Tuesday, October 22, 2013
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XMPP Summit discussion

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[00:03:29] <Simon> Peter just announced beer-o-clock
[00:03:50] <winfried> bed-o-clock here ;-)
[00:03:53] <Ash> It's bed-o-clock over this side of the pond
[00:04:04] <winfried> :-)
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[00:04:25] <sergey.dobrov> I've never drunk beer in bed
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[00:04:46] <winfried> That is quite cool in matter of fact (won't go into details)
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[00:10:04] <winfried> thank you
[00:10:08] <winfried> have a nice beer!
[00:10:12] <ralphm> bye
[00:10:15] <Ash> See you then everyone! Enjoy your beers!
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[01:46:27] <Neustradamus> :)
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[16:38:33] <Dave Cridland> Morning ralphm
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[16:38:48] <winfried> Morning...
[16:38:51] <ralphm> hi
[16:38:52] <m&m> what technical difficulties are we working through?
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[16:39:03] <ralphm> Not sure
[16:39:07] <ralphm> Peter says he's done
[16:39:11] <sergey.dobrov> Morning guys
[16:39:15] <Dave Cridland> m&m, The main technical difficulty is that we're all a bit slow this morning.
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[16:39:25] <m&m> and who said "I miss you" earlier?
[16:39:36] <sergey.dobrov> but were fast enough last evening :)
[16:39:40] <Franklin, Wayne> Fritzy
[16:39:44] <m&m> Dave Cridland: I thought the solution to that problem is caffeine
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[16:42:08] <winfried> Can you plz type the agenda for today here? Still having dinner....
[16:42:48] <Dave Cridland> Agenda.
[16:42:49] <ralphm> winfried: undecided
[16:42:51] <Dave Cridland> Right.
[16:43:05] <ralphm> Agenda item 1: Think up an agenda
[16:43:23] <Dave Cridland> We have a bunch of stuff on the flipchart, but it's not clear that we're actually going to follow that as an agenda.
[16:43:33] <sergey.dobrov> the world's first recursive agenda
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[16:45:08] <ralphm> Summit 15: January 30/31, FOSDEM February 1/2
[16:45:36] <m&m> got it
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[16:46:22] <ralphm> I just made this up, so I am sure we'll stick to these dates
[16:46:30] <ralphm> (like we did with this summit)
[16:46:49] <m&m> I vaguely recall general consensus to have the summit *BEFORE* FOSDEM
[16:46:55] <m&m> since after is too draining
[16:47:04] <m&m> if I recall the discussions
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[16:47:28] <ralphm> m&m: indeed, so we're set
[16:47:39] <stpeter> XMPP Summit #15 - January 30 + 31
[16:48:07] <Dave Cridland> The list is:
[16:48:13] <Dave Cridland> - components / trust
[16:48:20] <Dave Cridland> - service delegation
[16:48:28] <Dave Cridland> - XMPP-inna-browser
[16:48:40] <Dave Cridland> - delegating pubsub publishing
[16:48:47] <Dave Cridland> - source control / contrib
[16:48:53] <Dave Cridland> - pubsub problems
[16:49:00] <Dave Cridland> - mobile / SIFT / etc
[16:49:14] <ralphm> What Dave says, except that most of it likely will not be actual discussion items
[16:49:27] <ralphm> current topic: XMPP in the browser
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[16:50:18] <winfried> thanks for keeping me posted
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[16:51:15] <stpeter> Summt #16 in Toronto right before IETF - July 19 & 20, 2014?
[16:51:25] <m&m> +1
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[16:51:59] <m&m> lost audio and active video
[16:52:17] <Dave Cridland> I can still see you. guess it's bandwidth.
[16:52:29] <m&m> and Ralph drops
[16:52:38] <Dave Cridland> Right. Nudged.
