XMPP Summit - 2013-02-01


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  10. mehyo.homs ‏ Hi
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  25. Steffen Larsen anyone knows when the summit starts out today?… (zZzzzz)
  26. Kev 09:30
  27. Kev Meeting for breakfast at 08:00, same as yesterday.
  28. Steffen Larsen ok thanks, kev
  29. Kev Enn pee.
  30. Steffen Larsen I'll try to get out of bed then..
  31. Kev That sounds like half a good idea.
  32. Kev The good half being 'bed'.
  33. Steffen Larsen :-)
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  69. hildjj https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=f77fca86e01406065c&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
  70. stpeter ?
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  72. Zash Rrrrrr...rain :/
  73. Tobias Zash, yeah...you promised me swedish summer whether....there was less rain in germany :P
  74. Tobias *weather
  75. Zash Tobias: Yeees, so?
  76. hildjj fritzy: you're not missing anything yet. still lots of milling about.
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  79. fritzy hildjj: yup, I can tell. Thanks. :) You're awesome.
  80. fritzy BTW, you've gotten into my head
  81. fritzy I'll have to send you a document I'm working on
  82. bear http://piratepad.net/Y9Wfgxzies <-- I'm taking notes here
  83. fritzy muahaha... I'm the host now
  84. fritzy for some reason
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  87. Dave Cridland Is that Webex™ URL updated in the WIki?
  88. bear it will be...
  89. bear wiki has been updated with webex link
  90. hildjj really, you're giving me crap about the WebEx trademark now? Do you also want to own Cisco™ ?
  91. Zash stpeter: Can I smuggle a friend into the summit?
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  93. lloydwatkin @peter: Jonny Heavey, arriving around lunch time
  94. lloydwatkin @peter: JonnyHeavey, arriving around lunch time.
  95. hildjj Zash: answering for Peter. Yes. Let me know when they get here, and i'll go sign them in at the front desk.
  96. Kev hildjj™, no I think I'm ok about that.
  97. Zash Okay
  98. Zash I'll be there in about the time it takes to take the metro and train etc
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  100. Steffen Larsen the blog: http://blog.fanout.io/2012/10/17/standards-at-the-edge/
  101. stpeter Zash: yes
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  104. fritzy no audio?
  105. bear hildjj is fixing
  106. fritzy it's ok. I think I've said what I have to say about the JSON stuff, other than I'm warming up to Joe's radical ideas.
  107. fritzy Otherwise, you guys have fun.
  108. fritzy I'm going to try to put in a full work day at the office in the morning, so I'm going to head to bed.
  109. fritzy you guys enjoy!
  110. fritzy Thanks for working so hard to let me participate yesterday!
  111. Kev NN fritzy.
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  122. l-fy ehlo Mr. Summit Sir.
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  124. stpeter :)
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  128. bear http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-xmpp-dna-00
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  131. hildjj http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype-01
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  141. lloydwatkin @simon, you have to stop using the m' reference, you'v been marked (see examples) http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/So_simple,_your_mother_could_do_it
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  155. Jef good day
  156. Zash ohai
  157. Jef :)
  158. Jef webex is not working
  159. Zash :(
  160. Jef it says: "The meeting has been cancelled!"
  161. Zash :(
  162. Zash We should try to get MattJ in there too
  163. hildjj https://github.com/quartzjer/js0n/blob/master/js0n.c
  164. hildjj Jef: https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
  165. Jef yes, it works now
  166. Jef thanks
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  168. Jef audio volume is a bit low
  169. stpeter hi Jef, could you please mute?
  170. stpeter we'll look into the audio levels
  171. Kev (Unless you want to talk)
  172. Jef ok
  173. Tobias or type something here if you want someone to proxy your message
  174. Jef i am at work, so there is a lot of noise here
  175. bear can't we add to socket.io an xmpp transport?
