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XMPP Summit discussion

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[08:03:39] <SaltyBones> where can I find the program again?
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[08:08:52] <intosi> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_22 IIRC
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[08:11:43] <SaltyBones> Hm...we should decide on a time at which we meet at some point. :)
[08:14:01] <mathieui> it has been notified on list, at least
[08:14:43] <SouL> SaltyBones, check this out https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/summit/2018-January/001882.html
[08:16:51] <SaltyBones> ah, thank you
[08:19:45] <intosi> I have updated the wiki page as well.
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[08:53:31] <SamWhited> Thon EU is fancier than the central location… I am excited to have a red duck this time.
[08:53:57] <intosi> Excellent!
[08:54:08] <SouL> Red duck?
[08:54:28] <intosi> Your coding efficiency will be record high with an actual rubber duck.
[08:54:34] <Guus> Don't spoil the surprise!!
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[08:55:34] <SamWhited> Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait…
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[08:56:07] <SamWhited> SouL: you'll see… (if you did the group reservation)
[08:56:43] <SamWhited> intosi: I still haven't finished my slides, so I will make good use of it.
[08:57:14] <intosi> Good, good.
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[09:23:16] <SaltyBones> I think I have managed to move all my meetings and might actually be there tomorrow.
[09:23:36] <SaltyBones> I'm not sure why, but I find that surprising. :)
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[09:26:14] <Guus> awesome, good to have you there!
[09:40:52] <SouL> SamWhited [09:55]:
> Guus: I was going to take a picture, but Conversations doesn't support 0382 so I guess I'll wait…
It has been always in my plans, I hope soon take a look at the code again
[09:41:09] <SamWhited> excellent!
[09:43:44] <SaltyBones> Can't 0382 functionality be emulated by posting a link?
[09:44:25] <SouL> SaltyBones, the idea is that clients that have inline image display, could hide that, for instance
[09:44:36] <SouL> Some clients parse the link and download the image to display it
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[10:00:09] <SamWhited> Does anyone know off the top of their head if ING will change money if you're not a customer (I was so sad they sold their U.S. branch, now my bank doesn't work in Europe anymore :( )
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[10:00:23] <Guus> As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!
[10:00:59] <SamWhited> Guus: what day is the dinner? The form doesn't say.
[10:01:41] <SouL> SamWhited, in Thursday
[10:01:44] <SouL> I would say?
[10:02:00] <Guus> Thursday, yes
[10:02:21] <SamWhited> ooh, this is the place that had really good Escargot; excellent!
[10:02:50] <Guus> I have now added the date to the form, thanks Sam
[10:03:02] <SouL> on Thursday, not in Thursday... My english.. Hah :D
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[10:14:14] <SouL> Form filled
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[10:24:49] <SouL> Guus, could you check if you received my form? It's just that I haven't got any email back. If you can't right now (I understand, I'm hurrying myself) don't worry.
[10:27:19] <Guus> SouL: you'll have the roast chicken, amongst others.
[10:30:05] <mathieui> Guus, dinner choices are hard :(
[10:31:01] <Guus> mathieui: I like to challenge you. :)
[10:32:36] <jonasw> I’m hungry, that’s not fair
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[10:33:05] <mathieui> that too
[10:35:08] <SouL> Guus, haha, great!
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[10:35:36] <SouL> Yeah it's hard, since it's my first time I picked chicken, there are usually no surprises with chicken xD
[10:35:51] <mathieui> surprises in fancy restaurants are usually good
[10:36:10] <mathieui> except that one time in the US where all we’ve got was $80 fried chicken
[10:38:16] <jonasw> mathieui, mh, I’m sceptical
[10:38:23] <jonasw> but I’m also not attending, so I’ll shut up :)
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[10:43:29] <vanitasvitae> Had to google translate most of the menu :D
[10:44:16] <Guus> I've provided french, english and dutch translations of the menu! That wasn't enough?!
[10:44:59] <vanitasvitae> :D I ddidnt know what "escargots" were. Now I know 😖
[10:45:04] <intosi> All of the menu? No, not all. Had to google Brésilienne :)
[10:45:19] <Guus> thatś the one that I didn find with certainty :)
[10:45:32] <intosi> Heh
[10:45:41] <vanitasvitae> Is it normal that the submit button has no visual feedback?
[10:47:33] <Guus> dunno?
[10:47:54] <intosi> It gave feedback to me.
