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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:57:23] <Nÿco> CommTeam meeting in... a few minutes
[15:58:12] <Nÿco> http://typewith.me/r5oRspegAB << for collab notes taking
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[16:01:12] <Guillaume> Hi all
[16:02:24] <Kev> Quite the turn-out.
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[16:06:32] <Nÿco> so, you wanna have that meeting?
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[16:12:08] <Kev> Nÿco: Entirely up to you. I don't have anything interesting to say :)
[16:12:35] <Nÿco> I just would like to have people contribute
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[16:12:58] <Nÿco> everybody has its own opinion on what this CommTeam can/should/must do
[16:13:25] <Nÿco> I think I'm gonna go on alone with the Roundups and that's it until we get a team
[16:14:53] <Kev> I would like to help with stuff, but the number of XSF-related things I do is fairly high already (Not that it isn't for you too), so spare time is something of an issue.
[16:15:12] <Nÿco> I know, don't worry
[16:15:20] <Nÿco> don't feel guilty! ;-)
[16:15:27] <Nÿco> I know how hard you work
[16:16:17] <Kev> Perhaps we should start name-and-shaming members at re-application time who haven't done $STUFF :)
[16:16:34] <Nÿco> yes ;-)
[16:17:03] <Nÿco> beginning by what I've not done, or not in time, or not at all...
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[16:19:18] <Kev> Well, what needs doing?
[16:19:26] <Kev> I know the roundups always need work.
[16:19:40] <Kev> Have people stepped up to maintain the new site yet?
[16:19:40] <Nÿco> yep
[16:19:58] <Nÿco> website review
[16:20:07] <Nÿco> maintain website content
[16:20:29] <Nÿco> write white papers (we said it was hard and time consuming, but people keep asking for such)
[16:21:05] <Nÿco> maintain more precisely the list of: services, clients, servers, libraries, etc.
[16:21:36] <Nÿco> do presentations
[16:21:44] <Nÿco> etc.
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[16:23:39] <Kev> So there's no shortage of stuff to do.
[16:23:46] <Kev> How do we cajole people into doing it?
[16:24:11] <Nÿco> I just don't know... XSF members are more developpers...
[16:24:31] <Nÿco> I guess starting the wrok, and get people to review it?
[16:24:46] <Nÿco> any better idea?
[16:24:51] <Guillaume> for white papers, could we try involving companies ?
[16:25:02] <Kev> Guillaume: I did briefly consider that a moment ago.
[16:25:13] <Guillaume> They always want to do PR
[16:25:19] <Kev> It's not clear to me if this would work, but I'm happy to give it a go.
[16:25:36] <Nÿco> yes, but companies write white paper to praise their own products
[16:25:38] <Kev> As long as 'companies writing whitepapers' doesn't mean 'company writing how great their software is'
[16:25:53] <Nÿco> that's the point
[16:25:53] <Kev> and if it's not that, it's not clear how motivated companies will be to write them.
[16:26:32] <Kev> Maybe we could persuade people to write two-part whitepapers.
[16:26:42] <Guillaume> exactly
[16:26:53] <Guillaume> why they used XMPP, Y it's cool
[16:26:57] <Kev> One to say how great XMPP feature X is, which the XSF would publish, and then one that says why their implementation is the best, which they can publish themselves.
[16:26:59] <Guillaume> .. Y there product is cool
[16:27:44] <Guillaume> we could ask some company owners from the xsf if they would be interested ?
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[16:28:09] <Guillaume> (issuing a joint Press communicate with XSF)
[16:28:36] <Kev> Thing is, I have no wish for the XSF to be associated with the part that says "And our software's the best"
[16:28:56] <Nÿco> with PR and whitepapers, we would hit the business people: is that what we want?
[16:29:11] <Nÿco> Kev: +1
[16:29:16] <Guillaume> PR also worls for developers
[16:29:22] <Guillaume> (works)
[16:29:33] <Nÿco> no, they are PR-proof ;-)
[16:29:51] <Kev> Although possibly not flame-proof :)
[16:30:09] <Nÿco> the message would be "And our protocol is the best"... maybe adding "You haven't fully understood it yet" ;-)
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[16:33:00] <Guillaume> does the xsf do PR today ?
[16:33:35] <Kev> Which 'PR'?
[16:33:41] <Kev> Public relations or Press releases?
[16:34:15] <Kev> The XSF did Press releases a looong time ago, and decided to stop in favour of blogging (stpeter will remember this better than me).
[16:34:38] <Guillaume> ok, and i'm guessing no press relations from what you said
[16:35:02] <Nÿco> we can use the Social Web these days...
[16:35:30] <Nÿco> most of the most influentail techies websites are not traditionnal press these days... and it may last
[16:35:55] <Nÿco> writing long PR and whitepapers is... boring, time-consuming, etc.
