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  447. Martin Anybody knows why I get a penalty on the ciphers? https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=mdosch.de&type=server#ciphers
  448. Martin Also the cipherlist seems incomplete as cryptcheck or testssl.sh see more: https://cryptcheck.fr/xmpp/mdosch.de
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  451. jonas’ cipherlist doesn’t load here
  452. jonas’ maybe it’s not finished yet?
  453. jonas’ it also shows a Grade A now
  454. jonas’ ah, yeah, cipherscore isn’t at 100% though
  455. jonas’ not sure why
  456. Martin Yeah, I just rerun the test that's why it was not yet finished when you looked.
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  508. mss_cyclist Do you experience as well that xmpp.net is fu*in' slow last time?
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  511. mss_cyclist Martin: Just an idea: > Server does not respect the client's cipher ordering.
  512. mss_cyclist >TLSv1 No >TLSv1.1 No
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  519. Martin Dunno. TLS v1 is deprecated so why should I use it.
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  532. mss_cyclist Sure, at least it is some feedback given. I suppose all gray fields should be green. And these exist but are gray. So I think they might be needed for max. score
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  535. Martin No, actually only ciphers are not 100% so protocol level is fine.
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  612. tom I don't think forcing server preferred cipher order is a good thing despite what qualsys says
  613. tom As long as you only allow string ciphers and hmacs, like AESGCM256+EDH:chacha20poly1305:ecdh (not my exact cipher line just an example) it's better to let the client pick which ones out of those it wants to use
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  617. tom The client is going to know best wither or not it has AES-NI hardware offload, or if chacha20 might be a better option given it's arch
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  619. tom Or if the client's entropy source is suspect and it wants to use a cipher that doesn't explode in a ball of fire spectacularly if entropy runs out mid-way through a session like chacha20
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  637. Martin I think prosody/luasec does this. At least I'm not aware forcing the order.
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