XMPP Summit - 2013-10-21


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  21. jabberjocke hi any details for remote participation in the summit?
  22. jabberjocke it's a bit early at the moment
  23. Steffen Larsen they are like 9 hours behind, but I think that there will be a hangout, like last time
  24. Steffen Larsen ironically
  25. Steffen Larsen we should do a webRTC
  26. Steffen Larsen ;-)
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  46. albert And only 9 participants allowed in the hangout.
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  59. Kev m&m: You can't?
  60. m&m now I can
  61. m&m I think
  62. m&m tries something
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  65. m&m yay
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  68. stpeter set the topic to Summit 14, Portland
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  71. stpeter http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
  72. stpeter set the topic to Summit 14, Portland | http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
  73. lloyd https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
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  76. winfried Hi there!
  77. m&m waves
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  80. winfried is a bit overthrown by the devastating silence here ;-)
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  82. Zash EHLO
  83. m&m 250 Hello
  84. lloyd See hangout link above. Hopefully when Lance and Fritzy arrive it'll be moved to a better computer (read: not my laptop)
  85. m&m hopefully better A/V equipment shows up soon
  86. m&m the current speakers are faint
  87. lloyd Sorry, on laptop microphone
  88. m&m evidently, and I've got some idea of XMPP latency between you and here (-:
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  91. Dave Cridland EHLO dave.cridland.net
  92. Tobias <stream:error><not-well-formed xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams'/></stream:error>
  93. Dave Cridland lloyd, Where's the hangout link? I'll join on this and should be able to spin it up on the back camera, point it at Simon and stuffs.
  94. lloyd https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
  95. winfried thanks dave!
  96. m&m the audio is slightly better, but the video is gone
  97. winfried yeah, it was a short peek
  98. Dave Cridland Oh, it drops video when I switch away?
  99. m&m apparently
  100. m&m back
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  105. winfried think we should stay away from a discussion on trust, but indeed on compatibility
  106. winfried (do you trust verisign?)
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  109. winfried Hi steffen!
  110. winfried See the history for the hangout link
  111. Zash mumbles about google
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  113. Steffen Hi Winfried!
  114. Steffen long time no see!
  115. winfried yeah!
  116. winfried too many projects still on the shelves :-P
  117. Steffen winfried: all well? Haven't seen you online for some time.. but that might just be the projects. :-)
  118. winfried my presence had been a bit erratic, yes
  119. Steffen :-)
  120. winfried not cooperating much online right now, so I get a bit sloppy with my IM clients...
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  122. Steffen why not using webRTC and XMPP instead of hangout?.. just such a paradox. :-)
  123. winfried would love to testdrive it...
  124. fippo steffen: because multiuser is hard with webrtc
  125. Tobias fippo, still full mesh-only?
  126. Steffen ohh I see
  127. Steffen p2p...
  128. fippo tobias: unless you want to pay a silo for providing MCU services ;-)
  129. Steffen fippo: we can do it like skype did it.. auch
  130. Steffen ha ha yes
  131. Tobias fippo, can't we throw jingle nodes at that problem ^^
  132. Tobias just use one of your powerful contacts as MCU
  133. fippo that is something we might try soonish
  134. Tobias but yeah...with video, each participant takes an even bigger chunk out of your bandwidth
  135. Steffen fippo: otherwise it looked cool at the realtimeconf.. was it you that lance was conencting to?
  136. fippo steffen: yes, that was me
  137. Steffen fippo: just saw the video
  138. fippo https://github.com/legastero/jingle-interop-demos -- check those against your favorite xmppserver
  139. winfried btw: can I view a video of that presentation somewhere?
  140. fippo winfried: http://vimeo.com/77289728
  141. winfried thanks!
  142. Steffen had some problems with the andyet impl.. (talky.io) in chrome
  143. m&m we lost the feed
  144. MattJ Dave just noticed
  145. Steffen and my browser died...
  146. Steffen yawn
  147. m&m he's horrible at A/V Club (-:
  148. m&m who hired that loser (-:
  149. Steffen :-)
  150. MattJ Was it a hangout? or talky.io?
  151. m&m ralphm: no audio
  152. ralphm oh, I thought somebody would send audio
  153. ralphm reenabling
  154. m&m audio is back
  155. winfried yes
  156. ralphm better?