[16:53:07] <m&m> Since we're already using proprietary services, maybe we could spin up a webex session
[16:54:18] <ralphm> My 24 hours were up
[16:54:19] <ralphm> fixed
[16:54:34] <ralphm> (from the hotel)
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[16:55:24] <stpeter> or hold a Summit right before IETF 91 in Honolulu ;-)
[16:55:51] <m&m> (-:
[16:56:00] <darkrain> +1
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[17:07:26] <sergey.dobrov> dog and cake were much prettier
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[17:14:27] <Dave Cridland> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k93zr4gd9eje9bv/GRn-0e0D-t were my slides from RealTimeConf last year. (Assuming I got that link right)
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[17:17:03] <m&m> there are active conversations near my cubicle
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[17:17:21] <winfried> you can mute yourself...
[17:17:25] <m&m> just did
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[17:17:34] <m&m> didn't realize I wasn't muted
[17:18:04] <Tobias> can't join yet..still busy with university stuff
[17:18:24] <m&m> I might have to drop for the day soon, too )-:
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[17:39:58] <MattJ> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/SimplePush
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[17:40:41] <MattJ> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush/Meetings/2013-02-26
[17:40:53] <MattJ> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush/Meetings/2013-02-27
[17:41:00] <MattJ> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Notifications/Push/API
[17:41:16] <Simon> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush
[17:41:40] <fritzy@netflint.net> Hello, my voice is my password.
[17:41:45] <darkrain> Please verify you?
[17:41:48] <stpeter> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Simple_Push
[17:41:57] <Zash> What is this I don't even
[17:42:09] <m&m> gotta join the audio
[17:43:32] <m&m> I've got various docs to work on today, so I think I'll be dropping for the session
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[17:44:40] <stpeter> m&m: ok! have fun
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[17:45:24] <MattJ> Zash, https://talky.io/xmpp
[17:45:31] <MattJ> But we're about to break
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[17:52:13] <waqas> What's a good name? xhtml-im.js? xhtmlim-sanitizer.js?
[17:52:40] <waqas> xep-0071.js? :)
[17:52:49] *waqas pokes Lance, darkrain
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[17:53:11] <Lance> is this xhtml-im specific? or generally useable?
[17:53:25] <Lance> i'd for for xhtml-im.js
[17:53:29] <Lance> i'd go for for xhtml-im.js
[17:53:39] <waqas> xhtml-im specific. It's a sanitizer with a builtin dictionary for the allowed tags, attributes and css from the XHTML-IM spec
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[17:53:44] <waqas> k
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[17:56:18] <darkrain> Yeah, I'd agree (I don't mind xhtmlim-sanitizer.js, either)
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[17:57:46] <MattJ> Zash, can you hear the conversation ok?
[17:59:00] <Zash> MattJ, there are people here talking so it's not easy
[17:59:06] <MattJ> :)
[17:59:57] <darkrain> Yell at them!
[17:59:58] <Zash> I had a headset yesterday but not with me
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[18:11:53] <waqas> https://github.com/zeen/xhtml-im.js/blob/master/xhtml-im.js
[18:11:58] <waqas> darkrain, Lance ^
[18:12:10] <Lance> \o/
[18:12:50] <waqas> Code review, etc appreciated. While the santization part is well-tested, I haven't tested the define/export support for nodejs/AMD.
[18:13:25] <waqas> Also, this used to be typescript (to catch any type issues), I wasn't sure whether to commit the original source, or continue it in js from now.
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[18:14:55] <waqas> And I never noticed how indent was 8 spaces...
[18:15:06] <Lance> i'll play with it and make prs if needed for the packaging bit
[18:15:16] <waqas> k, thnaks
[18:15:20] <Lance> i'd say continue in js
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[18:16:10] <sergey.dobrov> btw, are there any unit testing frameworks for js that are supporting AMD and code coverage?
[18:16:20] <winfried> got to go, will be back later
[18:16:26] <MattJ> See you winfried
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[18:16:48] <winfried> cu
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[18:38:12] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7033
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[18:52:01] <Simon> spec: https://github.com/buddycloud/buddycloud-pusher
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[19:06:24] <Tobias> who's speaking?
