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[08:58:51] <zooldk@gmail.com> Hey All
[08:59:04] <Ali Sabil> hey Steffen
[08:59:12] <zooldk@gmail.com> hola Ali :-)
[08:59:13] <zooldk@gmail.com> again
[08:59:31] <zooldk@gmail.com> we have three XEPs that needs to be review
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[08:59:44] <zooldk@gmail.com> • XEP-0234: Jingle File Transfer (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html)
• XEP-0260: Jingle SOCKS5 Bytestreams Transport Method (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0260.html)
• XEP-0261: Jingle In-Band Bytestreams Transport Method (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0261.html)
[08:59:59] <Ali Sabil> yep
[09:00:02] <Joe M> k
[09:00:18] <zooldk@gmail.com> I've only been reading the file transfer.. and only have few comments to it.. how about you: ali and joe?
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[09:00:42] <zooldk@gmail.com> what is the "normal" procedure for a review?.. does anyone know?
[09:00:55] <Joe M> ah, I'm glad you asked. This is new to me as well
[09:01:05] <Ali Sabil> same here
[09:01:10] <Joe M> were you part of the 45 MUC review?
[09:01:17] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha.. then we are in the same boat together :-)
[09:01:21] <zooldk@gmail.com> nope.. sorry
[09:01:45] <Joe M> OK, I guess we all require some guidance on what sorts of comments are constructive
[09:02:19] <zooldk@gmail.com> jup.. could be nice.. Ive been adding some stuff before on XEP166 (jingle) but that was before the review days
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[09:02:41] <Joe M> I have 234 open now. not too long. can read and at least discuss
[09:03:10] <zooldk@gmail.com> but otherwise I was thinking that we could distribute things a bit.. so all of us three read all of the documents but one of us have a master document
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[09:03:29] <Ali Sabil> that wouldn't be a bad idea
[09:03:38] <Joe M> ok
[09:03:53] <zooldk@gmail.com> but lets start with 234 together then.. have you read it ali?
[09:04:01] <Ali Sabil> yes
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[09:04:11] <zooldk@gmail.com> cool
[09:04:15] <Joe M> please continue while i catch up
[09:04:21] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha ;-)
[09:04:26] <Joe M> :)
[09:04:28] <zooldk@gmail.com> give me 1 min to get the coffee
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[09:06:08] <zooldk@gmail.com> back
[09:06:53] <zooldk@gmail.com> as I read it it looks pretty clear defined.. because it already uses the deprecated 0096 xep
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[09:07:08] <zooldk@gmail.com> but there are some stuff that could be more explicit
[09:08:03] <Ali Sabil> I don't know what you think, but in section 3
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[09:08:17] <zooldk@gmail.com> E.g. the size attribute.. its apparently in bytes.. should there not be a unit on that? or should we at least write it explicitly
[09:08:54] <Ali Sabil> wouldn't it be good to have a reminder about the fact that the message must be sent while the session is not terminated ?
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[09:09:35] <zooldk@gmail.com> the hash?
[09:09:40] <Ali Sabil> yes the hash
[09:09:51] <zooldk@gmail.com> hmm let me read
[09:10:31] <zooldk@gmail.com> heh yeah your riight. makes sense
[09:10:48] <Ali Sabil> it's probably the "At any time" wording that might be confusing
[09:11:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> so sending the hash from the hosting entity can onnly be done if your in an open session
[09:11:13] <zooldk@gmail.com> jup!
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[09:11:44] <Ali Sabil> yes, that's already true because of how session-info is defined in 0166
[09:11:49] <zooldk@gmail.com> it can only be done in the right state.. taht is in a session that is not terminated yet
[09:12:10] <zooldk@gmail.com> but its good to be explicit anyways
[09:12:30] <zooldk@gmail.com> the same thing with the size of the file
[09:12:38] <Ali Sabil> let me read
[09:13:09] <Ali Sabil> yes, I agree
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[09:13:27] <zooldk@gmail.com> there stands nothing about the unit right?