  157. winfried yes
  158. m&m yes
  159. Dave Cridland Sorry, I'll reconnect.
  160. Dave Cridland Only me talking, so uninteresting. :-)
  161. m&m TOO MUCH AUDIO!
  162. Steffen auuch stop that noise
  163. darkrain echooooooooooooooooo
  164. winfried certainly unintresting ;-)
  165. m&m yeah
  166. m&m two active mics + one room - mixer == BAD
  167. jabberjocke how to connect to the hangout ?
  168. m&m https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d?hl=en-GB
  169. Tobias ah..posh talk :)
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  171. winfried lost audio
  172. Steffen me too
  173. ralphm m&m muted me
  174. m&m sorry!
  175. Steffen audio back
  176. Steffen thanks
  177. m&m I hit the wrong button
  178. Tobias is only seeing that bearded guy
  179. Steffen ha ha
  180. m&m then it wouldn't let me unmute /-:
  181. winfried we could turn the xmpp server network in some kind of onion routing
  182. winfried think about it, much of the infrastructure is already there...
  183. m&m and then you could involve clients, if they're willing to suffer through any bandwidth increases
  184. m&m which could be interesting
  185. winfried definitely
  186. Zash proxy65 over proxy65??
  187. Tobias Zash, want to beat WebRTC in crazy protocol layering?
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  189. Zash Tobias: Multiple layers of prox65 is not nearly crazy enough to even compete with WebRTC
  190. Dave Cridland I see Ralph's figured out captions. :-)
  191. winfried pretty neat yes
  192. Steffen more of those
  193. Dave Cridland Ralph's now quitting XMPP and going into TV news.
  194. ralphm :-)
  195. Steffen ha ha.. ralph the producer
  196. m&m he is a superior cameraman than the previous loser (-:
  197. Steffen :-)
  198. Dave Cridland m&m, That from someone who accidentally muted the feed...
  199. m&m I blame the tooling
  200. m&m dropping … if the sec or BOSH stuff starts back, could someone ping me? gracias
  201. winfried ok
  202. Steffen wow stpeter got a new non-mac laptop
  203. Steffen or is it my eyes
  204. ralphm yeah, it is a System 76
  205. Steffen nice
  206. winfried linux...
  207. Steffen can it run OSX? ;-)
  208. Steffen it seems like we are not web devs.. ;-)
  209. Zash Does it run XTerm?
  210. Steffen good idea Simon,. I agree
  211. Steffen on the front page and put simple
  212. winfried Better describe what you can do with XMPP
  213. ralphm http://web.archive.org/web/20090207135716/http://xmpp.org/ is what we had before
  214. Steffen or a video.. like amqp has: http://www.amqp.org/video
  215. Steffen m2m
  216. winfried military2military?
  217. Steffen :-)
  218. winfried but indeed: give an idea about what can be done with it, give examples of applications, its strongs
  219. Tobias yup...sounds good
  220. Steffen yeah. I've done satellite com, TV presence, second screen.. but not that much chat.. and people does not know that.
  221. Steffen use XMPP because of routing, security and federation
  222. Steffen :-)
  223. winfried And a great ecosystem containing a lot of building blocks
  224. Steffen exactly
  225. Steffen amqp impl.. :http://www.rabbitmq.com/
  226. winfried ralphm: we all want the tutorials, whitepapers etc, but none of us takes the time to write them.... I feel the real problem is in there...
  227. Steffen and they got good tutorials
  228. jabberjocke http://www.rabbitmq.com/getstarted.html
  229. Steffen I like the way that the tutorials are organized..
  230. winfried yeah, that is nice
  231. ralphm winfried: I thought I said exactly that
  232. winfried well... living in two worlds right now,might be missing some points...
  233. ralphm winfried: I frown upon your dedication to this summit :-D
  234. Steffen the tutorials are organised after patterns.. I like that. If we could do that.. but it might be hard, because of our genral purpose protocol
  235. ralphm Steffen: right
  236. winfried :-D
  237. ralphm Steffen: but to explain something like pubsub (only) it is pretty good
  238. jabberjocke We have the wiki I started to do this for IoT on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/IoT_systems
  239. Steffen I've started to use rabbitmq for half a year ago.. and I'm almost an expert now.. It took me several years with XMPP ... :-)
