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XMPP Summit discussion

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[07:25:24] <fippo> http://logs.xmpp.org/summit/130131/ <-- can someone fix that please?
[07:26:12] <fippo> same for yesterday
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[07:37:15] <Kev> No takers on timing for this morning?
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[07:51:12] <Steffen Larsen> Kev: I think that the keynotes are 10:30. So I'll be down for breakfast around 9:15
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[07:52:40] <Kev> Excellent, thanks.
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[07:58:38] <Steffen Larsen> Kev: NP
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[11:16:50] <stpeter> Set up a Google Hangout for the devroom
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[11:16:52] <stpeter> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f50364022c90449492499c99676876cabaf7fd7b?hl=en
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[11:22:41] <stpeter> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f50364022c90449492499c99676876cabaf7fd7b?hl=en
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[11:36:50] <stpeter> https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/room/h2213/ is the schedule
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[11:36:57] <stpeter> but we'll need to make some adjustments
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[11:37:03] <stpeter> because some people aren't here
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[11:40:15] <Dave Cridland> Hangout is working well.
[11:40:23] <ralphm> awesome
[11:40:40] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Did you get a chance to see if there's a bigger hoodie about for me?
[11:40:42] <stpeter> we're not recording it though because I didn't set that up yet
[11:41:05] <Kev> So the camera's pointing in a sensible direction?
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[11:41:12] <Kev> I tried to move it to see both Winfried and the board.
[11:41:52] <ralphm> Doesn't hangout on air do something like that?
[11:41:57] <Dave Cridland> Yeah, I can't see the whole slide, but it's good. Audio's good enough to hear him.
[11:42:13] <ralphm> Better?
[11:42:14] <stpeter> BTW we need to fill some time in the schedule https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/room/h2213/
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[11:42:31] <Dave Cridland> Actually that's worse - I think the automatic colour correction really works against us here.
[11:42:44] <stpeter> 14:00-14:30 is Waqas on securing BOSH applications -- but he didn't get a visa
[11:42:57] <Dave Cridland> That is, I can now no longer see Winfried, and the slides are blue.
[11:43:15] <Dave Cridland> Oh, hey Ralph. :-)
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[11:43:51] <Dave Cridland> ralphm, You're looking really serious.
[11:44:03] <stpeter> also 18:20-18:40 for Sergey Dobrov -- didn't get a visa
[11:44:37] <Dave Cridland> Funny, I didn't think Belgium would be so hard.
[11:44:44] <ralphm> I'm behind the camera, too
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[11:45:30] <ralphm> Can you read those slides?
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[11:45:48] <Dave Cridland> Yeah, those are good.
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[11:46:26] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: supposedly it's harder to get a visa for Belgium now than, say, the States (or maybe it's just gotten harder)
[11:46:30] <Dave Cridland> The problem is it colour balances or something every now and then, so they wash out.
[11:47:22] <ralphm> Probably also because we killed the ceiling lights there
[11:47:25] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Maybe we should look at a third venue, where visas are relatively easy. WHere I have no idea - UK people tend not to have visa issues much.
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[11:47:57] <stpeter> well, we've got the FOSDEM connection here, thus this Belgian stuff
[11:48:15] <Dave Cridland> Yeah, I think colocating with FOSDEM is very good.
[11:49:19] <stpeter> I need to meet at 1:45 with some folks (including Simon) to coordinate / plan for tomorrow's federated communication devroom
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[11:49:42] <stpeter> however, we don't have anyone to give a talk from 2:00 to 2:30
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[11:49:52] <stpeter> because of the aforementioned Visa issues
[11:49:57] <stpeter> thus we will need to improvise
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[11:50:40] <stpeter> we could have more lightning talks
[11:50:48] *stpeter looks at the schedule a bit more
[11:51:09] <stpeter> hmm
[11:51:21] <stpeter> we could do lightning talks from 2 to 2:30
[11:51:51] <stpeter> then a break from 14:30 to 15:00
[11:52:11] <stpeter> and I could do my talk about "joys of running code" from 15:00 to 15:30
[11:52:52] <SimonTennant> I liked the XMPP attacks stuff that you went through yesterday.
