XSF logo XMPP Service Operators - 2019-04-14


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  40. Douglas Terabyte What's the news on when this is going to happen? https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sox.html
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  42. Douglas Terabyte Cuz, my development team really want to use SIP over XMPP.
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  44. Douglas Terabyte Being able to self host SIP by using an XMPP account would be awesome.
  45. Douglas Terabyte I mean, this would probably work as well. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0167.html
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  52. Douglas Terabyte You guys already support this as well. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0262.html
  53. Douglas Terabyte All that is left is https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sox.html to tie it together.
  54. Douglas Terabyte How does one get a new XMPP extension approved?
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  56. tom Douglas Terabyte, The core specifications for XMPP are developed at the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) - see RFC 6120, RFC 6121, and RFC 7622 (along with a WebSocket binding defined in RFC 7395).
  57. tom https://www.ietf.org/
  58. tom Douglas Terabyte, https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/
  59. tom Douglas Terabyte, you might find this interesting
  60. tom https://diode.zone/videos/watch/8c58df50-cc22-44a3-88da-c23d5ec32bda
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  82. Douglas Terabyte I did fin this interesting, thanks for the link :)
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  123. Link Mauve tom, Douglas Terabyte, most of the current XMPP extensions go through a standardisation process at the XSF, not at the IETF.
  124. Link Mauve You can do so at the IETF too for sure, but that’s in general more for protocols which need integration with other IETF specifications, like recently XMPP over WebSocket.
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  126. Link Mauve Douglas Terabyte, as for SIP integration, you can already use Asterisk for instance to translate between Jingle and SIP.
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  131. Link Mauve There are also libraries which convert between SDP and Jingle, such as sdp-jingle-json from OTalk.
  132. Douglas Terabyte Oh! So what would it take for SoX to be a standardized XMPP extension then?
  133. Link Mauve Douglas Terabyte, it seems weird to standardise SIP over XMPP while we already have Jingle which mostly every single client already supports.
  134. Link Mauve Which is probably the reason it got dropped.
  135. Link Mauve (Same for the plain text SDP transport XEP.)
  136. Link Mauve (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-sdp.html)
  137. Link Mauve Also, this room is about service operators, to discuss protocols xsf@muc.xmpp.org is a lot more appropriate.
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  144. Douglas Terabyte Thank you for the information and sorry if I am talking in the wrong room for this.
  145. Link Mauve No problem. :)
  146. Link Mauve You’re just more likely to get quality answers in the on-topic room about the protocols.
  147. Douglas Terabyte The reason why I was asking is I am working on a development group that wants to use an encrypted and decentralized platform for texting, group chats, calling, group calling, and video chatting. The best I could think of was running SIP over XMPP. That is until I learned that XMPP has it's own native system called Jingle.
  148. Link Mauve You may want to have a look at Jitsi Meet, it’s an XMPP client using Jingle to do visioconference.
  149. Link Mauve https://meet.jit.si/
  150. Douglas Terabyte I am also unfamiliar with XMPP's server setup and would like to learn as much as I can from your group on how to self host XMPP for my projects goals.
  151. Link Mauve It uses two components on the server side to lower the bandwidth requirements in clients.
  152. Douglas Terabyte Jitsi Meet you say?
  153. Link Mauve Yes.
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  156. Douglas Terabyte Something looks fishy with the website
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  159. Link Mauve What does?
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  166. Douglas Terabyte I don't know, the links to the privacy breaching social media websites. I could just be acting paranoid because this software looks too good to be true.
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  171. MattJ It is true, you can host it yourself if you want
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  174. Douglas Terabyte I will share it with my group and test it out. Thanks :)
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  187. Douglas Terabyte Nevermind
  188. Douglas Terabyte MattJ: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/37219/
  189. MattJ Can you tell me what on that page you specifically have a problem with?
  190. Douglas Terabyte Jitsi Meet uses Google CrashLytics and Google Firebase Analytics.
  191. Link Mauve Douglas Terabyte, that’s just an Android application wrapper around their web code, AIUI.
  192. Link Mauve You haven’t given much details about what you actually want to build, is it an Android application?
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  196. Douglas Terabyte I'm trying to find or make a XMPP/SIP client to migrate my developers and other group members away from centralized and insecure platforms such as Telegram and Discord. I just want to achieve basic feature parity with what we have already been using. We need a desktop/mobile client that offers texting, calling, video chat, group chats, and group calling but all encrypted. XMPP and SIP fit the bill the best since they are literal internet protocols that can be used with any compatible client.
  197. MattJ So are you planning on just using another service? or running your own?
  198. Douglas Terabyte Self hosting would be optimal
  199. Douglas Terabyte We are really set on using either XMPP or SIP or a combination of both protocols.
  200. Douglas Terabyte We have also considered Mumble, but it isn't as scalable as SIP and XMPP.
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  205. Douglas Terabyte Sorry if I am continuing an unrelated topic to this channel.
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  211. Licaon_Kter Douglas Terabyte: not really offtopic, imho I'm playing with SIP now to some degree...
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  574. meaz > Jitsi Meet uses Google CrashLytics and Google Firebase Analytics. That is for the android application only and through google play. You can build your own if I remember correctly.
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  582. tom google spyware
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