  240. Steffen jabberjocke: cool
  241. Steffen I've started a white paper about large scale xmpp..
  242. Steffen ralphm: yes. So we could dig out some genral patterns.. for routing
  243. Steffen ralphm: pub/sub, direct presence, etc.
  244. jabberjocke steffen: thats intresting, large in klients or large in nr of domains
  245. Steffen jabberjocke: large in clients :-)
  246. Steffen jabberjocke: but they do stick a bit together
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  248. jabberjocke steffen: the IoT challenge is the management of large number of clients in each domain that need to interact with each other
  249. jabberjocke over the domainborders
  250. Steffen he he yes
  251. jabberjocke and I don't know if thats ever possible with rabbitmq
  252. Steffen you can do routing and filters
  253. Steffen of course pub/sub, topics etc. but to compare that with XMPP would'nt be fair. :-)
  254. jabberjocke it's all about access to the server.
  255. jabberjocke xmpp is all from the klients
  256. Steffen yes
  257. jabberjocke we can have another session on this :)
  258. Steffen jabberjocke: sure :-)
  259. Steffen does anybody know if this video session is being recorded?.. because I won't stay up all night.
  260. Tobias g2g...have fun
  261. winfried cu
  262. Steffen cheers Tobias
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  265. jabberjocke well have good lunch
  266. winfried have a nice meal!
  267. jabberjocke 9pm in Uppsala
  268. jabberjocke another coffe I would say
  269. winfried already had dinner here ;-)
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  273. winfried I want to see you guys eating :-D
  274. winfried looks plenary right now
  275. winfried but I feel muted...
  276. jabberjocke thanks for the sound
  277. ralphm we're really in recess, though
  278. m&m Bear's beard looks even more impressive
  279. m&m if that is even possible
  280. Zash Pix or it never happend
  281. m&m audio drop
  282. m&m and it's back
  283. m&m audio drop
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  285. ralphm I blame google
  286. jabberjocke please take some photos to update http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/
  287. Zash I hear nothing at all!
  288. Zash All Googles fault
  289. m&m yea
  290. m&m but not now
  291. jabberjocke yupp
  292. jabberjocke not now
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  294. m&m now
  295. m&m video froze
  296. ralphm is this better?
  297. winfried no
  298. m&m and no audio
  299. ralphm I switched audio to the laptop's
  300. ralphm weird
  301. m&m what browser?
  302. winfried the audio sometimes seemed to clip
  303. winfried but now it totally gone
  304. winfried better like this
  305. winfried (at least for me)
  306. m&m /nod
  307. ralphm cool
  308. Steffen jabberjocke: I still have some pics that I need to upload
  309. winfried lost audio
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  311. Steffen jabberjocke: some from portland a couple of years ago and from europe last year
  312. ralphm it mutes me when I type
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  314. m&m ah
  315. m&m keyboard detection
  316. jabberjocke the wordpress wouldn't upload them
  317. jabberjocke issue with directory access rights
  318. ralphm hey Ashley Ward
  319. Ashley Ward Hello!
  320. winfried hi!
  321. Ashley Ward What's the current subject? Jingle/WebRTC?
  322. ralphm Lunch
  323. Ashley Ward Yum!
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  325. ralphm but yeah, jingle seems to be a topic
  326. m&m /sigh
  327. m&m //sigh
  328. jabberjocke agree
  329. Ashley Ward Node should suit an xmpp server pretty well
  330. jabberjocke started viewing syslogs insteas
  331. m&m ralphm: when you get a chance, I would greatly appreciate you turning off that Google Effects background
  332. Ashley Ward Is that your little girl, winfried?
  333. winfried Yes she is my oldest one
  334. winfried (10 years)
  335. Ashley Ward No doubt amused by the geeks!
  336. winfried have a 6years old too
  337. winfried definitely
  338. Ashley Ward :)
  339. winfried but she is quite geeky too
  340. winfried did some testing with her and she managed to freak out a chatapplication a web builder had been working on for 2 years within 5 minutes
  341. winfried :-D
  342. Ashley Ward Excellent - training her well. My 20 month old loves computers too.
  343. winfried yeah... still have the first text she wrote on the keyboard
  344. Ashley Ward Same here!
  345. Steffen ha ha cool
  346. Steffen printf("Hello World") ?
  347. winfried LOL
  348. Ashley Ward 10 PRINT "Emilia is great. ";
  349. Ashley Ward 20 GOTO 10
  350. Steffen ha ha
  351. Steffen my first basic on c64
  352. Steffen well.. prob. not the Emilia part. ;-)
  353. Ashley Ward :)
  354. jabberjocke I did that on a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_80