[09:13:37] <Ali Sabil> I can't find anything
[09:13:54] <zooldk@gmail.com> but it's bytes... from the deprecated 96 xep
[09:14:17] <Joe M> how many clients out there implement socks5 bytestreams? any idea
[09:14:19] <Joe M> ?
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[09:14:36] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha.. I was thinking the same the other day.. have no idea
[09:14:41] <zooldk@gmail.com> is there anyone?
[09:14:55] <zooldk@gmail.com> most uses the old file transfer as well, right?
[09:15:00] <Joe M> out of band
[09:15:08] <Joe M> that's the only one i've seen implemented
[09:15:13] <Ali Sabil> you mean xep-065 ?
[09:15:27] <Joe M> yes, 65
[09:15:36] <Ali Sabil> I think Gajim implements it
[09:15:39] <Joe M> k
[09:15:48] <Joe M> thx
[09:16:16] <zooldk@gmail.com> could actually be cool to have that in the xep documents.. to see which clients/servers implement a given xep
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[09:16:31] <Ali Sabil> that would be great actually
[09:17:09] <zooldk@gmail.com> to see real life examples and find them easierly
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[09:18:59] <zooldk@gmail.com> there is some other stuff that i was wondering about in 234.. is it at all possible to resume a file transfer it you have disconnected and connects again?.. or do you have to transfer the whole file again
[09:19:25] <Joe M> Looks like you'd have to start again
[09:19:43] <Joe M> but this is for relatively small files, no?
[09:19:49] <zooldk@gmail.com> normally.. ;-)
[09:20:12] <zooldk@gmail.com> I mean.. we cant assume anything. but I would probably not transfer Ironman2 in HD
[09:20:29] <zooldk@gmail.com> there are more effective ways there..
[09:21:07] <Joe M> :)
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[09:21:40] <Joe M> if i understand this correctly, the sock5 bytestream is handled like a media session, in essence
[09:21:51] <Joe M> Am I off or is that the basic jist?
[09:22:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
[09:22:06] <Joe M> so the file goes peer to peer
[09:22:07] <Ali Sabil> socks5 is used as a transport
[09:22:11] <Joe M> right
[09:22:15] <zooldk@gmail.com> like a normal jingle
[09:22:18] <Joe M> yep
[09:22:23] <zooldk@gmail.com> its just used to set up a stream
[09:22:41] <Ali Sabil> concerning the resume transfer issue
[09:22:48] <Joe M> so for organizations that need to virus scaning, or content inspection, they're out of luck
[09:22:57] <Joe M> sorry Ali...
[09:23:05] <Ali Sabil> imagine a fictionnal bitorrent transport
[09:23:08] <Joe M> yep
[09:23:13] <Joe M> we can talk about resume
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[09:23:33] <Ali Sabil> we would be able to resume the transfer at the transport layer (in this case bitorrent)
[09:23:46] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes.. your proabably right
[09:24:29] <Joe M> so it's up to the transport layer to work out that stuff
[09:24:35] <Ali Sabil> so if we were to try adding support for resuming transfers, it would probably be better done at the transport layer and not at the session management layer
[09:24:45] <Joe M> :)
[09:26:03] <Ali Sabil> am I wrong ?
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[09:26:18] <zooldk@gmail.com> no that would probably be the easiest
[09:26:21] <Joe M> what you are saying makes sense to me
[09:27:29] <Ali Sabil> so with the currently existing transports we have no way of resuming a transfer
[09:27:53] <Joe M> i don't know enough about the transports to comment
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[09:28:37] <zooldk@gmail.com> have you seen any clients doing it?..
[09:28:57] <Ali Sabil> resuming filetransfers ?
