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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[12:06:46] <Nÿco> ding!
[12:07:03] <stpeter> hey :)
[12:07:10] <stpeter> I'm in the wrong room, I see :)
[12:07:16] <Nÿco> yes?
[12:07:20] <Nÿco> board or here?
[12:07:43] <stpeter> here is fine with me, unless those Board people think they are too special :)
[12:08:01] <Nÿco> we are! ;-)
[12:08:03] <bear> is this the meeting room?
[12:08:38] <stpeter> Nÿco: :)
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[12:09:02] <Nÿco> http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board
[12:09:11] <stpeter> Nÿco: great, I love etherpad!
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[12:09:35] <Nÿco> Calling out loud Jask anf Florian!
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[12:09:48] <Nÿco> oh some blue edits ;-)
[12:09:53] <jack> teach me to get lost in a blog post :)
[12:09:59] <stpeter> jack: :)
[12:10:20] <stpeter> BTW we have logging now
[12:10:36] <Nÿco> cool
[12:10:41] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/100310/
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[12:11:20] <Nÿco> sorry ;-)
[12:11:30] <stpeter> we have a Y21xx problem there :)
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[12:11:51] <Florian> are we meeting here?
[12:11:53] <Nÿco> everybody here
[12:11:57] <stpeter> Florian: seems so :)
[12:12:02] <Florian> I thought it was board@
[12:12:04] <Nÿco> 1/ XEP-00000001
[12:12:12] <stpeter> taking minutes at http://etherpad.com/2010-03-10-XSF-Board
[12:12:13] <Nÿco> sorry
[12:12:33] <Nÿco> to stpeter, wer'e not so 'special' enough... ;-)
[12:13:01] <Nÿco> let's talk about the mother of all XEPs
[12:13:05] <jack> ok
[12:13:07] <stpeter> heh
[12:13:09] *jack bangs the gavel
[12:13:31] <stpeter> so Dave Cridland raised some questions about XEP-0001 and it was a bit out of date
[12:13:43] <stpeter> it said we did things one way but in fact we did them another way
[12:13:45] <stpeter> small stuff
[12:14:02] <jack> +1 on all those changes
[12:14:18] <Florian> +1
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[12:15:01] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0001-1.20.html#appendix-revs has the revision history
[12:15:07] <Nÿco> still reading...
[12:15:12] <stpeter> no hurry
[12:15:19] <stpeter> you can post to the list about it
[12:15:25] <stpeter> jack posted the diff, too
[12:15:34] <Nÿco> you don't like "Jabber" anymore... :'(
[12:15:50] <stpeter> I love Jabber, but others don't :P
[12:16:06] <stpeter> however the problem is mostly going away now
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[12:16:14] <Nÿco> the most important changes are about time periodss
[12:16:18] <stpeter> which makes me happy :)
[12:16:20] <stpeter> yes
[12:16:28] <stpeter> some of the time periods were just wrong
[12:16:39] <stpeter> e.g., we decided to defer XEPs after 12 months
[12:16:47] <stpeter> but we never updated XEP-0001 about that
[12:17:33] <stpeter> the most significant one is "Changed the holding period for advancement from Draft to Final from 60 days to 6 months."
[12:17:46] <stpeter> but we've never taken less than a few years to push something from Draft to Final :)
[12:17:55] <Nÿco> ok, no objection for me, that's a +1
[12:17:59] <stpeter> and 60 days really is too short!
[12:18:01] <stpeter> ok
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[12:18:20] <Nÿco> except "Attention"?
[12:18:36] <Nÿco> Will, do you vote?
[12:18:43] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0224.html ? that is Draft
[12:19:05] <Will Sheward> +1 on everything ;)
[12:19:18] <Will Sheward> Before conection goes
[12:19:22] <Nÿco> ok
[12:19:23] <jack> Next item, should WIll send us all $1000 each.
[12:19:29] *bear chuckles
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[12:19:30] <Will Sheward> Ahhhhhh
[12:19:51] <jack> ok, patent/copyright policy
[12:19:59] <Nÿco> it's in the meeting notes ;-)
[12:20:01] <jack> i think the document is fine
[12:20:15] <jack> ido think we will need to put NOTE WELL stuff in the official chat rooms and mailing lists e-mails
[12:20:21] <Will Sheward> I've read, no objections here
[12:20:23] <jack> (ie, when you join list/room or when you get a reminder)
[12:20:24] <stpeter> jack: that is the main driver
[12:20:33] <stpeter> this issue was raised by Nokia
[12:20:41] <stpeter> because the IETF has a similar policy
[12:20:47] <jack> and we should have a compulsory slide at hte summits like at IETF meetings
[12:20:54] <stpeter> but you could argue that things were ambigous in the XSF
[12:21:01] <stpeter> jack: yes
[12:21:23] <Nÿco> good ideads
[12:21:33] <Nÿco> in ML welcome messages also?
