XSF logo XMPP Service Operators - 2019-05-27


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  262. Ge0rG I'm receiving 503-cancel error bounces for typing notifications, which were sent to the bare JID of a 404.city (ejabberd 18.12) user. Is that default ejabberd behavior or some weird misconfiguration?
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  264. Ge0rG <message id="7166059f-5b20-450e-bc7d-af127b4b2ed6-25FD6" type="error" from="******@404.city" to="georg@yax.im/poezio-****" xml:lang="en"> <composing xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/chatstates"/> <error type="cancel" code="503"> <service-unavailable xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/> <text xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas" xml:lang="en">User session not found</text> </error> </message>
  265. Ge0rG holger (lowercase or uppercase), do you have a clue?
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  270. Holger Ge0rG: This is probably 0198 timeout, behavior depends on config and on the client supporting MAM.
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  272. Holger Shouldn't happen in most™ cases.
  273. Ge0rG Holger: the errors come immediately after the CSN
  274. Ge0rG That would be very atypical for 0198
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  279. Holger Ah yes sorry, 0198 would be 'User session terminated'.
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  282. Holger Sorry yes depends on config but default is to not write CSN to offline storage, in which case they'll be bounced.
  283. Ge0rG This is weird.
  284. Link Mauve I’ve seen that same behaviour on many spammer JIDs.
  285. Link Mauve So it sounds like a bad default.
  286. Ge0rG Link Mauve: spammers bounce CSNs?
  287. Link Mauve Ge0rG, they are most likely disconnected by the time I send them a CSN, and it’s the host server replying.
  288. Ge0rG Link Mauve: I know you have weird hobbies, but sending CSNs to spammers!?! 😁
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  291. Holger By now I remember adding that behavior myself for 0160 compliance.
  292. Holger > Messages with a 'type' attribute whose value is "chat" SHOULD be stored offline, with the exception of messages that contain only Chat State Notifications (XEP-0085) [7] content (such messages SHOULD NOT be stored offline).
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  294. Holger So how would the non-weird behavior be then?
  295. Ge0rG TIL
  296. Holger Store offline or drop silently?
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  298. Holger Or just check whatever Prosody does :-P
  299. Ge0rG Holger: if you have a special rule for CSN-only messages: drop them silently
  300. Holger But why?
  301. Holger How does an error hurt?
  302. Holger XMPP is generating too few and too bad errors, not too many.
  303. Ge0rG Uh-oh. I'm having some significant lag. Looks like yax.im will go down today
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  306. Holger > For a message stanza of type "normal" or "chat", the server SHOULD either (a) add the message to offline storage or (b) return a stanza error to the sender, which SHOULD be <service-unavailable/>.
  307. Holger I should violate another SHOULD because?
  308. Ge0rG Holger: 12:01:53 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:02:20 Ge0rG> Hey there! 12:02:28 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:02:41 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:02:56 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:03:07 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:03:13 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:03:30 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found 12:03:33 Ge0rG> [some more text] 12:03:55 *****@404.city: 503 - cancel: User session not found
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  310. Holger Looks like weird client error reporting to me.
  311. Ge0rG Holger: so should a client suppress error messages?
  312. Ge0rG XMPP is displaying too few and too bad errors, not too many.
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  314. Ge0rG XMPP 2.0 will solve all our problems
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  316. Holger Yes I think it should not expose errors that way.
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  319. Ge0rG Holger: I'm sure you have an alternative proposal.
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  326. Holger Well for <message/> bounces, I think clients should add an indicator to the displayed outgoing message. If the error doesn't map to a displayed message and the client has no other reason to process it, drop it (apart from debug logging).
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  329. Holger "My client blindly throws all errors verbatim to the user" doesn't sound like a good reasoning for servers violating SHOULD clauses by adding special-casing to the code, to me.
  330. Holger But yes I don't really like the special-casing of CSN in 0160 in the first place, either.
  331. Ge0rG Holger: just change the special-casing to silently drop CSNs.
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  334. Ge0rG Holger: I think there is some value in diplaying errors that don't directly map to a sent message-with-a-body
  335. Holger Yes if it's obvious no client will ever be interested in that error under any circumstances that should be added to 0160. It's not immediately obvious to me, sorry.
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  339. Ge0rG Holger: CSNs are ephemeral
  340. Ge0rG so silently dropping them is not damaging IMO
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  342. Ge0rG In XMPP 2.0, they will be replaced by directed presence.
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  344. Holger > I think there is some value in diplaying errors that don't directly map to a sent message-with-a-body Then clients should inspect the error. I'm aware the original stanza is not always included, for whatever reason. In the case where it isn't there's obviously just so much the client can do.
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  347. Ge0rG Holger: can you fight this out with the poezio devs? ;)
  348. Holger :-)
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  351. Holger MCabber isn't much better but at least doesn't display those errors inline but in a separate status buffer, so they don't annoy me.
  352. Ge0rG While I'm fixing resource locking in profanity...
  353. Ge0rG Holger: I hope you won't ever not see a _relevant_ error message in that status buffer
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  359. Holger No errors that *can* be mapped to outgoing messages actually do produce a proper indication inline (plus the error in the status buffer).
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  362. Holger So it's mostly fine; I just meant that I don't really want my status buffer being spammed with CSN errors and similar either.
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  367. Ge0rG So what am I supposed to do now to fix it?
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  378. Holger I'm not being lazy but really not convinced this should be changed server-side, sorry.
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  381. Holger The admin can also configure mod_offline not to store *any* message without body. Should I drop them all in that case? Or still special-case CSNs?
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  387. Ge0rG Holger: special-case CSN
  388. Holger :-(
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