XMPP Service Operators - 2020-03-11


  1. edhelas

    O_o

  2. Link Mauve

    I remember using that.

  3. edhelas

    so you can launch irssi within SSH over XMPP 🤔

  4. bowlofeggs

    and you could ssh to a machine to do that

  5. bowlofeggs

    and you could set up an XMPP <--> IRC gateway somewhere in this puzzle as well

  6. edhelas

    🤯

  7. mss_cyclist

    Does anyone know a good European privacy disclaimer template? If possible for the Netherlands. It is ridiculous what you need to cover...

  8. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/GDPR#Q1.2:_What_consequences_does_the_GDPR_has_for_the_XMPP_server_operators

  9. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: top. I was not aware of this. It is a really good base. May I use this or do I have to give credits for it?

  10. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: we developed it back in the day as a template for xmpp service operators

  11. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: TBH, I wrote it for https://yaxim.org/yax.im/privacy/ and the it got templated

  12. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: Nice. May I use your privacy and tos as a template as well?

  13. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: feel free. just remove my name from it ;)

  14. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: Thanks

  15. jonas’

    insert obligatory "IANAL" here, Ge0rG

  16. mss_cyclist

    Do you need to provide a lust of data which you gather from users as well as a person responsible for processing that data in Germany?

  17. Ge0rG

    that!

  18. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: it depends on how good your lawyers are

  19. mss_cyclist

    Haha

  20. mss_cyclist

    Why that?

  21. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: because GDPR is complicated and not easy to interpret

  22. mss_cyclist

    Yeah. In the Dutch version of it they do mention this responsible person and a list which must be at hand immediately for the authorities. Wondering if this us part if the GDPR or if this is a Dutch speciality to make it even more difficult to offer a free XMPP service.

  23. mss_cyclist

    s/us/is

  24. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: I'm pretty sure it's based on the GDPR.

  25. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: depending on how critical the data is and how much of it you hoard, you might or might not have to create "Records of processing activities"

  26. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: So talking about plain standard xmpp server (ejabberd)

  27. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: while I'm sure there is no strict legal need to outline all those things in the privacy policy, I consider it a good practice for a public xmpp service.

  28. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: any standard xmpp server, yes

  29. mss_cyclist

    There should be no critical data logged. Except for what the user willingly shares with other users by messaging.

  30. jonas’

    which could be quite critical :)

  31. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: So, you have such a list?

  32. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: it's right there in the template

  33. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: I did not mean this. More like this one (docx): https://www.dsgvo-verstehen-bayern.de/cms/upload/Downloads/Vereine/Verzeichnis-von-Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten_Stand_19.07.18.docx

  34. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: I'm not going to open random malware

  35. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: sorry. I was searching for this link: https://www.ldi.nrw.de/mainmenu_Datenschutz/submenu_Verzeichnis-Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten/Inhalt/Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten/Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten.html

  36. mss_cyclist

    There are some pdf templates

  37. mss_cyclist

    This is another dimension than these standard disclaimers I come across

  38. Ge0rG

    mss_cyclist: hmm... right. Not sure how large the overlap is, and I'm currently not in a position to work on GDPR. Sorry

  39. mss_cyclist

    Ge0rG: No problem. We are no lawyers. I thought this is not only an issue for me, but for all European operators. So I was questioning myself wheater anyone else came across these additional documents which apparantly need to be kept track of.

  40. tom

    My prosody server keeps crashing

  41. tom

    11.4 linux

  42. tom

    No idea why. Nothing in logs

  43. Ellenor Malik

    Switch to another jabber server

  44. tom

    Why?

  45. tom

    I've changed logging level from info to debug

  46. tom

    Hopefully if it happens it something will say some info

  47. tom

    I would like to find the cause before going though all the work of converting server

  48. jonas’

    tom, check dmesg

  49. tom

    lua5.2[12433]: segfault at 307be564 ip 00005649bbfa4652 sp 00007fff00a11760 error 4 in lua5.2[5649bbf92000+31000]

  50. tom

    I didn;t know Lua could segfault

  51. jonas’

    tom, report that in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?joinM

  52. jonas’

    tom, report that in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?join