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XMPP Summit discussion

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[12:18:07] <stpeter> yay
[12:18:07] <MattJ> Beat you ;)
[12:18:30] <MattJ> I see Swift doesn't support MUC admin yet
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[12:18:53] <stpeter> yay for xmpp.org :)
[12:18:58] <linuxwolf> (-:
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[12:19:19] <Fritzy> which server is xmpp.org? Tigase? Prosody?
[12:19:24] <Fritzy> Prosody, isn't it?
[12:19:29] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Yeh
[12:20:04] <stpeter> sigh, mysqld still hogging memory on athena
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[12:20:12] <Fritzy> don't talk about my wife that way
[12:20:20] <bear> :)
[12:20:37] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Lol
[12:20:43] <stpeter> athena.jabber.org, sorry
[12:20:44] <linuxwolf> "yo mama..."
[12:20:54] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Let's advertise this room at the end of the talk
[12:21:17] <Fritzy> hm, k
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[12:22:52] <stpeter> bear: what time is it for you?!?
[12:23:00] <bear> 0720
[12:23:05] <stpeter> ah
[12:23:09] <stpeter> not insane
[12:23:13] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Why are you already awake?
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[12:23:23] <Fritzy> he's been awake since like 3am
[12:23:30] <bear> well, I pulled a couple all night coding sessions earlier in the week
[12:23:37] <bear> so I was already on a funny schedule
[12:24:05] <bear> learning how to hook Solr to my project
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[12:25:34] <Fritzy> Matt can see all of our JIDS!
[12:26:49] <MattJ> There isn't anyone here who isn't already in my roster ;)
[12:27:09] <Fritzy> You mean that you and Artur talk? Don't you hate eachother because you have competing products?!
[12:27:40] <MattJ> I said on my roster, not that we talk ;)
[12:27:44] <Fritzy> haha
[12:27:57] <MattJ> Artur is always DND :)
[12:28:16] <Fritzy> yeah, you just have to interrupt him on occasion, right Artur?
[12:29:00] <Fritzy> you're just supposed to feel bad about it.
[12:29:06] <MattJ> :)
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[12:30:26] <Artur Hefczyc> hehe
[12:31:02] <Artur Hefczyc> I am indeed DND, because if I set I am busy, people don't care, DND somehow works better ;-)
[12:33:26] <Artur Hefczyc> Fritzy: by the way, I don't hate MattJ :-)
[12:34:00] <Fritzy> I know. I'm just giving you guys crap. :D
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[12:35:08] <Artur Hefczyc> :-D
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[12:36:07] <Artur Hefczyc> back to coding… ;-)
[12:36:12] <stpeter> :)
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[12:46:50] <stpeter> go Sleek!
[12:47:01] <Fritzy> haha
[12:48:50] <Fritzy> embarrassing. :)
[12:49:47] <Fritzy> servers are a lot more work, but developers don't have to care about them as much.
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[12:50:21] <stpeter> what's embarrassing?
[12:51:08] *stpeter looks at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0009.html for the first time in years
[12:51:23] <Fritzy> :)
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[12:53:04] <bear> make sure to remind speakers to put their slides someplace that can be linked to
[12:53:14] <stpeter> bear: thanks, will do
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[12:55:15] <stpeter> was this guy for real about his nasty non-disclosure agreement, or is he just coding up an echo bot here? :)
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[13:01:48] <Fritzy> I just merged his pull-request to the develop branch of SleekXMPP.
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[13:02:35] <Fritzy> corning me publicly in a talk is a good way to get that done.
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[13:03:49] <linuxwolf> I would have put something together *before* showing up...
[13:06:47] <Fritzy> yeah, it took a little more time because of that, but not too bad
[13:07:01] <Fritzy> and it did work the first time, which is a miracle. :)
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[13:07:26] <Fritzy> louiz’: where'd you go?
[13:07:54] <linuxwolf> that was amazing…I would have been doing a number of edits as illiterate as I am
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[13:09:44] <louiz’> Fritzy, I took some food :p
[13:10:20] <Fritzy> you missed a good talk about Sleek. ;)
[13:10:25] <Fritzy> or wait, it was about RPC
[13:10:39] <linuxwolf> via Sleek
[13:10:44] <linuxwolf> so you can take *some* credit
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[13:12:31] <linuxwolf> this is hilarious
[13:14:03] <stpeter> the question is: will Edwin get his wallet back at the end?
[13:14:22] <linuxwolf> maybe we should start taking bets...
[13:14:35] <Fritzy> he'll get it back, but without any money left in it
[13:15:38] <Artur Hefczyc> I have my passport too, maybe I can walk around and collect some wallets too...
[13:15:43] <stpeter> :)
[13:15:49] <linuxwolf> (-:
[13:15:52] <Fritzy> it could work.
[13:15:52] <bmalkow> :-)
[13:16:30] <bmalkow> you don't get my wallet
[13:17:27] <Fritzy> he'd doing pretty good considering last night
[13:17:32] <Fritzy> *he's
[13:17:32] <stpeter> :)
[13:19:14] <Fritzy> >_<
[13:19:19] <linuxwolf> that's awesome
[13:19:25] *linuxwolf takes notes for his next presentation
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[13:20:13] <stpeter> linuxwolf: :)
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[13:20:42] <Florian> no one else interested in a SIM card?
[13:20:58] <linuxwolf> I wish I had unlocked my phone before arriving
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[13:21:20] <hildjj> can you not do it from a non-home network?