[09:29:00] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
[09:29:11] <zooldk@gmail.com> I mean xmpp clients.. not ftp and others
[09:29:35] <zooldk@gmail.com> adium and pidgin doesnøt
[09:29:39] <zooldk@gmail.com> does'nt
[09:29:47] <Ali Sabil> not XMPP, but iirc the MSN protocol no matter how ugly it is allows this
[09:30:08] <Ali Sabil> but it's done at the transport layer, and not at the session management layer
[09:30:26] <zooldk@gmail.com> ok.. lets leave it there then
[09:30:43] <Joe M> it would be hard to tell if an xmpp client implemented 234 or 261, wouldn't it?
[09:31:10] <Joe M> in-band looks more appealing to me, from a security point of view
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[09:31:21] <zooldk@gmail.com> no not that much.. we could just sniff and see what it send when trying to fetch a file
[09:31:51] <Joe M> would enable the extension of the server to inspect, etc
[09:32:26] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
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[09:34:26] <Joe M> should these three xeps but collapsed in to 1?
[09:34:35] <Joe M> they are very short and so closely related
[09:34:45] <zooldk@gmail.com> i dont think so
[09:34:48] <Joe M> ok
[09:34:51] <Ali Sabil> I don't think so
[09:34:55] <zooldk@gmail.com> event though they are related :-)
[09:35:11] <Joe M> fair enough
[09:35:20] <Ali Sabil> 234 defines the general protocol, while 260 and 261 define 2 transports
[09:35:47] <Joe M> yes
[09:36:02] <zooldk@gmail.com> its like 166, 167 etc.
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[09:36:24] <zooldk@gmail.com> they were together in the start but was split up
[09:36:30] <zooldk@gmail.com> to keep it simple
[09:37:00] <Joe M> that's good to know, thx
[09:37:38] <zooldk@gmail.com> :-)
[09:37:40] <Ali Sabil> basically in theory it's possible to use xep-0166 + xep-0167 + xep-260 for a media session
[09:37:56] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
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[09:38:54] <zooldk@gmail.com> 167 descripes the payloads as far as I remember
[09:39:31] <Ali Sabil> it describes the rtp application in the same way that xep-0234 describes file transfer as an application
[09:39:55] <Joe M> k
[09:40:08] <Joe M> I'm wondering about the communicating to of the hash
[09:40:20] <Joe M> it says it can be done at any time
[09:40:34] <Joe M> does that present a challenge for someone implementing?
[09:40:38] <zooldk@gmail.com> while the session is open
[09:40:46] <Joe M> and ensure interop?
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[09:41:38] <zooldk@gmail.com> have to see 96
[09:42:06] <Joe M> looking
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[09:43:19] <zooldk@gmail.com> by the way.. where is the XSD schema for the 234?.. it seems like its using the 96 : <xs:sequence xmlns:ft='http://jabber.org/protocol/si/profile/file-transfer'>
      <xs:element ref='ft:file'/> .
[09:43:42] <zooldk@gmail.com> shouldn't we put it in explicitly so we can see the full schema?
[09:43:59] <Ali Sabil> <xs:import
namespace='http://jabber.org/protocol/si/profile/file-transfer'
schemaLocation='http://www.xmpp.org/schemas/file-transfer.xsd'/>
[09:44:24] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes I see the import
[09:44:46] <zooldk@gmail.com> but why use a deprecated schema.. why not write it there explicitly
[09:44:55] <zooldk@gmail.com> I mean 96 will dissapear
[09:45:18] <Ali Sabil> I don't know these things are generally managed
[09:45:28] <zooldk@gmail.com> hmmm I was just wondering
[09:46:01] <Ali Sabil> if it is meant to disappear, I think it's pretty weird that we have a reference to a deprecated xep
[09:46:15] <zooldk@gmail.com> well I dunno..
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[09:46:28] <zooldk@gmail.com> thats why I was wondering that much.. ;-)
[09:47:12] <zooldk@gmail.com> its in Draft..
[09:48:06] <zooldk@gmail.com> but it seems like that in the intro of 234.. we are reusing from 96 in order to deprecate.. Or am I wrong?