[10:48:14] <intosi> New page confirming I had submitted the form, and a link to edit my response.
[10:48:42] <vanitasvitae> Guus did you receive my choice?
[10:48:58] <Guus> vanitasvitae: no.
[10:49:14] <Guus> did you miss a required question somehwere?
[10:51:09] <vanitasvitae> Ah chrome did the trick
[10:51:42] <alameyo> submitted
[10:51:54] <Guus> srly? you need a specific browser to fill out a form? wow.
[10:52:08] <alameyo> I have done it from firefox
[10:53:27] <alameyo> did you tried Lynx or smth like that?
[10:55:37] <ralphm> 11 responses and counting
[10:55:45] <ralphm> Dame Blanche going strong
[10:55:56] <SaltyBones> Everybody likes Dame Blanche. :p
[10:57:11] <SaltyBones> soul, the reasoning in 0382 is correct but between providing the interface for sending such spoilers and the possibility for clients to ignore them just like they might preload links it seems like a dubious feature. :)
[10:58:40] <SamWhited> I love walking in places where the signs aren't in English and no one speaks it, saying a random thing on the menu, answering yes to any questions and then seeing what comes out, so no translations necessary as far as I'm concerned :)
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[11:05:24] <ralphm> Preferably with non-latin scripts?
[11:08:51] <soul> SaltyBones: will read you later, I'm soaked and my luggage too, argh
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[11:12:21] <SamWhited> ralphm: indeed, that's even better!
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[11:17:46] <Link Mauve> Aaah, I’m late for my train! >_<
[11:17:56] <Link Mauve> I hope nothing will happen on the way.
[11:18:01] <Link Mauve> See you later. \o_
[11:18:10] <intosi> Safe travels!
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[11:39:21] <Guus> Dinner update: I've just been in contact with the restaurant. If people would like to have a vegetarian dinner, that'll be possible. Some of the menu items are vegetarian (or will be slightly modified to be vegetarian). For a main course, there can be a pasta. If you're interested in a vegatarian option, please add that as a comment to the form (and tell the waiter tomorrow, when ordering)
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[12:14:34] <SaltyBones> soul, welcome to belgium
[12:16:44] <soul> SaltyBones: haha, I'm still in Copenhagen, It was raining on my way to the airport.
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[12:21:41] <SaltyBones> soul, okay, then the current light drizzle might even be an improvement. ;)
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[13:18:41] <Link Mauve> I managed to catch my train, in extremis!
[13:20:03] <Guus> You make it sound as if you were standing next to the tracks, with a baseball-glove on, and stopped the train while it was passing you.
[13:20:37] <Guus> but, good for you :)
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[13:24:06] <Link Mauve> Oh, it doesn’t also have the meaning of “just on time” in English?
[13:24:24] <SamWhited> It does; glad you caught it! See you soon!
[13:24:57] <Guus> link Mauve: yes it does, but I like to make silly puns
[13:24:59] <Link Mauve> I don’t have anything planned for the afternoon, does anyone want to walk around and talk afterwards?
[13:25:37] <Link Mauve> I’m arriving in Zuid at 3:47pm.
[13:27:08] <SamWhited> Link Mauve: I'll be around and will hopefully have finished my slides by then; it's a bit drizzly, but I'm game to walk around.
[13:28:52] <Link Mauve> Ok!
[13:30:29] <soul> I'm landing at 16:45 and from the airport to the Hotel. It's my first time there so I have no idea how much it will take for me.
[13:31:17] <Guus> weather warning: it'll be cold and miserable in Brussels until saterday/sunday (after that, it'll only be cold).
[13:31:44] <SamWhited> soul: it doesn't take very long; I caught a train to Bru-Central and then just walked from there (though you can also swap to the metro and take it right to the Hotel if you want to avoid the rain)
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[13:42:32] <soul> SamWhited: is it better to go to Bruxelles-Schuman? Is all I kept in my mind from what Guus said.
[13:43:09] <SamWhited> soul: yes, if there's a train that goes there
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[13:44:17] <SamWhited> I don't think any of the ones I saw stopped there, but maybe I just had bad timing
[13:44:45] <mathieui> Link Mauve, don’t forget to tell me where I sleep tonight, at some point
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[13:45:00] <soul> mathieui: so brave :)
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[13:46:07] <soul> SamWhited: ah ok, I see. Thanks, will try to check before boarding.
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[13:52:34] <Link Mauve> mathieui, ah right, I need to figure it out.