  176. bear so that it becomes just another way of hooking clients together
  177. Zash if it's a common api to multiple transports, sure, why not?
  178. Lance that might work. it would map very cleanly to pubsub
  179. Lance and then we really would just implement everything on pubsub
  180. bear ye
  181. Lance https://github.com/superfeedr/xmpp-server
  182. hildjj th
  183. hildjj x
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  185. Zash "Everyone needs to implement Carbons and MAM" also
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  187. Zash I think that MattJ wrote a protoXEP for transporting JSON in XMPP
  188. bear lance - think we could move prosody into redis lua ;)
  189. Lance no
  190. bear awww shucks
  191. Zash what
  192. Zash the
  193. Jef i can't
  194. Jef I guess I will have to type
  195. bear just ignore me - i was just musing about something silly zash
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  197. stpeter http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fis.html
  198. Jef I want to write a client
  199. stpeter notes that Jef has a prtotype impl in Gajim
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  201. Jef it is better if I think
  202. Jef it is better if i type
  203. Zash :D
  204. stpeter maybe -- we had some packet loss
  205. Zash Send out a search party.
  206. Jef lol
  207. Jef if I am taking to long to respond type the question here...
  208. Tobias just type :)
  209. Jef :)
  210. Dave Cridland Skype's chatrooms have filesharing stuffs.
  211. Dave Cridland Seems quite useful.
  212. Jef but the host would be the chatroom?
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  214. darkrain Dave: Brief (one/two sentence?) description of how that works?
  215. Dave Cridland I'm actually not sure. It shows a file offer from a participant, but whether it's proxied by the room or not is hard to say.
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  217. Lance here was my feedback on cleaning up the xml structures in fis: https://gist.github.com/4629838
  218. Jef Lance, we should work together
  219. Zash Not sure, but Skype was P2P-ish before. And afaik, every conversation is a chat room. Including one-to-one
  220. Jef would you like to co-author?
  221. Lance Jef, sure
  222. Jef :)
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  224. Dave Cridland Zash, Yeah, I think its IM isn't very P2P.
  225. HanzZ Zash: it is if I can judge that by its dbus api
  226. darkrain What in particular in the API makes you say that?
  227. darkrain ("in particular" at a high-ish level)
  228. Zash I started a chat with someone at the same time he started a chat with me. Two windows popped up. (This is years ago, may have changed)
  229. hildjj https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
  230. Jef https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/e.php?AT=WMI&EventID=216096772&PW=15c10114061d03&RT=MiMxNDc%3D
  231. HanzZ darkrain: well, it can do different things internally of course. but they just have CHAT object with id no matter how many people are there
  232. HanzZ darkrain: I presume when the id is still the same, it's same also internally, but that doesn't have to be the true
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  235. Eelco skype is moving away from p2p. all (or most) chat has already been moved to microsofts backend. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/22/3529600/skype-for-windows-8-screenshots-release-date-october-26th
  236. Jef that's because p2p is harder to evesdrop conversations
  237. stpeter Eelco: yes, interesting, eh?
  238. Zash Much fun
  239. stpeter Jef: :)
  240. Dave Cridland Is it possible to share the slides on screen via Webex?
  241. stpeter working on it
  242. Dave Cridland (No ™ just for hildjj)
  243. stpeter just a moment
  244. Dave Cridland The video feeds really good right now, BTW.
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  246. Eelco As for some easy to install XMPP service recipes (sorry for not putting this in earlier) this might be nice to look into: https://juju.ubuntu.com/ <https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/index.html>
  247. Dave Cridland Oh, that's Emil in shot now?
  248. Tobias Dave Cridland, right
  249. Dave Cridland And now a pot plant.
  250. Ash Just looking at the fis spec - is there a particular reason why it couldn't be a pep node?
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  252. victor@victorklos.nl easy XMPP server install also via Puppet, e.g. https://github.com/rtyler/puppet-prosody
  253. darkrain victor@victorklos.nl: Ooooo
  254. Dave Cridland Thanks Zash.
  255. Lance Ash no reason, and that would be best for file change events
  256. victor@victorklos.nl @darkrain yeah noticed...
  257. Lance the main thing is that it would be better done as collection nodes, because of arbitrary directory depths
  258. Lance so a single node item could become too large to deal with nicely
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  261. darkrain Victor: Have you used it? or is that you?