[13:22:14] <bmalkow> florian: I want one
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[13:23:06] <linuxwolf> I could probably get the unlock process started from here, but it takes them 1-2 business days send the appropriate SMSes
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[13:28:04] <Florian> linuxwolf: pity :)
[13:28:16] <linuxwolf> /shrug … live and learn (-:
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[13:43:56] <Florian> we should flip the sign back to open
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[14:38:02] <louiz’> Fritzy, what is the last (huge) commit you just did, on develop?
[14:38:41] <louiz’> Is that what the conf I missed was about? (when I was gone to eat)
[14:39:49] <Fritzy> that was merging in RPC
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[14:40:24] <louiz’> ok
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[15:05:31] <MattJ> Are there any plans for meeting up tonight yet?
[15:05:41] <Florian> Chinese?
[15:05:49] <Florian> I think he's expecting us tonight anyway :p
[15:05:50] <MattJ> As long as we have a Prosody table, sure
[15:05:59] <Fritzy> haha
[15:06:01] <Florian> lol
[15:06:02] <Fritzy> a Prosody table?
[15:06:11] <Florian> but the Tigase table can scale
[15:06:17] <Florian> it'll be able to handle a lot more food :D
[15:06:47] <MattJ> Fritzy: want to organise a meeting of the Prosody folk that are here, we may as well piggy-back on any existing XMPP meetup happening
[15:07:01] <Fritzy> ah
[15:14:42] <Florian> I think the chinese place is a nice idea
[15:15:07] <louiz’> I like it
[15:15:12] <louiz’> (if place = restaurant)
[15:15:17] <linuxwolf> +1
[15:16:29] <louiz’> seems like the mozilla guys have a laser tag game organized after their restaurant :o
[15:19:55] <louiz’> (just an idea ;D)
[15:19:56] <Florian> ooh
[15:20:01] <Florian> we could do that :)
[15:20:59] <Fritzy> Has Google caught up on the modern Jingle XEPs?
[15:21:35] <Florian> they're getting quite close
[15:21:37] <Florian> afaik
[15:21:55] <Fritzy> I noticed they updated libjingle.
[15:25:54] <Fritzy> I'm the clap starter.
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[15:37:45] <stpeter> has Simon arrived? I stepped away for a few minutes
[15:37:59] <stpeter> there he is :)
[15:38:18] <Fritzy> yeah
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[15:55:05] <Florian Jensen> should I check if we can get some LaserTag reservation after dinner tonight?
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[16:00:52] <Fritzy> meh
[16:00:57] <linuxwolf> nah
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[16:05:15] <louiz’> or something else?
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[16:25:06] <MattJ> Coding!!
[16:25:22] <Florian Jensen> but every coder needs a dinner break :)
[16:25:31] <MattJ> *every* coder?
[16:25:56] <Artur Hefczyc> I have just committed some code
[16:26:13] <Artur Hefczyc> cool performance improvement :-)
[16:26:27] <MattJ> Artur Hefczyc: Added more threads? :)
[16:26:32] <Artur Hefczyc> lol
[16:26:37] <Artur Hefczyc> enough threads
[16:26:50] <Artur Hefczyc> no more
[16:26:54] <MattJ> Good idea
[16:27:12] <MattJ> <-- developer of a server that uses *1* thread, and shall for the forseeable future :)
[16:27:19] <Florian Jensen> hehe
[16:27:36] <MattJ> Well, one primary thread
[16:27:44] <MattJ> there's blocking stuff we'll use threads for
[16:27:53] <MattJ> but I don't think threads are the best way to scale
[16:28:20] <Artur Hefczyc> agree, threads are not to scale, threads are to use multiple cpus
[16:28:32] <MattJ> Good
[16:28:48] <MattJ> Considered multiple processes?
[16:29:02] <MattJ> jabberd*-style
[16:29:51] <Artur Hefczyc> i don't know jabberd style, but Tigase can be deployed as multiple processes, I mean you can "externalize" Tigase's components to external processes/machines
[16:30:32] <Artur Hefczyc> I guess this is different from what you are talking about
[16:30:41] <MattJ> I get the feeling Tigase is very like jabberd's architecture, but built into a single process
[16:30:49] <MattJ> jabberd had components for everything
[16:31:09] <MattJ> a c2s component, s2s component, sessionmanager, router (which would route between them)
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[16:31:36] <MattJ> Scaling is by having multiple c2s or s2s components to handle connections, jabberd2 added support for multiple sessionmanagers
[16:31:36] <Artur Hefczyc> hm, interesting, I didn't know that, but yes, Tigase is exactly like this, everything is component
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[16:34:11] <Artur Hefczyc> you can do this in the Tigase as well, but it is not used for scaling, scaling is done through clustering
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[16:35:39] <stpeter> hi Wayne, you found us :)
[16:35:52] <Wayne Franklin> :)
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[16:35:57] <Wayne Franklin> Matt helped me
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[16:36:13] <linuxwolf> coming to the table (-:
[16:39:02] <stpeter> linuxwolf: literally!
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[16:44:18] <MattJ> I love multi-session nicks :)
[16:44:30] <MattJ> Anyway, I have Psi here now, can do some room config...
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[16:50:23] <stpeter> heh
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[19:01:28] <Florian Jensen> hey guys
[19:01:43] <Florian Jensen> for dinner plans, meet up at Le Meridien reception at 8:30
[19:01:43] <bmalkow> hey
[19:02:03] <Florian Jensen> I should make it … depending on traffic I might be 5 − 10 mins late
[19:02:08] <Florian Jensen> cya in a bit
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[19:06:05] <louiz’> Yay, finally found a hotel \o/
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