[16:36:01] <Nÿco> microblogging is fun
[16:36:13] <Kev> And still time-consuming :)
[16:36:19] <Nÿco> maybe we can setup something on this front ?
[16:36:26] <Nÿco> yes ;-)
[16:36:31] <Kev> The XSF has an identi.ca account, I believe.
[16:36:43] <Kev> I'm sure we could set up XSF-News or something if we want to have another one.
[16:37:08] <Guillaume> how do we communicate today to the influential techies blogs ?
[16:37:16] <Kev> We don't.
[16:37:38] <Nÿco> we do
[16:37:42] <Kev> We do?
[16:37:43] <Guillaume> humm
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[16:38:34] <Nÿco> follow them on Twitter, mention them, get caught, say interesting, relevant stuff, and that's it
[16:39:36] <Guillaume> It could maybe be usefull to identify the blog owners and inform them of new XSF blog posts by mail ?
[16:39:58] <Nÿco> yep
[16:40:16] <Nÿco> ignite public discussions on Twitter
[16:41:20] <Nÿco> so, let's get more "Social'?
[16:41:25] <Nÿco> I need to go now...
[16:41:52] <Nÿco> I feel we must open up our gates to the outside world, and get people to join in
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[16:45:21] <Nÿco> ok, done?
[16:45:27] <Kev> I don't have anything else.
[16:45:40] <Nÿco> ok
[16:45:51] <Nÿco> thx Kev, thx Guillaume
[16:45:51] <Nÿco> bye
[16:45:56] <Kev> Thanks Nÿco
[16:46:02] <Guillaume> thx !
[16:46:11] <Guillaume> by all
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[17:54:37] <Florian> So, does this OneTeam work?
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[18:00:48] <Florian> Meeting?
[18:01:03] <will.sheward> i thnk so
[18:05:32] <will.sheward> it *is* tuesday right? :-)
[18:05:53] <Florian> I'd say so
[18:06:45] <Florian> But it seems that Tuesday is a really bad day
[18:07:03] <will.sheward> all work days are bad days!
[18:09:06] <Florian> Hehe
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[18:19:21] <will.sheward> ok - so it's just you and me then.
[18:20:10] <Florian> So... Anything urgent? I'd say let's fall back to the ML
[18:20:57] <will.sheward> I'm looking at (http://typewith.me/EyJg4G3XSr) - minutes from the last meeting to see if there's anything we need to cover now. Can you do the same?
[18:22:29] <Florian> Eh.... The iPad can't find that pad?
[18:23:17] <will.sheward> really? how odd
[18:24:34] <will.sheward> ha! one of the items was "Peter noted that we could ping members@ list 24 hours before Board and Council meetings"
[18:24:48] <will.sheward> so, clearly doing that would have been a good idea
[18:24:51] <Florian> Heh
[18:24:54] <Florian> Yup
[18:25:16] <Florian> Let's reschedule a meeting for another date?
[18:25:28] <stpeter> oops
[18:25:33] <will.sheward> ok - i can see jack online (idle) but not nyco. So yes, let's ping the Baord list and reschedule
[18:25:34] <stpeter> I was here but I didn't realize it!
[18:25:49] *stpeter is feeling a bit off today
[18:26:08] <will.sheward> i think this one's a washout stpeter
[18:26:13] <stpeter> hmph ok
[18:26:32] <will.sheward> nyco had a commteam meeting today i think, he might have got the 2 mixed up a bit?
[18:27:26] <stpeter> right
[18:27:27] <will.sheward> stpeter: who maintains jabber.org <http://jabber.org>; site content?
[18:27:38] <Kev> Nyco was at the commteam meeting,but had to leave to do other things.
[18:27:39] <stpeter> I do
[18:28:09] <will.sheward> jehan pointed out that a lot of the xmpp.org <http://xmpp.org>; links from jabber.org <http://jabber.org>; are incorrect. can you sort me out with a login so i can correct?
[18:28:28] <Kev> Are we still in the process of setting up the redirects so the old URLs work?
[18:28:41] <Kev> I'm not opposed to fixing jabber.org as well, but we should probably persist the old links on xmpp.org
[18:28:41] <will.sheward> kev: i need to compile a list i think
[18:29:02] <will.sheward> wwe should correct incoming links that are in our power to correct i think
[18:29:12] <Kev> I don't disagree.
[18:29:25] <will.sheward> I should think not, slacker
[18:30:19] <will.sheward> ok - so lets mail the board list with a request for another date. I think I'll go out for a run
[18:30:30] <Florian> Ok
[18:30:49] <Florian> Have fun doing healthy stuff :p
[18:31:01] <stpeter> brb
[18:31:05] <will.sheward> it's the only way i can justify a beer later
[18:31:38] <Florian> Hehe
[18:32:04] <will.sheward> bye for now
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[19:07:40] <Neustradamus> too late sorry
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