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XMPP Summit discussion

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[07:55:37] <alameyo> should I be added to the list? I never had access to this wiki
[07:57:21] <intosi> alameyo: I could add you if you like.
[07:57:31] <intosi> Assuming you mean to the list of summit participants :)
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[08:00:27] <alameyo> yes
[08:01:07] <alameyo> Paweł Ścibiorski
[08:01:36] <alameyo> 1 - 5 feb
[08:02:47] <intosi> I seem to have lost my abilities to add users, but I've added you to the summit participant list.
[08:03:17] <alameyo> ok thanks
[08:03:46] <SouL> Guus, ok thank you. I will send it as soon as I can today. I apologise if it is too late, sorry.
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[08:31:03] <Guus> I'm trying to remember what route we took from Cisco to the hotel last year
[08:31:19] <Guus> we took the train from Diegem, to... Brussel-Schuman?
[08:31:25] <Guus> we didn't have any stopovers, iirc
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[08:34:16] <Guus> ah, yes. There's a direct train between the two
[08:37:27] <intosi> Guus: yes, that would work.
[08:37:49] <intosi> The alternative is via either Centraal or Noord. You want to avoid the latter :)
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[08:38:29] <intosi> Also: good busy!
[08:39:07] <Kev> I *think* I've always gone via Centraal.
[08:41:32] <Guus> the direct line seems to run once an hour
[08:44:37] <Guus> How did that payment system work again? I seem to recall that there were some kind of tickets that allowed you free travel within Brussels for a day. Did that include that train?
[08:45:27] <Kev> There were multi-hop things for the metro and the tram, I don't believe they covered trains.
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[08:49:16] <Guus> ah, maybe those where the ones that I vaguely recall. Thanks
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[08:52:54] <intosi> I think that the Jump day passes cover NMBS travel within the Brussels Hoofdstedelijk Gewest.
[08:53:16] <intosi> http://www.stib-mivb.be/article.html?l=en&_guid=d0707200-2683-3410-479e-b21a51d668f0
[08:53:38] <intosi> But you'll need to buy a MOBIB card for that.
[08:54:35] <intosi> You might need such a card anyway these days.
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[08:55:13] <Kev> I haven't got a day pass for years, I think,I've just bought the 10-jump cards when I arrive.
[08:59:34] <alameyo> is changing lines like new journey or i.e. once you enter metro, you can change lines as you wish within single journey?
[09:00:05] <Kev> I believe you can switch, but I only do this once a year, so my memory may be off.
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[09:15:54] <intosi> Ah, Diegem is *just* outside of the Capital Region. Of course it is.
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[12:37:58] <Guus> The Summit is going to be busy! Several people are listing a +1
[12:38:03] <Guus> I'm counting 29 now
[12:38:23] <Guus> (one of which is a 'maybe on the last day only')
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[13:01:52] <intosi> Nice
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[14:59:11] <Guus> Zash, you're not joining us at the Summit after all? (I noticed your name was removed from the wiki page)?
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[15:02:05] <Guus> For those that want to attend the Summit, and have not yet send me their email address: _please do so now_. It's needed to generate a wifi code, as well as building access.
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[17:06:57] <Zash> Guus: Sadly no.
[17:07:04] <Guus> ah, to bad.
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[19:42:53] <SouL> intosi, thank you for the link. I'm checking that.
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[19:43:18] <SouL> Does someone come from the airport? BRU
[19:44:08] <SouL> I've never been there so any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
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[19:48:59] <SouL> I'm trying to find out how to get from the airport to the hotel and such, how mobility works there...
[19:49:18] <SouL> When I arrived to Copenhagen, the difference was a blast for me
[19:49:28] <SouL> Compared to what I was used
[19:49:34] <Zash> The times I went I usually got myself to the bus terminal and went from there
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[20:04:33] <SouL> Zash, thanks, is it near the airport?
[20:04:53] <Zash> It's basically one of the exits
[20:05:42] <Zash> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/15242087
[20:06:15] <Zash> I suppose there's the train as well, but I don't remember if I ever figured out how to buy a ticket for that
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[20:08:49] <SouL> Zash, oh cool! Thank you very much. Did you buy any of these tickets listed here? http://www.stib-mivb.be/article.html?l=en&_guid=d0707200-2683-3410-479e-b21a51d668f0
Or if you were able to buy them right there at the airport.
[20:08:57] <Guus> Soul: the airport and the cisco offices are pretty close-by. A taxi (or Uber, don't know if Brussels has those?) is probably cheap enough
[20:08:58] <SouL> If I ask too much just say it haha
[20:09:38] <Guus> as for going back/forth between Cisco and the Hotel, you should look at trains from Diegem to Brussels-Schuman
[20:10:12] <Zash> I've always wondered if it's possible to just take a walk from the airport to cisco diegem
[20:10:42] <Zash> being so close, but that highway between is pretty big
[20:10:43] <Guus> Zash, I don't know, but I think it's crossing a highway, which might require a significant detour.
[20:11:49] <Guus> Google maps suggests 5km / 55 minutes walking.
[20:13:10] <Zash> SouL: IIRC, it's roughly up to get to the bus terminal and down to get to the train station.
[20:13:19] <Zash> Huge maze of an airport tho
[20:15:57] <SouL> Thank you guys! So I guess on Wednesday I should go from the airport to Brussels-Schuman and for what I see, the hotel is just close to that, walking straight
[20:17:17] <SamWhited> I really love the big light rail train up to Diegem; I'm looking forward to taking that again.
[20:19:01] <Holger> > Or if you were able to buy them right there at the airport.