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[09:49:05] <Ali Sabil> that's what the intro seems to imply
[09:49:20] <zooldk@gmail.com> I am glad that we are thinking the same.. ha ha :-)
[09:49:37] <zooldk@gmail.com> well I will note it in my small notebook about 234.
[09:50:03] <zooldk@gmail.com> have we anything more to add to 234?.. or shall we try to go into 260,261. the transportations?
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[09:51:27] <Ali Sabil> can we make a small summary before moving on ?
[09:51:33] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
[09:51:39] <Joe M> please
[09:52:24] <zooldk@gmail.com> so... we need to do it more explicitly that in (hashing)"At any time" means when the session is not terminated
[09:52:48] <zooldk@gmail.com> also to make the size more explicitly.. so the it stands bytes.
[09:52:48] <Ali Sabil> - Section 3. we need to clarify that the hash MUST be transferred within the session lifetime
[09:52:59] <Joe M> great
[09:53:00] <zooldk@gmail.com> exactly
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[09:53:33] <Ali Sabil> is it a MUST transfer ?
[09:53:39] <Joe M> good question
[09:53:48] <Ali Sabil> or a SHOULD transfer and MUST be done within the session lifetime
[09:53:52] <zooldk@gmail.com> have to be MUST
[09:53:59] <zooldk@gmail.com> SHOULD is an option
[09:54:10] <Joe M> and MD5 only?
[09:54:12] <Ali Sabil> is the hash a requirement ?
[09:54:35] <Joe M> a great question
[09:54:40] <zooldk@gmail.com> I dont think so
[09:54:53] <Ali Sabil> hmm, and where does it say that it is md5 ?
[09:54:53] <zooldk@gmail.com> "the hosting entity can communicate the hash of the file to the receiving entity.."
[09:55:02] <zooldk@gmail.com> the magic word is "can".
[09:55:28] <zooldk@gmail.com> so i think it is optional
[09:55:28] <Ali Sabil> so let's turn this into a SHOULD
[09:55:43] <Joe M> makes sense
[09:55:54] <zooldk@gmail.com> where should we put the unit of bytes?
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[09:57:15] <zooldk@gmail.com> the file tag is poorly described.. if we didn't have 96. ;-)
[09:57:58] <Ali Sabil> yes
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[09:58:40] <Ali Sabil> hmm seems like xep-0096 had support for resuming transfers
[09:58:48] <zooldk@gmail.com> he he he
[09:59:23] <Joe M> where in 96?
[09:59:32] <Ali Sabil> <range>
[09:59:32] <zooldk@gmail.com> where do you see it
[09:59:49] <Joe M> ah
[09:59:52] <zooldk@gmail.com> so its made in the setup protocol there
[10:00:17] <Ali Sabil> yes
[10:00:31] <zooldk@gmail.com> so as I see it, it is not fully backward compatible.
[10:00:48] <Ali Sabil> it doesn't seem to be
[10:01:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> hmm
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[10:01:47] <Joe M> that's an issue
[10:01:56] <Ali Sabil> I would say that xep-0260 needs quite a lot of improvement
[10:02:12] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes
[10:02:15] <zooldk@gmail.com> +1
[10:02:43] <Joe M> on 234 and 96...why the requirement to implement both bytestreams and in-band?
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[10:03:17] <Joe M> can the implementation be in-band only, simply decline bytestream requests?
[10:03:45] <Joe M> I'm thinking the corporate installations would not want 260 implemented in general
[10:03:46] <zooldk@gmail.com> to reuse 0047
[10:04:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> no they would probably go for the inband
[10:04:38] <Joe M> again, i'm thinking interop
[10:05:06] <Joe M> 0047 is to be deprecated in favor of 261?
[10:05:21] <zooldk@gmail.com> seems like it
[10:05:25] <zooldk@gmail.com> same words used as in 234
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[10:08:12] <Joe M> ok, so are we on to 260?