[12:21:36] <stpeter> as a next step, I would like to put this document in the "inbox" and have some wider discussion
[12:21:44] <stpeter> Nÿco: yes!
[12:21:48] <Will Sheward> Ok
[12:21:50] <jack> yeah, +1 on wider discussion
[12:21:55] <Nÿco> sure
[12:21:59] <Florian> +1 for discussion
[12:22:12] <stpeter> ok I'll send out a message about this on the standards@ list
[12:22:25] <stpeter> BTW this policy would not apply to non-XSF venues
[12:22:31] <Will Sheward> +1 if it does cost me $1000
[12:22:39] <Will Sheward> not cost
[12:22:45] <stpeter> e.g., jdev@jabber.org is not an XSF venue because it's hosted at jabber.org, I suppose
[12:22:55] <Florian> right
[12:23:03] <stpeter> so we'll need to make that clear, or move the list to xmpp.org, or something
[12:23:11] <stpeter> or make an "xdev" list ;-)
[12:23:31] <stpeter> anyway, I'll post to the standards@ list about this
[12:24:13] <stpeter> next?
[12:24:15] <jack> next topic, summit #9
[12:24:23] <stpeter> yep :)
[12:24:27] <Nÿco> palce and date?
[12:24:30] <jack> i assume we need to contact OSCON to get a room reserved?
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[12:24:31] <stpeter> two summits a year is a lot to manage :)
[12:24:34] <stpeter> jack: yes
[12:24:42] <Florian> :)
[12:24:49] <jack> 7/19-7/23 are the OSCON dates
[12:24:50] <stpeter> Nÿco: I assume Portland Oregon the week of OSCON
[12:25:00] <jack> and it's back in portland
[12:25:04] <stpeter> yep
[12:25:05] <Florian> who of the board will be there?
[12:25:09] <stpeter> much better location
[12:25:11] <Will Sheward> Me
[12:25:22] <Nÿco> no sure yet...
[12:25:27] <jack> i'll be there unless something weird happens
[12:25:52] <stpeter> I need to be in Maastricht the next week for IETF 78
[12:25:56] <Will Sheward> wierd? To Portland or you?
[12:25:57] <stpeter> but I'll manage
[12:26:17] <jack> will: either :)
[12:26:20] <bear> not on the board... but i'm trying like heck to be there
[12:26:40] <jack> stpeter: no XMPP tutorial session this year? :)
[12:26:50] <stpeter> jack: probably not
[12:26:51] <Nÿco> oscon 2010
[12:27:14] <stpeter> I will reach out to my O'Reilly friends
[12:27:39] <stpeter> fritzy said he might be able to assist with local planning because he's not too far from there
[12:27:53] <jack> great, that would help a lot
[12:27:58] <stpeter> yeah
[12:28:09] <Florian> indeed
[12:28:12] <stpeter> I'll see if our Jive friends can help, too
[12:29:18] <bear> I just pinged my new boss to see if Mozilla has a presence - maybe I can wrangle something with them
[12:29:26] <jack> something has just come up and i hae to leave. i'll just say that i'm in favor of GSoC this year
[12:29:27] <stpeter> ok
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[12:29:32] <jack> i'll catch up on list later today
[12:29:41] <stpeter> jack: ok
[12:29:45] <Florian> great
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[12:30:24] <Nÿco> that's it for OSCON?
[12:30:28] <stpeter> bear: in past years O'Reilly has been able to give us a room because they book the whole conference center but the first two days are quiet so they have open rooms
[12:30:42] <stpeter> yes, that's it
[12:30:48] <stpeter> I'll report back about the room
[12:31:00] <Nÿco> will we do that summit haskfest from friday to monday?
[12:31:13] <stpeter> ah
[12:31:14] <stpeter> well
[12:31:27] <stpeter> at OSCON we've done it differently -- just a two-day meeting
[12:31:35] <stpeter> because there is no FOSDEM in between :)
[12:31:40] <stpeter> OSCON has a different structure
[12:31:46] <stpeter> more "corporate"
[12:31:51] <Florian> I hope I find the funds to attend :)
[12:31:56] <stpeter> not the same feeling as FOSDEM
[12:32:04] <Florian> want to see how it's going across the pond?
[12:32:08] <Will Sheward> fosdem with suits my kindof place
[12:32:15] <stpeter> Will Sheward: exactly!
[12:32:56] <stpeter> Will Sheward: any news on the website? how can we help?
[12:33:15] <Will Sheward> outstading tasks are in jive
[12:33:24] <stpeter> oh they are?
