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XMPP Summit discussion

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[07:16:32] <simon.schwantzer> Good morning.
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[07:18:36] <ralphm> hi
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[08:21:28] <simon.schwantzer> Is there already a broadcasting channel to join?
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[09:31:37] <winfried> We had a bit of a internet problem, everybody should be joining the next minutes
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[09:40:51] <jabberjocke> are we doing notes somewhere
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[09:41:57] <ralphm> If anyone wants to scribe, that'd be most appreciated
[09:42:44] <Dave Cridland> Morning folks.
[09:42:59] <intosi> Moin
[09:45:09] <simon.schwantzer> Good morning.
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[09:55:51] <bear> I am doing something that comes close to being a scribe
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[10:10:56] <Dave Cridland> XSF Dinner Menu Form: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?usp=drive_web&formkey=dFJ5Q3N4Q1ZWT3B0aWhBcklnb002eEE6MA#gid=0
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[10:13:27] <Kev> bear: And we are grateful, thank you.
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[10:16:13] <Tobias> is there a youtube broadcast or similar?
[10:17:02] <bear> http://stanza.io
[10:17:20] <hildjj> https://github.com/legastero/stanza.io
[10:17:35] <intosi> ta
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[10:17:49] <intosi> http://otalk.im/
[10:17:50] <hildjj> Tobias: we're a little under-organized this year, even for us.
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[10:18:14] <Tobias> hildjj, ahh...ok
[10:19:09] <ralphm> I forgot to bring my webcam, too
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[10:19:52] <hildjj> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-aggregated-service-discovery-03
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[10:23:52] <valerian> Hey
[10:24:18] <Tobias> hi valerian
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[10:24:43] <valerian> Hi ;) Thanks for the invitation zeank
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[10:26:11] <zeank> hi :)
[10:26:20] <valerian> Hi :)
[10:26:37] <valerian> Any talk going on about JSJaC plugin system, zeank?
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[10:27:29] <zeank> no, that would be up to us I guess ;)
[10:28:02] <lloyd.watkin> FYI https://xmpp-ftw.jit.su/demo (to get playing quickly)
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[10:30:31] <valerian> okay, let's discuss that after the summit then ;)
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[10:31:41] <zeank> yes :)
[10:32:27] <valerian> Oh by the way we released Jappix One there, with full Jingle audio/video support :)
[10:32:51] <valerian> If you guys want to test, it's all running on https://jappix.com/ + downloadable/forkable on https://github.com/jappix/jappix
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[10:33:25] <valerian> It's working great, just that we did not took time to handle restrictive NAT for now, with TURN servers
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[10:35:08] <zeank> (y)
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[10:42:44] <Dave Cridland> Speaking of volunteers, can I borrow a Dutch speaker down by the beanbags? :-)
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[10:43:00] <remko> dave: ?
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[11:08:02] <Kev> https://join.tryacano.com/invited.sf?id=182834436
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[11:11:01] <jabberjocke> please comment edit and change the http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2014 page make the projects intresting
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[11:35:07] <hildjj> sorry to those that haven't been around for a long time. This part of the discussion is always hard to get into for newbies.
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[11:36:07] <hildjj> We were talking about http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html before everything got super-meta.
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[11:38:18] <Dave Cridland> hildjj, Super-meta would be if I pointed out that the XSF had had a formal vote on what the best pizza was. (We decided "meat").
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[12:46:05] <bear> http://www.dnspython.org/docs/1.10.0/html/dns.dnssec-module.html (posted in xsf muc)
[12:46:33] <Tobias> Kev, that link seems to require camera permissions...wonder if that's due to chromes maybe just returning no media if one denies camera
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[12:47:02] <Simon> Anyone here on this list: https://xmpp.net/reports.php#dnssecsrv
[12:47:03] <Simon> ?
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[12:47:25] <paulwitty> Tobias: yes, I believe that's the case
[12:47:37] <Zash> Simon: Depends on your definition of "here" :)
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[13:11:26] <paulwitty> Tobias: you can mute your camera once you've joined
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[13:15:22] <Tobias> paulwitty, thanks...but it crashes for me all the time
[13:15:32] <paulwitty> Chrome does?
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[13:18:10] <Tobias> the website...it reloads at some point
[13:18:48] <Tobias> stalling at Loading media
[13:18:57] <paulwitty> what browser are you using?
[13:19:02] <Tobias> chrome
[13:19:20] <Tobias> Version 33.0.1750.46 beta
[13:20:21] <paulwitty> hmm, that should be good
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[13:21:43] <paulwitty> I'm not in a good position here to be able to do much debugging of it
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[13:22:09] <Tobias> bear, do you scribe in a public place?