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[10:08:31] <Ali Sabil> what do you think about this summary:
[10:08:33] <Ali Sabil> Hash transfer in section 3. has a poor wording
• Reusing too much of 0096:
∘ Size specification in bytes
∘ Hash algorithm == md5
• Ranged queries lost 0096 -> 0260 (but backward compatibility kept)
∘ If ranged queries are to be implemented, should be transport options/transport features
[10:08:51] <Ali Sabil> (indentations seems to have been lost)
[10:09:09] <Joe M> i can see it pretty well
[10:09:23] <Joe M> using Adium
[10:09:27] <Ali Sabil> oh, not me
[10:09:43] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes.. and either we use explicit xsd in the 234 or we have a problem when deprecating 96
[10:09:50] <zooldk@gmail.com> I see it as well (adium) :-)
[10:10:48] <Ali Sabil> Should use explicit XSD in 0234 (avoid imports) ?
[10:11:00] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes.. Well at least I think so
[10:11:06] <Joe M> +1
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[10:11:34] <zooldk@gmail.com> otherwise we seem to have a good summary
[10:12:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> shall we write a mail with our summary to the member/tech list or just update the svn our selves?
[10:12:31] <Ali Sabil> no idea, I am new here :)
[10:12:38] <Joe M> Perhaps notify the list that we met, and post results in the system
[10:12:50] <Joe M> I think we're all new :)
[10:13:00] <zooldk@gmail.com> only been here half a year.. so me too
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[10:13:40] <Ali Sabil> I'd say we post to the mailing list
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[10:14:19] <zooldk@gmail.com> sorry.. my network just blow up
[10:14:21] <Ali Sabil> Welcome back
[10:14:28] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha.. thanks
[10:14:40] <zooldk@gmail.com> yeah.. lets send it to the techlist
[10:14:59] <zooldk@gmail.com> shal I summarize it in a mail?
[10:15:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> shall
[10:15:07] <Joe M> great, yes
[10:15:09] <Ali Sabil> sure
[10:15:30] <zooldk@gmail.com> ok.. I'll look through the XEPs again and write a summary tomorrow, ok?
[10:15:39] <Joe M> Thank you!
[10:15:51] <zooldk@gmail.com> we have nothing more to the 260,261?
[10:15:52] <Ali Sabil> perfect, thanks
[10:15:56] <zooldk@gmail.com> np
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[10:16:19] <Joe M> we probably do, I have 15 more minutes
[10:16:31] <zooldk@gmail.com> me too.. going to a dinner soon
[10:16:50] <Ali Sabil> hmm, I haven't started reviewing 260 nor 261
[10:16:51] <zooldk@gmail.com> well if you have time we can have a small talk again tomorrow..
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[10:17:09] <Ali Sabil> but I have a problem with <proxy-error>
[10:17:25] <Ali Sabil> in 260
[10:17:48] <Ali Sabil> I am afraid I won't be able to join tomorrow
[10:17:59] <zooldk@gmail.com> ahh ok
[10:18:19] <Joe M> tomorrow is difficult for me as well
[10:18:30] <Joe M> what is the issue w/proxy-error?
[10:18:55] <Ali Sabil> not familiar with the xep enough, but how do you specify which proxy failed ?
[10:19:06] <Ali Sabil> in case you sent multiple proxy candidates ?
[10:19:09] <Joe M> ah, i see it's too generic
[10:19:27] <Joe M> do we want the protocol to tell us?
[10:19:39] <Ali Sabil> <candidate-used> has cid
[10:19:52] <zooldk@gmail.com> isn't it hanging on a candidate?
[10:20:04] <Ali Sabil> <candidate-error> is sent when all the candidates failed
[10:20:41] <Ali Sabil> yep I see
[10:20:41] <zooldk@gmail.com> and proxy when only one of them?
[10:20:47] <Joe M> but in this case. ALL candidates have failed, right?