  355. Steffen and on a spectrum.. those were the days
  356. jabberjocke no colors
  357. Steffen mono.. luv it
  358. Ashley Ward I started on a Commodore 16.
  359. winfried http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_P2000
  360. Steffen ohh yes. that black box
  361. winfried Spent lots of hours on a model III
  362. Steffen yes. I've started on VIC20 and later c64
  363. winfried oh, yeah the vic20
  364. Steffen made demos and stuff.. when it was more barebone and fun. :-)
  365. Steffen great computer
  366. jabberjocke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A had sprites
  367. Steffen wow
  368. Steffen never tried that one
  369. winfried nope
  370. jabberjocke my first saved for ages
  371. Steffen how about doing an XMPP server on c64.. could be fun
  372. ralphm I had an Philips MSX 1 and later an MSX 2
  373. winfried ah yeah MSX!
  374. jabberjocke could we get ralphm to turn that background off now
  375. Steffen MSX
  376. Ashley Ward http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html
  377. winfried thanks
  378. Ashley Ward Has a TCP/IP stack and everything
  379. Steffen nice
  380. jabberjocke cool
  381. winfried can somebody take notes on the piratepad?
  382. winfried helps me a lot
  383. Zash +1
  384. Steffen +1
  385. Steffen the sound is not that good
  386. ralphm Hmm :-(
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  388. m&m For the uninitiated: http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao
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  390. Zash Re this > - authentication downgrades (SCRAM to PLAIN) what if you put the list of available SASL mechs into a TXT field? (with DNSSEC)
  391. ralphm set the topic to Summit 14, Portland | http://piratepad.net/L89H3Q8rao | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f1eca0311bb12a659a2abbc58ee581d8e37eaa3d
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  393. Dave Cridland Zash, You could, but really you'll get that post-TLS anyway.
  394. Dave Cridland Zash, The problem is a subverted server that forces you to PLAIN to harvest passwords. The solution is that clients shouldn't switch *back* to a weaker auth without user intervention.
  395. Zash Ah
  396. Dave Cridland Of course, that assumes a linear ordering of SASL mechs. :-)
  397. m&m no
  398. m&m that doesn't help (-:
  399. Ashley Ward I can read about 50% of it
  400. Dave Cridland Now it looks like the Blair Witch Project.
  401. Ashley Ward :)
  402. ralphm I blame stpeter's handwriting
  403. m&m you need an HD camera, and we all need be connected with HD to have a shot
  404. Zash Wat
  405. ralphm I think this is an HD camera
  406. Ashley Ward I can actually read it okay
  407. Dave Cridland There are parts I can't read from here anyway.
  408. winfried my laptop screen is too small
  409. Ashley Ward You're there aren't you Dave?
  410. Dave Cridland Right.
  411. Ashley Ward Do we need to invest in some special XSF glasses for you?
  412. m&m maybe that'll be his first act on the next Board
  413. Ashley Ward :)
  414. m&m "Get Dave Glasses" (-:
  415. Ashley Ward I mean, I'm 4,900 miles away and I can just about read it.
  416. winfried where did you buy your glasses...
  417. ralphm XEP-0259
  418. Steffen blair witch prject 2
  419. Steffen project
  420. bear the work on carbons is just cleanup - making the errors make sense
  421. bear making the text a little bit more understandable
  422. bear if there is anything else he will take requests
  423. bear he saw that kim had posted something about wanting to switch over to this flag thing put together
  424. bear rather not delay carbons or get another dependency
  425. jabberjocke Could "attachments" be enabled on the pirate pad?
  426. Steffen yes
  427. Steffen see the clip icon
  428. jabberjocke can't upload
  429. lloyd https://github.com/ashward/buddycloud-xep
  430. bear (ash) I started drafting a xep around a kind of informal xep they had for buddycloud but it still needs a lot of work to finish
  431. bear (ash) it's sitting in his personal github cloud and needs a lot of work to finish
  432. bear 20 min break
  433. winfried I will!