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[14:19:10] <Guus> Reminder: As time is running out (apologies for the delay), I'm cross-posting this invitation for _you_ to attend the XSF Dinner 2018 in a couple of places. Please help me spread the word! If you're interested in joining us, please RSVP by fill out a short form at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 but do so today!
[14:19:47] <Guus> (about half of the summit attendees have filled out the form)
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[14:22:54] <soul> Good
[14:23:45] <soul> Our airplane is waiting for the pilot
[14:24:09] <soul> 20 minutes for now
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[14:24:25] <jonasw> that sounds very reassuring
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[14:27:57] <Guus> I think it is a good thing that they wait for a pilot, before leaving.
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[14:32:39] <soul> Guus: haha, you are extra funny today :D
[14:32:48] <soul> Well, he is here finally
[14:33:08] <intosi> Did you proceed to offload his luggage?
[14:33:31] <Link Mauve> SamWhited, I’m arriving, where do you want to meet?
[14:33:46] <intosi> May I suggest Poechenellekelder? ;)
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[14:34:57] <intosi> (for you guys, I will not be in Brussels until tomorrow)
[14:36:40] <Link Mauve> 21 minutes by feet from the train station, wfm!
[14:37:19] <intosi> See Manneken Pis, have a selection of beers :)
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[14:50:39] <Link Mauve> SamWhited, ping?
[14:52:17] <Link Mauve> I won’t have Internet anymore once I leave.
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[14:53:32] <Guus> I've tried pinging Sam for you in private - no response yet.
[14:54:17] <Link Mauve> The wifi in Zuid is weird, they allow for two minutes of connection if I don’t give my email address, after which I have to change my MAC address. ^^'
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[14:55:24] <Guus> two minutes? just long enough to check for the train schedule, I guess? :)
[14:56:13] <Guus> If you want to go to the hotel by metro: Maalbeek metro station is closest by
[14:56:56] <Guus> Brussel-Schuman is just one stop further, but is a station for both train as well as metro.
[14:57:17] <Link Mauve> To check for the email they sent me. ^^
[14:57:17] <Guus> (assuming that you're staying in Thon EU)
[14:57:44] <Link Mauve> (I’m not sure where I’m staying, but I didn’t book any hotel (yet?).)
[14:58:11] <Guus> Sam might have figured out that Brussels is the chocolate capitol of the world... in which case I doubt if we hear back from him anytime soon ;)
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[14:58:41] <Link Mauve> (It was originally planned to be at a friend’s place, but he moved outside of Brussels since then.)
[14:59:01] <Guus> Link Mauve: ok, let me know if I can be of help
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[15:13:56] <Link Mauve> I sent a few calls for help during the train, I hope some will answer. ^^'
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[15:36:10] <SamWhited> Link Mauve: oops, sorry, I dozed off
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[15:40:36] <Link Mauve> SamWhited, still want to meet somewhere? :)
[15:41:15] <SamWhited> sure, are you near the hotel at all?
[15:41:53] <Link Mauve> No, I’m still at Zuid.
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[15:58:16] <Guus> monar, Hantu.sc, bg, Dwisnewski, Holger, MattJ (and Ethan), michalwski: if you want to join us at dinner tomorrow, please RSVP at https://goo.gl/forms/vgzWXyiRo5ne43yX2 - do so today please!
[15:58:45] <Guus> (as well as anyone else that feels like joining)
[15:58:48] <intosi> You realise some are not in this room, I hope :)
[16:03:16] <Guus> Yeah, I just compiled and copy/pasted that set of usernames by hand
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[16:22:13] <Link Mauve> SamWhited, found anything? :)
[16:22:23] <Link Mauve> Otherwise I suggest going where intosi suggested.
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[16:23:42] <SamWhited> Link Mauve: that sounds good to me, I remember liking that place
[16:23:57] <Link Mauve> Ok, I’ll be there in about 20 minutes!
[16:24:25] <SamWhited> I'll start walking that way, I should be there in 20–25
[16:25:11] <SamWhited> I won't have cell service, but I'll try to find some wifi if I can't find you.
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[16:46:37] <jonasw> good luck finding a place, Link Mauve
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[17:36:03] <soul> SamWhited, Link Mauve: where are you guys?
[17:36:19] <soul> I'm with jcbrand, maybe we can join?
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[17:41:29] <Guus> soul: I think neither has internet.