[10:20:55] <Ali Sabil> yes that's right
[10:21:01] <Ali Sabil> I got it wrong
[10:21:11] <Ali Sabil> :)
[10:21:15] <Joe M> ;)
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[10:22:25] <Ali Sabil> what about we setup another meeting sometimes next week for reviewing 260 and 261 ?
[10:22:33] <Joe M> good idea
[10:22:44] <Ali Sabil> because in 15 minutes we won't get much done
[10:22:50] <Joe M> agree
[10:23:03] <zooldk@gmail.com> +1
[10:23:12] <zooldk@gmail.com> how about wedensday?
[10:23:51] <zooldk@gmail.com> wedensday after work (CEST).. so about 19:00 CEST?
[10:24:04] <zooldk@gmail.com> or are you too busy Joe?
[10:24:17] <zooldk@gmail.com> we can make it later if you want
[10:24:20] <Joe M> I need to fix my firewall at work for the high port
[10:24:26] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha
[10:24:41] <Joe M> i have to submit a ticket, wait two weeks, etc
[10:24:42] <Joe M> so...
[10:24:43] <Ali Sabil> :)
[10:25:02] <Joe M> one week from today could work
[10:25:13] <Joe M> or very early in the AM New York time
[10:25:16] <zooldk@gmail.com> ha ha.. can't you do it your self, and by pass all the bureaucracy? ;-)
[10:25:21] <Ali Sabil> next saturday ?
[10:25:22] <Joe M> i wish!!
[10:25:35] <Joe M> Swiss banks are a little fussy about security ;)
[10:25:37] <Ali Sabil> use BOSH
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[10:25:39] <zooldk@gmail.com> wait.. I'll check my calendar
[10:25:43] <zooldk@gmail.com> yeah.. use BOSH
[10:26:06] <Joe M> I'll check out a BOSH client
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[10:26:26] <zooldk@gmail.com> I made several my self.. easy wth Strophe
[10:26:35] <Joe M> cool
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[10:26:59] <zooldk@gmail.com> Im fine with next saturday ... but when should the review be done?. is there a date?'
[10:27:27] <Joe M> If i can get access to this room, then it can be during business US business hours
[10:27:50] <zooldk@gmail.com> ok Joe, its up to you
[10:28:07] <Ali Sabil> so Joe, what about you send a mail sometimes during the week to setup the meeting ?
[10:28:17] <zooldk@gmail.com> +1
[10:28:18] <zooldk@gmail.com> :-)
[10:28:25] <Joe M> ok
[10:28:40] <Ali Sabil> both Steffen and me are on the CEST timezone
[10:28:46] <Joe M> ok
[10:28:54] <Joe M> i'm think next Saturday, but a bit earlier
[10:29:00] <zooldk@gmail.com> yeah.. Denmark and Norway right?
[10:29:05] <Joe M> nice
[10:29:16] <Ali Sabil> yes :)
[10:29:18] <Joe M> good spots in the world
[10:29:32] <zooldk@gmail.com> yeah.. right now it is fun to watch ice hockey.. ;-)
[10:30:22] <Joe M> OK, I'll send a mail....will probably be for 8:30 EDT Saturday
[10:30:33] <Joe M> Thanks for your time.
[10:30:35] <zooldk@gmail.com> yes.. just pass a mail around!
[10:30:41] <Ali Sabil> thanks everyone
[10:30:44] <zooldk@gmail.com> thanks!
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[10:31:14] <zooldk@gmail.com> I'll send a mail around tomorrow with some of our summaries..
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[10:31:24] <Ali Sabil> great
[10:31:39] <Joe M> off to my son's baseball game....enjoy the rest of the weekend
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[10:31:56] <Ali Sabil> thanks ! you too
[10:32:03] <Ali Sabil> I am off as well
[10:32:10] <Ali Sabil> so ttyl
[10:32:15] <zooldk@gmail.com> ?See ya later.. ciao!
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