[19:06:38] <Lance> sergey
[19:06:43] <Tobias> ah..ok
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[19:17:44] <Ash> Was that you knocking over the water Ralph?
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[19:19:06] <Lance> it was
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[19:19:11] <ralphm> yes
[19:19:16] <ralphm> on the keyboard
[19:19:19] <Ash> D'oh!
[19:19:22] <ralphm> the machine appears to be fine, though
[19:19:58] <Ash> So if we suddenly lose the feed then we know why, eh? ;)
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[19:38:40] <Ash> What's for lunch over there?
[19:39:10] <sergey.dobrov> sandwiches, cookies, chips
[19:39:14] <sergey.dobrov> aaand APPLE!
[19:39:33] <Ash> Hmm. I'm getting really peckish.
[19:39:38] <sergey.dobrov> we have ate apple for lunch, haha
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[19:39:43] <sergey.dobrov> no more iphones
[19:39:56] <Zash> Oh lawd
[19:40:29] <Florob> So... three laptops left?
[19:40:34] <jabberjocke> LoL
[19:40:56] <jabberjocke> evening sandwich here
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[19:41:45] <Ash> Mmm. Fruit Salad sweets! Yum!
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[19:55:17] <jabberjocke> I would be interested in feedback on the IoT xep's have anybody tried them?
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[20:21:15] <jabberjocke> http://iea.sust.se/2013/10/18/viessmann-installation/
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[20:24:57] <jabberjocke> https://github.com/joachimlindborg/SleekXMPP/tree/xep_0323_325/examples
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[20:29:10] <lloyd> xmpp-ftw will run on an arduino (have started work on this). Not proper XMPP but it is a low memory interface.
[20:30:47] <Lance> lloyd +1
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[20:33:46] <ralphm> http://lanyrd.com/2013/thingmonk/
[20:33:47] <bear> redmonk is organizing an IOT conference in the UK Dec 3rd
[20:34:47] <jabberjocke> http://gogonetlive.com/gogonetlive-agenda.asp
[20:35:46] <Zash> IPv6 \o/
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[20:43:07] <Ash> I think I'll duck out too, unless there's anything productive I can help with from here.
[20:44:02] <jabberjocke> yes same here. Thanks for the time
[20:44:08] <ralphm> Ash: nah
[20:44:17] <ralphm> Thanks for participating remotely!
[20:44:37] <Simon> bye ash
[20:44:44] <jabberjocke> worked fine next time through xmpp and Jingle I hope
[20:44:55] <Ash> Cool. Sorry I missed most of today's sessions! Have a great rest of the day everyone!
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[21:12:08] <Lance> Dave Cridland: quick first draft: http://legastero.github.io/customxeps/extensions/push.html
[21:12:34] <Lance> alternatively, we could define a well-known pubsub-on-a-jid node to send this stuff out on
[21:13:02] <Lance> and require the legacy push service to subscribe to it, triggering an approval request for the user to ok it
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[21:20:33] <ralphm> intosi: sorry, but we're done for the day
[21:21:26] <ralphm> https://trac.mediamatic.nl/anyxmpp/
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[21:32:14] <intosi> ralphm: thanks for letting me know.
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[21:35:48] <fippo> :w
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[22:21:57] <bear> http://redis.io/commands/lrange
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[22:36:31] <winfried> Have a nice day!
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[23:03:26] <jabberjocke> started a FOSDEM proposal https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM14/event/1760 
[23:04:11] <jabberjocke> sorry not public yet :(
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[23:06:16] <bear> http://熊.cc
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[23:15:50] <darkrain> http://www.google.com/
[23:16:52] <waqas> http://www.google.com
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[23:17:20] <waqas> ormation you can add that too, in place of any.
share <http://stackoverflow.com/a/13252853>;|improve this answer <http://stackoverflow.com/posts/13252853/edit>;

[23:18:17] <waqas> https://talky.io/xmpp
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