[12:33:28] <Will Sheward> just need to parcel up and do
[12:33:32] <stpeter> I'm not receiving notifications about those :(
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[12:34:02] <Will Sheward> stpeter: yes except ones I've taken rsponsibility for like sponsor pages
[12:34:26] <stpeter> OK I'll check out http://tracker.xmpp.org/browse/COMM
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[12:34:37] <Will Sheward> this is comteam stuff really, board to approve when done
[12:34:37] <stpeter> and figure out why I'm not getting poked about these
[12:34:47] <stpeter> I don't pay attention to this stuff unless I get an email
[12:34:50] <stpeter> Will Sheward: correct
[12:34:56] <stpeter> (or an IM)
[12:35:04] <stpeter> so, Summer of Code?
[12:35:12] <Nÿco> sponsors before ?
[12:35:13] <Will Sheward> nyco and I will sort site stuff
[12:35:33] <stpeter> yes, sponsors
[12:35:34] <Will Sheward> note: train about to arrive at station
[12:35:35] <Nÿco> yes, we mogth need to create a version or component
[12:35:42] <Florian> I can try to help with sponsors
[12:35:49] <Will Sheward> Wil have to stop in minute
[12:35:56] <stpeter> Will Sheward: yes, sorry
[12:35:58] <Nÿco> ok
[12:36:14] <stpeter> we can discuss on the list
[12:36:24] <Will Sheward> will post sponsor program stuff to board and commteam lists
[12:36:27] <stpeter> ok
[12:36:27] <stpeter> thanks
[12:36:30] <Florian> great
[12:36:30] <Nÿco> ok
[12:36:44] <stpeter> have a safe ride on the train :)
[12:37:18] <Nÿco> I had the wifi on my TGV from Paris to Brussels at FOSDEM: pretty stable and fast, amazing
[12:37:21] <stpeter> so GSoC?
[12:37:24] <Nÿco> yes
[12:37:26] <stpeter> ok
[12:37:34] <stpeter> bear and I chatted about this before the meeting
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[12:37:58] <stpeter> Nÿco: did you see what client Will Sheward was using? ;-)
[12:38:12] <Nÿco> no?
[12:38:14] <stpeter> ah
[12:38:23] <stpeter> you need your client to show you full information :)
[12:38:25] <Nÿco> why?
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[12:38:32] <stpeter> :)
[12:38:36] <Nÿco> ok ;-)
[12:38:40] <Florian> :)
[12:38:42] *bear laughs
[12:39:02] <stpeter> so we have 2 more days to submit an application to be an organization for GSOC
[12:39:09] <Nÿco> ouch
[12:39:22] <Nÿco> bear?
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[12:39:34] <bear> yep
[12:39:35] <Nÿco> isn't that you who wanted to write some stuff about it?
[12:39:53] <bear> I was offering to be the primary lead for GSoC if the board agreed
[12:40:09] <bear> with mentoring help from stpeter if I got lost :)
[12:40:17] <Florian> +1 from me for that :)
[12:40:26] <stpeter> oops, on the phone
[12:40:34] <bear> i've cleared it with my dayjob and also my wife :)
[12:40:44] <Nÿco> +1 for me
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[12:40:52] <Florian> +2 for that :)
[12:40:58] <Nÿco> do you need hep from anybody writing the application?
[12:41:13] <bear> just info that I can get from stpeter's previous application
[12:41:33] <bear> the hard part will be all the stuff that happens after we are accepted
[12:42:14] <bear> i have some experience with gsoc from my work at OSAF - but not as organizer
[12:42:23] <bear> so it's not a completely foreign item to me
[12:42:29] <Nÿco> cool
[12:42:48] <Nÿco> maybe you need a team of 2 to 4 people in order to manage that?
[12:43:10] <bear> I'm thinking that whoever ends up being mentors will be part of that team
[12:43:23] <Nÿco> ok
[12:43:28] <bear> and i'll lean on board members for advice and proof-reading and all that
[12:43:40] <Florian> sounds good
[12:43:44] <bear> but I get the impression it's mostly just calender watching and head thumping
[12:43:51] <stpeter> bear: mostly yes
[12:43:57] <bear> which I'm very good at
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[12:45:08] <stpeter> ok
[12:45:12] <bear> if no one objects then I will start by preparing the app and putting it on the list tonight for review
[12:45:13] <stpeter> so bear and I will get busy
[12:45:16] <bear> :)
[12:45:18] <Florian> :)
[12:45:20] <stpeter> (once I'm off the phone)
[12:45:57] <Nÿco> so... all agenda items done? any other business?
[12:46:08] <Florian> not from my side
[12:48:20] <Nÿco> ok then...
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[12:52:33] <stpeter> thanks guys
[12:52:37] <bear> :)
[12:52:43] <Nÿco> thank you all
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[13:16:30] <stpeter> Nÿco: I've updated the minutes at etherpad -- could you review them just to be sure?
[13:17:06] <stpeter> time to heat up some lunch, brb
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[13:36:39] <stpeter> seeing no edits, I'll post them to the members list
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