[17:41:37] <soul> Perfect
[17:43:47] <SamWhited> soul: oops, we're at Manneken Pis
[17:44:09] <SamWhited> there is wifi here, if I were paying attention to my phone :)
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[17:44:32] <soul> SamWhited: but are you in a bar or something or just standing at the statue?
[17:44:57] <SamWhited> soul: There's a bar with the sane name next door :)
[17:45:36] <soul> SamWhited: ok, we are looking how to get ther
[17:45:40] <SamWhited> same, even
[17:46:04] <SamWhited> excellent, see you soon hopefully!
[17:52:21] <jcbrand> SamWhited are you also staying at Thon? How did you get to Manneken Pis? Walking/taxi/bus?
[17:53:28] <jcbrand> OSMand says it's 17 minutes walking
[17:54:00] <SamWhited> jcbrand: I walked, but the train goes nearby too
[17:54:07] <SamWhited> the metro that is
[17:56:03] <jcbrand> ok, we'll walk as well, see you in about ~20
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[17:59:13] <SamWhited> See you soon!
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[18:52:53] <jonasw> have a lot of fun people :)
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[20:10:02] <Guus> allright - I'm wrapping up for today. If you need me for something that cannot wait until the summit, mail me. See you guys tomorrow!
[20:11:14] <Tobias> nn
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[20:31:02] <Kev> Do people have a plan for Thon to Diegem in the morning?
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[20:31:24] <Kev> Seems to be a direct train from Schuman at 09:31, but that doesn't leave any room for error.
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[20:32:08] <intosi> Kev: feel free to update the wiki if you think an earlier train should be taken.
[20:32:25] <Kev> Ah, does the wiki already list this? /me goes to look
[20:32:40] <intosi> I updated it this morning with an itinerary.
[20:32:57] <SaltyBones> I'm taking the metro to diegem...
[20:33:08] <SaltyBones> but I'm not at Thon
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[20:33:24] <Kev> Does the metro go to diegem?
[20:33:32] <Kev> I thought it was just trains.
[20:34:12] <intosi> It's trains or busses.
[20:34:18] <intosi> The metro doesn't run there.
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[20:35:09] <Kev> Times from Centraal don't seem any more convenient really.
[20:35:18] <intosi> metro / train is an option when you're near the Grand Place.
[20:35:38] <intosi> That's why I opted to mention the direct train on the wiki.
[20:35:38] <Kev> 09:34 from Centraal will get you in not very late.
[20:35:44] <Holger> Do I need a separate ticket for the trains?
[20:35:53] <Kev> 09:04 will get you in with 30 to spare or so.
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[20:36:00] <Holger> Different from the Jump thing that works for Bus/Metro?
[20:36:36] <Tobias> i think so...especially since it's out of the city area
[20:36:46] <intosi> IIRC, you need a separate ticket for the train.
[20:36:55] <Kev> Yes, you need a train ticket for that.
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[20:38:18] <SaltyBones> Ah, sorry. I just call the S trains metro....
[20:38:39] <Holger> Okay. (There's a somewhat more expensive Jump ticket that lets you travel to the airport, I guess that would include Diegem. But not by train then.)
[20:38:42] <SaltyBones> I have never figured out the exact nomenclature for trains, metro, subs, trams, etc
[20:39:08] <intosi> In Brussels, there's even the pre-metro, which isn't metro quite yet.
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[21:30:58] <mathieui> I like that you need to buy a €5 card to buy tickets in bulk
[21:31:25] <mathieui> Even paris is less of a ripoff
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[21:41:15] <alameyo> oh, I know city where you can almost exclusively buy tickets in bulk of 5
[21:42:13] <alameyo> you can got for a trip there and back twice
[21:42:29] <alameyo> and you are left with one more ticket
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[21:47:16] <mathieui> Sounds perfect
[21:50:26] <mathieui> The thon hotel lobby music is some evil stuff, it's a short tune in an infinite loop
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[22:07:51] <soul> I payed 8,90€ for the ticket from the airport to Brussels-Schuman (train)
[22:08:06] <soul> No idea if there was a better option
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[22:10:11] <Holger> Last year I payed 7.50 € for a day pass and went by bus.
[22:17:23] <alameyo> ahh, airlines canceled my flight
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[22:30:07] <SamWhited> sure thing, see you tomorrow
[22:30:25] <SamWhited> *facepapm* PM
[22:35:45] <alameyo> I will be about hour later
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[22:36:35] <alameyo> so turns out it isn't so bad
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