[13:22:27] <bear> no sadly - I started doing this when the wifi was off
[13:22:40] <Tobias> ah..ok
[13:22:48] <bear> so it's a text file that I just put notes and comments into
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[13:37:01] <bear> ah, the xsf way of discussing these issues is so ... well... yea, :)
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[13:39:31] <paulwitty> I'll take the video/audio link into the Summit down now, to stop it taking up our bandwidth
[13:39:52] <paulwitty> if anyone remote wants it back (to join with WebRTC), let me know and I'll bring it back
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[13:56:34] <hildjj> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/xmpp/current/msg03084.html
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[13:57:10] <hildjj> To join the list:
[13:57:11] <hildjj> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xmpp
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[13:59:54] <Zash> Is someone going to care if I post "just put a bunch of PEM encoded certificates in a file"
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[14:01:10] <Tobias> Zash, does PEM allow commenting?
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[14:01:35] <hildjj> Zash: feel free. The question at the moment is whether that doc is the *starting* point.
[14:01:43] <Zash> If it's a plain text file with PEM certs in, and declare that anything between them are to be ignored.
[14:01:45] <hildjj> apparently, there's at least one person that wants comments.
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[14:02:12] <hildjj> Warning: as chair, i'm likely to ask you to produce an ID if you're serious. :)
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[14:04:34] <MattJ> ID... identification or Internet Draft?
[14:04:40] <hildjj> Internet Draft
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[14:05:25] <hildjj> It's really quite easy if you start here: http://www.ipv.sx/draftr/
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[14:05:45] <hildjj> Write Markdown, which then generates text and XML.
[14:05:51] <MattJ> Fancy
[14:06:16] <MattJ> What after that? As someone who has never submitted an ID, is there an overview of the process for first-timers?
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[14:06:27] <hildjj> hang on. looking.
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[14:06:56] <hildjj> while i'm looking, the next step is you submit the .txt and .xml here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/
[14:07:10] <hildjj> which does an email auth dance
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[14:08:21] <lloyd.watkin> Is there a URL for the proposed whiteboarding XEP?
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[14:08:29] <Tobias> MattJ, be careful in what you're getting into :)
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[14:08:36] <MattJ> hildjj, thanks :)
[14:08:37] <Tobias> lloyd.watkin, somewhere around github.com/remko?
[14:09:19] <remko> lloyd.watkin: https://github.com/remko/xeps/blob/master/whiteboarding.md
[14:09:25] <Ash> Regarding whiteboarding, does anyone know how this project is doing it? http://coccinella.im/
[14:09:26] <hildjj> "Planning to write an Internet Draft?"


http://www.tschofenig.priv.at/wp/?p=125
[14:09:28] <lloyd.watkin> thanks
[14:09:38] <MattJ> Thanks hildjj :)
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[14:25:06] <Steffen Larsen> cool! shake and bake XMPP
[14:25:29] <zeank> how's that compatible with cats?
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[14:26:38] <hildjj> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0132.html
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[14:26:53] <hildjj> zeank: Internet of Cats
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[14:27:35] <zeank> :-P
[14:28:07] <zeank> I just wonder how shaking is suitable for initiating a friendship request
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[14:28:51] <Link Mauve> My cats don’t like it.
[14:28:57] <intosi> Depends on the type of friendship you're after.
[14:29:20] <zeank> lol
[14:29:27] <Link Mauve> It can include claws.
[14:29:49] <hildjj> you shake the cat and a lightbulb at the same time. Now, whenever the cat enters the room, the lights change to something complementary to its mood, and your stereo plays the cat's theme song.
[14:30:01] <zeank> (y)
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[14:33:14] <Ash> Speaking of which, there was an action from last year I think to split XEP-0060
[14:33:49] <Steffen Larsen> Ash: ha ha.. yes
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[14:33:56] <Ash> Maybe worth picking up again tomorrow
[14:34:09] <Ash> I know XEP-0060 fairly well, so would be happy to help with that
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[14:34:43] <ralphm> Ash: this is my action point
[14:34:53] <ralphm> it just needs to be done
[14:34:57] <ralphm> :-)
[14:35:06] <hildjj> ralph, if ash is willing to take a first crack at it, maybe you could edit from there?
[14:35:15] <hildjj> forward progress > perfection
[14:35:16] <ralphm> Ash: would be great to do something about this soonish
[14:35:38] <Ash> Yeah. Do we have the notes from the discussion last year?
[14:35:54] <ralphm> I think so, but let's chat for a few minutes
[14:36:05] <Ash> :)
[14:36:07] <intosi> I'd be interested in at least listening in.
[14:36:26] <Link Mauve> I’m in too.
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[14:37:12] <ralphm> sounds awesome
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[14:51:38] <hildjj> IoB.
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[14:52:58] <paulwitty> shall we arrange to meet at the hotel at some time to get food & beer?
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[15:04:30] <jabberjocke> yes that would be good!
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[17:05:35] *winfried winks
[17:05:56] <paulwitty> time to go to the bar?#
[17:06:14] <zeank> :-P
[17:06:22] <zeank> I'm still naked! *waiiiiit* :D
[17:06:34] <winfried> NO DONT WAIT!
[17:06:40] <winfried> :-D
[17:06:45] <zeank> :-|
[17:09:45] <ralphm> I'll be down in 2 min.
[17:09:54] <zeank> woah
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[19:44:28] <hildjj> where did people end up?
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