  434. Ashley Ward Wife's just got back from Yoga, so 20 minute break is well timed :)
  435. jabberjocke yea right it's -3C outside and pitchdark
  436. Lance http://gowebrtc.me/demo.html#xsfsummit
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  439. Lance http://gowebrtc.me/demo.html#tmc8n53d
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  442. m&m I got the camera/mic request for both, but all I see is myself
  443. m&m I think it's my local network
  444. Zash erm
  445. Zash what have you done?
  446. m&m it could be worse
  447. Zash I can't close the gowebrtc tabs
  448. Zash fun
  449. intosi has joined
  450. fippo we're having an interesting network in here
  451. m&m can you combine the devil horns and angel halo?
  452. Zash ARE THERE SILLY HATS?
  453. winfried HATS?
  454. Zash HATS!
  455. Steffen ha ha ha
  456. Steffen beware of black hats
  457. Steffen ;-)
  458. Zash http://www.stupidgifs.com/images/full/352.gif
  459. Ashley Ward Edwin's stroking his cat like a Bond villain...
  460. intosi I have yet to perfect my evil laughter
  461. m&m great marketing
  462. intosi If only there was an open protocol that we could extend to have great conference capabilities with video and such...
  463. Ashley Ward I really fancy a coca-cola now...
  464. Dave Cridland And now for close-ups of Bear and PSA's backsides.
  465. Ashley Ward No comment
  466. m&m bear's back
  467. jabberjocke anyone knows what zoom.us <http://zoom.us> is doing
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  469. waqas http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/ <http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/#/>
  470. bear http://waqas.im/summit/reveal.js-master/#/
  471. Dave Cridland OK, everyone ready with the slides?
  472. bear click
  473. Dave Cridland Slide: Rich Web Applications
  474. m&m for future note: slide numbers are worthwhile
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  476. Dave Cridland Slide: Malicious Content
  477. Dave Cridland Slide: Javascript
  478. m&m mute click
  479. Steffen if there are slides. is it possible to them
  480. Dave Cridland Steffan: URI above.
  481. Steffen ahh got it.. thanks dave
  482. Dave Cridland Slide: CSS
  483. Steffen I am on and off.. so I miss some stuff
  484. Dave Cridland Slide: This requires rich content?
  485. Dave Cridland Slide: So what's the fix?
  486. Steffen why do we not make it XMPP "compatible".. and then share it by a room.. then waqas could click and we other could just view. :-)
  487. Dave Cridland Slide: Templates!
  488. Dave Cridland Slide: Templates: How they work
  489. Dave Cridland Slide: Templates: Be aware
  490. Dave Cridland Slide: (same title)
  491. Dave Cridland Slide: Sandboxing
  492. Dave Cridland Slide: Sandboxing : Support
  493. Dave Cridland Slide: Sandboxing: Internet Explorer
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  495. Dave Cridland Slide: Sandboxing
  496. Dave Cridland Slide: Rich Content
  497. Dave Cridland Slide: Attacking XHTML-IM
  498. Dave Cridland Slide: "" : URLS
  499. Dave Cridland Slide: (same title)
  500. Dave Cridland Slide: Attacking XMHTML-IM: Tags and attributes
  501. Dave Cridland Slide: Attacking XHTML-IM: CSS
  502. Dave Cridland Slide: CSS Sanitization: Values
  503. Dave Cridland Slide: XHTML-IM.JS
  504. Dave Cridland Slide: Don't Trust The Data
  505. Dave Cridland Slide: Lessons...
  506. Dave Cridland Slide: Lessons... (again)
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  508. Dave Cridland Slide: And we're done!
  509. m&m source for xhtml-im.js? (and license?)
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  511. Dave Cridland Get that?
  512. waqas has joined
  513. intosi No
  514. m&m I did not get the license
  515. intosi Not the license lbit
  516. Dave Cridland MIT
  517. intosi Ah, gr8
  518. stpeter MIT license
  519. m&m graze
  520. Dave Cridland And will be on github
  521. Dave Cridland And now everyone's talking at once.
  522. intosi We noticed ;)
  523. m&m you need a speaking stick
  524. intosi I'm about to get my cat and practice the evil laughter.
  525. Ashley Ward This is actually a pretty useful presentation for web dev in general
  526. intosi Indeed.
  527. lloyd Yeah, lots of the issues apply outside of xmpp/bosh usage
  528. Ashley Ward And the number of devs that get it wrong is incredible.
  529. lloyd Yup.
  530. waqas has left
  531. winfried I did ;-)
  532. Ashley Ward XHTML-IM security?
  533. winfried BOSH/Websockets/XMPP creates another attack vector, vulnerable to this
  534. Ashley Ward Might be worth renaming the presentation as there may be people who think "I don't use BOSH, that's not for me", and yet it may well be useful for them.
