XMPP Summit - 2019-01-23

Please select your menu for the XSF Dinner here: https://goo.gl/forms/hEtClRjLu7QqFkwS2

No selection => no food for you.

Hmmm

Slightly OT: Does somebody have a list of XMPP related talks at FOSDEM? I found: Sunday 09:25 Goffi: XMPP Beyond Instant Messaging

Sunday 14:00 JC: Converse Sunday 16:05 pep.: Make XMPP sprint again ✏

https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2019#Submitted_Talks

Another from goffi in the afternoon.

There's even a wiki page :)

!!!!

too bad, goffis second talk conflicts with pep.s

It's fine you don't have to come to mine :-°

https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/7fdbe383-caa3-45e1-b8eb-f7700e9c8718/lje8BEr_RxGdsKdiTZ-lFA.jpg

To lazy to type on mobile

Very high tech

My dad taught me

To counter, I'm currently looking like this:

https://xmpp.igniterealtime.org:7483/httpfileupload/df4ff1ed-270e-4bcc-baa0-80f26c8542d2/pH71MZ2PQgih92C9YVUxoQ.jpg

Woah

https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/track/real_time_communications_rtc/

The cyborgs are among us!

There is also a talk about OTR4

:D

debacle: yes I know, and first one is really early when everybody will be partying the night before :-/

goffi, very good: people will party til 9, then they go to your talk and then they will sleep

and dream of SàT

ah ah

There are also some M.A.T.R.I.X. related talks: Saturday 14:00 Matrix in the French State Saturday 16:15 Displaying other Application data into a Wiki Sunday 10:40 Breaking the 100 bits per second barrier with Matrix

100 bits per second? :|

Probably some kind of joke.

100 bits per second, try that with XMPP ...

OT, again: Can somebody please make an XMPP enabled version of ConfClerk? It's nice that I mark the talks I like to see, but it would be much nicer, if I could share my selection with my colleagues, so that we can coordinate ourselves.

debacle‎: not a joke

"Matrix has always theoretically supported alternative transports, and we finally got an excuse to build one and push it to a ludicrous extreme - to try to operate usably over links as low as 100bps, as high as 4s latency, and up to 40% jitter"

oli, with XMPP it's: <bit role="mostsignificantbit">1</bit> etc.

https://isode.com/whitepapers/low-bandwidth-xmpp.html

debacle, ITYM https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html

"Meet COI (Chat over IMAP) - a powerful contender for WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and other proprietary messengers."

> “What about XMPP and Matrix.org?” – glad you asked! We love XMPP and Matrix.org because they provide a great solution – this only solves the problem in theory though. With XMPP and Matrix.org-based services you would still need to convince everyone to join your new network. Easy in theory, very complex in practice!

Chat over email also sounds nice in theory. But in practice... good luck.

There was already DeltaChat which attempted something similar.

A comrade of mine is a proponent of it, but I haven’t heard any sound argument so far.

Zash: it's chat over imap, might be without the smtp stuff

i don't know

if this involves full blown email shit, good look in convincing people to install their own servers.

oli: then you're in extension hell. enjoy.

email is hell

can you submit email over imap yet?

Zash: yes and no, no standard for this

but workarounds that work

Wasn't there an extension?

maybe

And then there's the crowd trying to kill IMAP and replace it with JSON and HTTP

jmap

yes

it's quite cool

No

anyway, the speaker's company is developing the dovecot imap server.

Zash: JMAP has a better design than IMAP in my oppinion

We should ask the fastmail guys how to do chat over it 😂

"debacle> There is also a talk about OTR4", probably similar to the one at CCC?

pep. Maybe - I wasn't there

debacle: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9596-no_evidence_of_communication_and_morality_in_protocols_off-the-record_protocol_version_4

Basically they are now using the double ratchet thing, doing PFS (now?), but still only 1:1 (resource to resource)