them to stop advertising for matrix?
  323. Ge0rG or are you expecting everybody to ban their JID now from everywhere, based on hearsay?
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  326. MattJ 404
  327. 404.city Ge0rG, The fact that this user is harmful, because the only purpose of finding him in XMPP is to advertise the matrix
  328. MattJ 404.city, I am currently standing next to the people who develop Matrix
  329. Ge0rG MattJ: fast! tell them to ban akash!
  330. MattJ and XMPP developers are having good interesting discussions with Matrix developers
  331. 404.city Ge0rG, Yes, I told him to stop advertising the matrix.
  332. Ge0rG they even implemented XEP-0410!
  333. MattJ Matrix is not one place, it is a protocol, they support different rooms. Each room has admins, just like XMPP
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  335. MattJ I have talked about XMPP in Matrix rooms and not been banned
  336. MattJ I am also talking about Matrix in an XMPP room, and don't expect to be banned either :)
  337. pep. Such a deed
  338. MattJ Spam is not good, but there is a difference between spam and strong opinions
  339. Ge0rG MattJ: this is only because it's technically impossible to ban you from muc.xmpp.org rooms :P
  340. 404.city MattJ, Come and tell me that the matrix servers do not cope well with high-loads, you will get banned
  341. Ge0rG 404.city: XMPP servers don't cope well with high loads.
  342. MattJ It is up to the room admin to decide, I don't think this is a thing that warrants any server admin actions
  343. MattJ 404.city, even the Matrix developers have said that :)
  344. MattJ But they also say they are always improving things
  345. MattJ Just like XMPP has various problems, and we constantly improve
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  347. MattJ So it is not about what you say, but the context and how you say it
  348. 404.city Let the admin server decide jabber.zone, but I do not support advertising Matrix on my server. The client software matrix is good, but the server side is crap.
  349. Ge0rG 404.city: so you disallow certain kinds of free speech on your server?
  350. Ge0rG ban users for saying trigger words?
  351. 404.city The Matrix uses 10 gigabytes of RAM for 50 users and database more 300GB
  352. Ge0rG 404.city: stop it already.
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  354. Ge0rG 404.city: nobody wants to hear your opinion about the matrix *here* :P
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  356. 404.city Ge0rG, This is not my opinion, this is statistics Matrix server disroot.org
  357. Ge0rG 404.city: this is totally off topic here
  358. Ge0rG This room is about XMPP server operators.
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  360. 404.city Ge0rG,Here we are discussing the permissibility of spam, with malicious actions akash@jabber.zone I consider the matrix to be a scam, because they declare a federation, but can there really be a federation with such a consumption of resources?
  361. Ge0rG 404.city: come back later when somebody has written a bot to spam *all* MUCs, and not just to write something manually
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  433. mati (jabber.at) aww man.
  434. mati (jabber.at) I've been an XMPP operator since 2006.
  435. mati (jabber.at) THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SHIT LIKE THIS HAPPENED.
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  438. mati (jabber.at) (note: jabber.zone = jabber.at)
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  441. mathieui mati (jabber.at), what happened?
  442. mathieui (just saw the tweets)
  443. Ge0rG was there an actual incident?
  444. mati (jabber.at) he joined in our channel and posted the JID
  445. Ge0rG who? 404.city?
  446. mati (jabber.at) the one he posted before here too
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  448. mati (jabber.at) yes
  449. Ge0rG so...
  450. Ge0rG not like anything needs to happen now
  451. mati (jabber.at) so in good faith (it's not a new server after all) I blocked the user.
  452. mati (jabber.at) naturally, the user is unblocked now.
  453. mati (jabber.at) still it does show that the XMPP network also has some crazy guys :-)
  454. mati (jabber.at) any other messengers I should advocate over twitter? ^^
  455. Licaon_Kter mati (jabber.at): Briar @briarapp maybe? :))
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  457. mati (jabber.at) is that an XMPP client or something else?
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  463. Licaon_Kter mati (jabber.at): else, of course ;)
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  469. Licaon_Kter Jokes aside I understand 404.city, but c'mon, if XMPP is better there's nothing to talk about...let them go....
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  472. Holger Problem is it isn't better 😉
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  475. 404.city holger, The matrix has a problem with the servers, there really is a problem.
  476. mati (jabber.at) wether one is better or not it's not acceptable to block users because they advocate a competing technology. It makes a very good point for them.
  477. 404.city holger, The matrix uses too many resources, so it is impossible to start a public server on it
  478. Licaon_Kter 404.city: then don't (re)start one...let them go and bother/load someone else
  479. 404.city mati (jabber.at), You removed the server from your list, you censor even more than me
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  481. mati (jabber.at) https://xkcd.com/1357/
  482. mati (jabber.at) but in any case, I consider this matter closed. The user is restored, I will be more weary of spam reports in the future (lesson learned) and I see no reason to continue the discussion.
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  493. Ge0rG 404.city: thank you for damaging our legitimate spam fighting efforts.
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  499. mati (jabber.at) now this guy is blocking s2s communication with jabber.at
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  502. mati (jabber.at) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  503. mati (jabber.at) (or only jabber.zone, apperantly)
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  512. pep. hah, just saw the tweet, (and finally understand the discussion)
  513. pep. fun.
  514. pep. I feel that's another call for <moved/>
  515. mathieui what about a new "user activity" in PEP for "advertising other services"?
  516. mathieui (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0108.html#activities)
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  528. 404.city Shit happens)
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  541. ivucica What a drama
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