  262. Victor I built my own puppet extension. Not really difficult btw
  263. Victor (and got the alias right)
  264. stpeter emil is talking about http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/
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  268. stpeter Adrian mentioned P-Asserted-Identity https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3325
  269. stpeter just FYI
  270. stpeter however, that won't work, because it is defined as follows: A P-Asserted-Identity header field value MUST consist of exactly one name-addr or addr-spec. There may be one or two P-Asserted-Identity values. If there is one value, it MUST be a sip, sips, or tel URI. If there are two values, one value MUST be a sip or sips URI and the other MUST be a tel URI.
  271. stpeter https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery/
  272. stpeter Jef: BTW, thanks for joining
  273. stpeter Jef: we'll ping Diana to provide some more feedback on the list so that we can improve the spec, maybe merge it with XEP-0135 based on Lance's feedback, or whatever seems most appropriate
  274. Jef no problem, I couldn't participate more because I at work
  275. l-fy Peter what should we do about XEP 0269
  276. l-fy we need to get that fixed today during the jingle disscusion
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  278. Zash To Jingle or not to Jingle :D
  279. l-fy to Jingle
  280. Steffen Larsen sip it..
  281. l-fy every single day
  282. l-fy so i can federate
  283. l-fy Federate JIngle :)
  284. Zash :D
  285. l-fy SIP builds silos because nobody will let a SIP server in the world unprotected
  286. Zash http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0209.html
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  288. stpeter notes for CUSAX purposes that we might want to say something about using a single ID if possible
  289. Dave Cridland I'm actually hopeful that the acct URI stuff might encourage user account identifiers to be consistent in that respect.
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  291. Dave Cridland Have the hoodie/t-shirt stores been raided, yet, BTW?
  292. darkrain Don't think so
  293. Dave Cridland Just concious that's one of the things that needs doing while in Diegem.
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  298. Zash Dave Cridland: Is your BIDI implementation fixed yet?
  299. Dave Cridland Zash, I can't actually remember what the problems are with it. It'll work, it's just not enthusiastic about using bidi connections.
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  305. stpeter http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BoshIssues
  306. stpeter http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2012-October/001200.html
  307. winfried mam + carbons
  308. winfried only solve with chats
  309. Zash YES
  310. Zash MAM!
  311. Zash Carbons!
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  313. hildjj mam?
  314. m&m message archive management
  315. Zash 313
  316. darkrain 136 improved
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  321. Zash winfried: MattJ and waqas might have useful things to say about multi tab sessions btw
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  326. stpeter hi waqas
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  329. waqas Hey stpeter
  330. Tobias hi waqas
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  333. stpeter note for SIP-XMPP discussion: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html
  334. Zash Carbons?
  335. stpeter yes :)
  336. Zash I almost want to go check what you are talking about
  337. stpeter Zash: it was just a side topic
  338. Zash Implement in all the clients!
  339. stpeter heh
  340. stpeter Zash: it's in Prosody, right?
  341. Zash Yes
  342. stpeter yay :)
  343. Zash http://code.google.com/p/prosody-modules/wiki/mod_carbons
  344. Zash stpeter: We lost m&m
  345. stpeter oh
  346. Zash How do we get him back?
  347. stpeter hrm
  348. stpeter he knows what to call
  349. Zash Ah, now
  350. Zash nm
  351. waqas hildjj: Can you turn up the mic volume a bit in webex?
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  367. stpeter are you guys starting again about WebSocket?
  368. Zash Yes
  369. Zash come here!
  370. Steven Lloyd Watkin Inspired by (insert-evil-word-here) talk to generate this https://github.com/lloydwatkin/xmpp-websockets-json
  371. Zash Socket.io over XMPP?
  372. Zash Or under
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  374. Steven Lloyd Watkin essentially just socket.io with server talking to XMPP and talking to client in json
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  384. fippo hildjj: they must have heard us thinking about "beer" :-)
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  438. Lance what time do we head to fosdem?
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  441. Kev Lance: I do not know, but I would like to :)
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