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[11:53:36] <stpeter> SimonTennant: yes, I could do that at 15:00 and we could do lightning talks at 14:00
[11:53:45] <stpeter> this is my suggestion to Ralph and Kev :)
[11:54:41] <Kev> I know nothing. I have, however, poked the Ralph next to me :)
[11:54:42] <ralphm> Yeah
[11:55:23] <ralphm> Let's rattle up some people
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[11:55:46] <stpeter> ok, after Winfried's talk I will give a schedule update
[11:56:04] <Kev> Could write the schedule on the board.
[11:56:14] <Kev> Multimedia!
[11:56:15] <stpeter> Kev: yes we *could* ;-)
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[12:13:32] <stpeter> Lance: feel free to take more than 30 minutes for the XMPP + JSON topic, because we have time
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[12:13:40] <Lance> ok
[12:13:44] <stpeter> Lance: e.g., poll the room about what they need, run through more code examples, talk about Lloyd's socket.io stuff or bring him up to the front, etc.
[12:14:03] <Lance> its going to be fun presentation wise because i accidentally logged out of my google account
[12:14:03] <stpeter> and don't forget to speak loudly and repeat the questions :)
[12:14:10] <Lance> and i cant do 2-step verification here :/
[12:14:14] <stpeter> oh!
[12:14:23] *stpeter doesn't like the cloud :P
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[12:14:28] <Lance> fortunately i have a tab left open with slides
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[12:14:47] <Kev> Don't poll the room.
[12:14:48] <stpeter> heh
[12:14:50] <Kev> Polling is bad.
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[12:25:35] <ralphm> stpeter: I like sunshine
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[12:28:17] <Dave Cridland> Can we have speakers repeat (or summarize) questions, please?
[12:28:35] <Dave Cridland> Can't hear the questioners, the mic's pointing the wrong way.
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[12:36:29] <Dave Cridland> ralphm, You're deputy head teacher, now.
[12:36:39] <Edwin Mons> :D
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[13:03:57] <Kev> Dodgy Florian's T-Shirt Emporium is going as well as ever. People come near, Florian starts talking, they run away.
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[13:55:13] <ralphm> stpeter: are there any lightning talks applicants?
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[14:04:11] <ralphm> In session: stpeter on running code
[14:04:23] <ralphm> The Hangout is back
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[14:35:52] <ralphm> Simon, where are you?
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[15:04:23] <Kev> Can someone turn the camera slide-wards please?
[15:04:40] <Kev> Ah, thanks Ralph.
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[15:06:15] <ralphm> I also put up my nexus 7 for the slides
[15:06:33] <stpeter> ralphm: thanks :)
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[15:07:33] <Kev> Yeah, this is good.
[15:07:41] <Kev> I didn't leave the lounge in time.
[15:09:45] <ralphm> Cool
[15:10:03] <ralphm> are the jitsy people not putting this up on their screens over there?
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[15:19:33] <Kev> Nope.
[15:20:28] <ralphm> oh no
[15:20:37] <ralphm> dave has shrunk
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[15:22:06] <stpeter> sorry about the communications outage
[15:22:35] <ralphm> Dave Cridland: make sure to give our warm regards to your mini-me
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[15:24:42] <Kev> My wifi switched to 2.4 (no access) just as things got interesting :(
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[15:27:59] <ralphm> Kev: we were all thrown off
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[15:28:54] <Kev> Ah. But when I came back, it picked the 2.4 range.
[15:29:11] <ralphm> sadness
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[15:37:06] <ralphm> Kev: are you getting things properly now?
[15:37:20] <Kev> I couldn't get good enough sound really.
[15:37:27] <Kev> But it was Emil's talk I really wanted to see.
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[15:38:44] <ralphm> ah
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[16:33:03] <ralphm> "it seems the prosody community is more active than the openfire one"
[16:33:05] <ralphm> no kidding
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[16:38:38] <ralphm> Kev: are you still in the hangout?
[16:38:50] <Steffen Larsen> xmpp cartoon in the dev. room… hmm
[16:38:54] <ralphm> I see you but I am not sure if it is a ghost
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[17:25:21] <Kev> No, I'm not in the hangout.
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