XSF logo XMPP Service Operators - 2019-05-06


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  9. tom Anybody run ejabberd?
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  29. bowlofeggs tom: me
  30. tom how many users do you have bowlofeggs ?
  31. bowlofeggs Very few, maybe 5-7. Not for business
  32. tom Why did you choose ejabberd over other server software bowlofeggs ?
  33. bowlofeggs tom: it was years ago so I don't recall all the analysis, but I liked that it was easy to deploy and had good support for various XEPs, and that it is active
  34. bowlofeggs I can't say I did an extremely thorough analysis, but I've been running it for years and it works great
  35. bowlofeggs I actually maintain the ejabberd package in fedora now too
  36. tom sure. I Understand that. But would you say Prosody fulfills those of at least being easy to deploy and having good XEP support now?
  37. tom I'm not sure how Prosody was years ago, As I've only recently been hosting my own XMPP
  38. bowlofeggs I haven't tried prosody so can't comment on its deployment ease, but I'd expect it also checks the xep and activeness boxes
  39. bowlofeggs As a programmer I do think that Erlang is a pretty great choice for a messaging server too
  40. bowlofeggs It's a language that specializes in that
  41. bowlofeggs So that was attractive too
  42. bowlofeggs I'm not an Erlang programmer myself, but I appreciate "right tool for the job" thinking
  43. tom really? I'm not faimiler with Erlang, but Prosody being written in Lua, I know that Lua is certainly not the fastest language in the world, about on par with Python, albeit slightly less hand holding and more flexability, it certainly fast enough for most things and more than adequate for hosting at least a couple hundred users
  44. tom sorta how C is certainly fast and flexable, but for some tasks a simple BaSH script is more than adequate
  45. bowlofeggs Erlang isn't a fast language either, but it specializes in message passing and distributed computing
  46. bowlofeggs It's more that I appreciate the engineering choice behind the decision to go with that language
  47. bowlofeggs Erlang makes it easier for applications to scale
  48. bowlofeggs Some of the largest messaging networks in the world use Erlang
  49. bowlofeggs Iirc tmobiles SMS is all done in erlang
  50. bowlofeggs But that's just me appreciating an engineering choice, remember
  51. tom I ask because I know someone trying to setup their own XMPP server for themselves and a few friends, and they chose to do that with EjabberD. They seem to be having a lot of trouble doing so, and spending a significant amount of time implementing more XEPs as they find they need them, or even just setting up crypto properly
  52. tom coming from a Prosody background, I couldn't see why the choise of ejabberd was made since this person was not trying to host 100,000 users
  53. bowlofeggs Ah. Well I personally thought it was pretty straightforward to deploy, but ynmv of course
  54. tom ynmv?
  55. bowlofeggs How did they deploy? Distribution package? From source?
  56. bowlofeggs Your mileage may vary
  57. tom I don't know
  58. tom I mostly deploy my Prosody from OpenBSD
  59. tom there's a package for it in OpenBSD
  60. bowlofeggs It might be harder if they needed to deploy from source, but if they use a distribution package it should be fairly straightforward id think
  61. bowlofeggs The only real effort I put into mine is keeping the fedora package itself up to date, since I'm the maintainer
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  84. tom https://upload.nuegia.net:5281/upload/RGn9wDjzkDcbJHQG/02%20Force%20Legato%20System.flac
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  87. Licaon_Kter tom: > They seem to be having a lot of trouble doing so, and spending a significant amount of time implementing more XEPs as they find they need them, or even just setting up crypto properly They are coding missing XEPs? Which ones?
  88. tom I don't think they were coding XEPs themselves, more just enabling features
  89. tom again, I didn't ask for details
  90. Jonny I installed ejabberd the first time with 18.04, and compared to postfix and dovecot it was easy to setup 😁
  91. Jonny It's not as easy as a simple web app with a db but if you just adjust the default config where needed then it's OK
  92. Licaon_Kter tom: The out of the box config ( https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.yml.example ) should give you close to 100% on compliance.conversations.im
  93. tom I'l send them that link
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  97. Licaon_Kter tom: but then again, if they chose something like aenigma to "ease" their setup and digged themselves a bigger hole....
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  557. Medications Hi
  558. Licaon_Kter Medications: yo
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  592. lark027@jabbim.cz hi
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