SouL: Yes there's a ticket machine.
[20:19:19] <Holger> SouL: I bought one of those "JUMP 24h, 48h, 72h + BUS Airport" in the past.
[20:20:11] <Holger> SouL: There's cheaper tickets for travelling all of Brussels *except* the airport area. IIRC you don't get those at the airport automat.
[20:20:40] <Holger> E.g. the 24h ticket at the airport is 7.50, the regular Brussels-only one is 4.50 EUR.
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[20:22:53] <Holger> Oh:

> To purchase this ticket, you need to be in possession of a personal MOBIB or MOBIB Basic. This cards cost 5 EUR [...].

Sigh, I think this was different last year. They sold cheaper tickets if you had that card, but I payed 7.50/day without a card.
[20:24:01] <SamWhited> I think 7.50 was about what I paid at Brussels Central last year for a 24 hour ticket; I can't remember if you could use that one to get back to the airport though, I don't think you could.
[20:24:32] <SamWhited> But you could get that at the station too, not just at the airport.
[20:24:51] <Guus> The airport is a distinctly different zone from the rest of Brussels public transportation zone
[20:25:23] <alameyo> "If you wish to buy a personal MOBIB card, you will need your electronic identity card (eID) and €5. If you don’t have an eID or if you would like a more recent picture than the one on your eID, please bring an identity picture."
[20:25:24] <Guus> Last year I took a train to Brussels, got off early (at the airport), and actually had to pay _extra_ (for travelling less distance)
[20:25:38] <alameyo> so to buy this card I have to bring my picture lol
[20:25:41] <alameyo> ?
[20:25:57] <Guus> alameyo: don't bring yourself, bring a picture!
[20:26:42] <Guus> if only people would invent like mobile devices that can be used to record a static image of someones face...
[20:27:06] <Guus> but, I'm off for today. good night!
[20:27:47] <alameyo> sure, but it explicitly states "bring an identity picture"
[20:29:27] <Holger> I'll probably fail to get a ticket and just spend my days at the airport.
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[20:34:39] <alameyo> yep, better I'll take a tent or smth in case of stucking at the airport
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[20:42:26] <Guus> alameyo: please prepare yourself! https://g.co/kgs/kM5BwW
[20:42:52] <alameyo> good movie :D
[20:43:32] <Holger> > MOBIB is a plastic chip-card which has to be validated at metro stations or on buses/trams by holding it against the white circle on the red machines; JUMP is a paper/card ticket that has to be stamped in orange machines

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g188644-s303/Brussels:Belgium:Public.Transportation.html
[20:44:05] <Holger> This sounds like I need *no* plastic card for JUMP tickets, no? That's how I remembered things to work.
[20:45:24] <alameyo> oh I figured out that there is version "basic" of this plastic card which doesn't require picture
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