  535. m&m precisely
  536. winfried yep
  537. winfried applauds
  538. sergey.dobrov has joined
  539. winfried Would it be an idea to do a fast roundup on XMPP on the web developments
  540. Zash has left
  541. stpeter Lance is chatting about stanza.io and xmpp-ftw
  542. bear xmpp over websockets draft has been adopted by the working grouop
  543. bear there are two open issues left
  544. bear one is if there is an error and you need to send the client over to a uri
  545. Zash has joined
  546. bear the other issue is because in the browser we don't have a streaming parser should we have different flags to identify when the stream start/ends - lance feels that it's just fine as it is because the code that wraps it is a very thin item
  547. bear the additions to the last bosh rfc have not been applied yet and that should be picked up by the next council
  548. Lance http://github.com/legastero/stanza.io
  549. Lance http://github.com/lloydwatkin/xmpp-ftw
  550. bear xmpp-ftw doesn't require you to give it a web socket, it will accept any socket or transport connection
  551. sergey.dobrov hey guys, I have a similar topic talk, btw :)
  552. lloyd https://xmpp-ftw.jit.su is probably the best place to look
  553. bear the work being done for HTTP2 should be able to upgrade clean if we target websocket
  554. Zash has left
  555. lloyd If anyone would like "live" demos I'm sure we could do these too during the summit
  556. Ashley Ward We've lost the summit!
  557. bear they are trying to find his talk
  558. jabberjocke work fine
  559. ralphm http://jrudevels.org/Trash/presentation.pdf
  560. Steffen well guys, I am off to bed. Have fun and see you later tomorrow
  561. MattJ 'night Steffen
  562. stpeter bye Steffen
  563. intosi nn
  564. Steffen night night
  565. m&m ciao
  566. bear many many clicks on this one
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  568. Dave Cridland Slide: whoami --verbose
  569. Dave Cridland Slide: Why another library?
  570. Dave Cridland Slide: Problems
  571. Zash has joined
  572. Dave Cridland Slide: What can we do?
  573. Dave Cridland Slide: Simple Example
  574. Dave Cridland Slide: Possible Mapping
  575. Dave Cridland Slide: Twilix Message
  576. Dave Cridland Slide: (same title)
  577. Dave Cridland (There's a lot of unfolding ofthe slide I'm not indicating, by the way)
  578. Dave Cridland Slide: Twilix Message
  579. Dave Cridland Slide: JSLiX Analogue
  580. Dave Cridland Slide: Data Validation
  581. Dave Cridland Slide: XML Fields
  582. winfried BTW: I can't see Sergeys head... he is quite a mystery like this ;-)
  583. Dave Cridland Slide: Queries
  584. Dave Cridland Slide: Dispatcher
  585. Dave Cridland Camera better? Doing it blind.
  586. intosi Yes
  587. Dave Cridland Slide: Dispatcher again. (no title though)
  588. intosi A slight adjustment to the left perhaps.
  589. intosi Yay!
  590. winfried perfect, thanks!
  591. Dave Cridland Ace.
  592. Dave Cridland Slide: Dispatcher, no title.
  593. Dave Cridland We should definitely do a XEP for slide coordination.
  594. Dave Cridland Can you guys see the slide on-screen, by the way?
  595. intosi <click xmlns="blah"/>
  596. fippo dave: i think there is an old H. standard fo rthis...
  597. intosi See, but not read.
  598. winfried yep
  599. Dave Cridland Slide: Dispatcher. "Despite the fact XMPP [...]"
  600. intosi Well, with a bit of imagination, you can probably understand what it says.
  601. Dave Cridland Enough to identify? As in, is what I'm doing still useful?
  602. intosi It's very useful.
  603. intosi It's definitely enough to identify.
  604. Dave Cridland Damn, I was hoping to get out of the typing. :-)
  605. intosi And if you have the PDF, you can then make out what the blurry text was supposed to be even without going back to the PDF.
  606. intosi Get a better camera.
  607. m&m heh
  608. intosi We need Retina cameras ;)
  609. m&m that was suggested earlier
  610. lloyd Retina cameras == eyes?
  611. Dave Cridland It's RalphM's camera. Seems quite good, but I suspect the bandwidth has lowered the quality.
  612. intosi With actual retinas inside them.
  613. Dave Cridland Slide: "Or in the case of handler"
  614. m&m we need HD-4K
  615. Ashley Ward I don't think the conference centre has retina bandwidth
  616. bear yea, he is using a nice logitech external camera
  617. Dave Cridland I'm using a telepresence solution powered by KLM.
  618. Dave Cridland Slide: Table thing.
  619. m&m hehe
  620. intosi The Dutch airline?
  621. Ashley Ward :)
  622. Zash The table is sliding?
  623. Dave Cridland Ah. Slide: "Is it used anywhere now"
  624. Dave Cridland Sorry. Distracted.
  625. Zash What slides now?
  626. intosi same slide still
  627. bear last part of "Current State" slide
  628. intosi 'Is it used anywhere now?'
  629. intosi SVP Implementation exmpl
  630. Dave Cridland Slide: "Comparing Examples", "Software Bersion Protocol Implementation example"
  631. Dave Cridland Erm. "Version".
  632. Zash Ah, still Sergey
  633. Dave Cridland Slide: (same title) "Then we'll need a method"
  634. Dave Cridland Slide: "Now let's define the method to query" ...
  635. Dave Cridland Slide: "as we can see the method"...
  636. Dave Cridland Slide: "Finally we should define handlers"
  637. Dave Cridland Slide: Counter-example PyXMPP2
  638. Dave Cridland Slides are going thing and fast, sorry.
  639. Dave Cridland JSLiX vs XMPP-FTW currently.
  640. Dave Cridland has left
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  642. Dave Cridland jTalk crashed, sorry
  643. Dave Cridland Now on "Just an idea", from JSON-XMPP section
  644. intosi what slide are we on?
  645. Dave Cridland And we're done.
  646. sergey.dobrov http://jrudevels.org/Trash/presentation.pdf
  647. m&m I'm going to drop for the day, try to catch all of you tomorrow
  648. winfried whats next? I couldn't follow it...
  649. lloyd we're discussing
  650. lloyd Justin is suggesting talking about service delegation
  651. lloyd Quick break
  652. winfried musical break
  653. m&m has left
  654. Zash sleep break
  655. Zash has left
  656. intosi Remind me not to let Ralph steer the rocket ship that will evacuate us from earth when we have to leave.
  657. ralphm http://play.brokt.com/~fritzy/lander/
  658. intosi Yes…. Much better.
  659. intosi Can you turn the camera around,plz?
  660. intosi ta
  661. intosi grrr
  662. ralphm hi Wilson
  663. intosi :D
  664. Dave Cridland In all this, I have this mental picture of Matthew Wild - Secret Agent - moving through the mean streets in disguise.
  665. Ash has joined
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  667. ralphm Yesterday, he was lost in the woods
  668. sergey.dobrov I have met him near the zoo yesterday, maybe he was doing some offering sacrifices?
  669. intosi I can't believe it's not XMPP!
  670. winfried XMPWHAPP!
  671. Dave Cridland I'm thinking that jTalk is pretty battery intensive - I'm actually out of battery.
  672. Dave Cridland has left
  673. sergey.dobrov it also was pretty buggy when I was using it so I've returned to Xabber
  674. Tobias has joined
  675. Tobias right..jtalk crashes on anything MUC related
  676. ralphm for some reason I get random disconnects with Xabber
  677. ralphm because of invalid XML
  678. ralphm still not sure where from
  679. sergey.dobrov hm, I remember the times when clients were disconnecting because of XML namespace prefixes
  680. intosi Weird. Invalid XML, or invalid UTF-8?
  681. ralphm not sure
  682. ralphm still haven't found it
  683. sergey.dobrov but xabber works pretty fine for me except of lacking functionality
  684. Tobias has left
  685. Ash +1
  686. bear exciting stuff - truly
  687. intosi Give Ralph some hats.
  688. bear :)
  689. intosi Interesting as the discussion is (no sarcasm intended), I'm afraid I have to leave for bed soon. Keeping my eyes open is becoming harder ;)
  690. bear have a good sleep
  691. intosi Ta.
  692. winfried good night!
  693. Lance XMPP Standards Foundation and XMPP Services Foundation :p
  694. bear :P
  695. winfried +1
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  700. Simon https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r-zJqpuHYsWsqtnmrWQo_pXXPRcK-mbiazG-GwuBNj4/edit?usp=sharing
  701. Simon current page structure
  702. bear thanks