Wednesday, December 08, 2010
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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:26:22] <Nÿco> Council meeting in 0:30+? Board meeting in 1:30+
[15:26:59] <Kev> Correct for the former, don't know about the latter :)
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[15:28:58] <Nÿco> ;-)
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[16:31:58] *bear starts editing the http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board wiki page to reflect current reality
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[16:40:46] <bear> running to the corner store - just realized I am without beverage of choice
[16:40:56] <bear> why am I double posting?
[16:41:27] <Kev> You're not.
[16:41:40] <bear> psi is showing each twice, mine and yours
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[16:42:29] <Kev> I suspect that you've joined the MUC from two resources, and your server is routing the ghost one instead of rejecting it (which it should, but (almost?) no-one does yet, as it's a relatively recent bis-ism)
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[16:42:56] *bear tries this again
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[16:43:33] <MattJ> Prosody rejected it even before the spec was fixed :)
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[16:50:51] <bear> meeting notes and agenda: http://typewith.me/geydlB7gFR
[16:51:21] <bear> Current working agenda: Agenda:
- Roadmap
- Summit 10
- Summit 10/FOSDEM - dividing responsibilities
- Dinner
- Limit to Members / Sponsors?
- Location
- Interop
[16:52:18] <bear> meeting to start in 10 minutes, will shoot for 35-40 minute timeframe, 2 rounds of me with claws and knives if we get to 50 minutes
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[17:00:44] <bear> anyone have "eyes" on Jack? can they poke him
[17:01:16] <Will> poked
[17:01:20] <bear> oh - hehehe - I do also
[17:01:36] <Will> he'll start to feel persecuted
[17:01:48] <bear> or loved if he is into that kind of thing :/
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[17:02:01] <bear> florian was here ...
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[17:02:06] <jack> hi all
[17:02:09] <bear> hi jack
[17:02:19] <Florian> hi
[17:02:26] <Nÿco> hi all
[17:02:31] <bear> coolness - looks like we have 100%
[17:02:32] <Florian> on the dot :)
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[17:02:37] *bear bangs the gavel
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[17:03:03] <bear> anyone have any issues with the agenda as suggested by Nÿco
[17:03:18] <stpeter> looks good to me
[17:03:22] <bear> if so, edit the doc please
[17:03:30] <bear> ok, Item 1 - Roadmap
[17:04:08] <bear> I've started to edit the wiki page outlining this - not sure exactly (given my n00bness) what this involves
[17:04:13] <bear> what was done last year?
[17:04:24] <Will> nothing, which was kind of the point :-)
[17:04:31] <Will> of doing something this year
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[17:04:54] <bear> ok then :) - i'll draft an email asking for suggestions and also giving some thoughts and report back next meeting - sound ok?
[17:05:06] <Nÿco> ok
[17:05:09] <stpeter> I think we had a good discussion among the members
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[17:05:17] <stpeter> we just need to capture the conclusions somewhere
[17:05:21] <Nÿco> yes, thread needs summary
[17:05:24] <stpeter> I'd suggest a wordpress page
[17:05:28] <bear> yea, I was going to sift thru that for the big ideas
[17:05:30] <stpeter> rather than wiki
[17:05:34] <stpeter> I did post a summary
[17:05:38] <Nÿco> ah
[17:05:40] <Nÿco> missed it
[17:05:49] <Nÿco> can you remind where?
[17:05:51] <bear> oh coolness, that will make the task much easier
[17:05:52] <stpeter> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2010-October/006040.html
[17:06:05] <stpeter> there was some discussion after that
[17:06:07] <Nÿco> thx
[17:06:07] <Will> the wiki is for dicussions, wordpress/xmpp.org for announcements - so wordpress page yes
[17:06:09] <stpeter> but not much
[17:06:26] <stpeter> right, this is a more permanent page
[17:06:38] <Nÿco> ah yes, I remember now that I've read it
[17:06:44] <bear> *editor note: can someone update the typewith.me doc*
[17:06:51] <stpeter> it might not seem like it, but I'll have more time before long to help out further
[17:06:55] <Nÿco> you can
[17:06:55] <stpeter> bear: will do
[17:07:21] <bear> i'm hoping to be able to offload some of this from you if you don't mind :)
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[17:07:46] <stpeter> from or to? :)
[17:07:50] <bear> :)
[17:08:08] <Will> on you :-)
[17:08:13] <bear> any other issues to worry about with the roadmap?
[17:08:19] <stpeter> bear: I think not
[17:08:37] <bear> moving on to item 2 (speak up if not)
[17:08:44] <stpeter> bear: the Council discussed this last week and concluded that focusing on MUC and file transfer for this term would be reasonable
[17:09:04] <stpeter> bear: I'll find the log for you
[17:09:07] <bear> k
[17:09:16] <jack> seems good. i get a lot of questions about file transfer
[17:09:18] <bear> link in the notes is fine
[17:09:19] <stpeter> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2010-October/006040.html
[17:10:03] <stpeter> ok
[17:10:05] <stpeter> Summit?
[17:10:10] <bear> yep
[17:10:22] <Florian> yes :)
[17:10:25] <Will> announcements are out to members, will post to other places soon
[17:10:33] <bear> Will posted a great outline of the summit to the members list and has started a wiki page: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2011
[17:10:49] <Florian> I've prepped a page on xmpp.org
[17:10:50] <stpeter> oh cool, in typewithme you can choose your color :)
[17:11:07] <stpeter> excellent
[17:11:16] <Florian> http://xmpp.org/participate/the-xmpp-summit/xmpp-summit-10/
[17:11:24] <Will> I wanted to talk about division of responsibilities
[17:11:26] <Florian> is the FOSDEM booth / room confirmed?
[17:11:41] <stpeter> Florian: the room is, not sure about the booth, let's check
[17:11:56] <Florian> ok
[17:12:14] <bear> I noticed we have already started the annual t-shirt discussion
[17:12:15] <stpeter> stands have not yet been announced
[17:12:25] <Will> but we did put in a request, yes?
[17:12:26] <dwd> bear, Traditions are important.
[17:12:32] <bear> to me that's always the sign when planning is started for real
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[17:12:37] <stpeter> http://fosdem.org/2011/ looks bad -- we need to put out a call for talks
[17:12:49] <Will> we have
[17:13:01] <stpeter> ah, so we need to tell them about the link :)
[17:13:08] <Will> yes
[17:13:19] <Florian> I wanted to start collecting participants on the XMPP.org page
[17:13:23] <Florian> through comments
[17:13:28] <stpeter> Florian: good idea
[17:13:36] <stpeter> Will: I can let the FOSDEM organizers know
[17:13:36] <Florian> I got someone at Nokia to forward a sponsor request
[17:13:52] <Will> stpeter: thats why i wanted ot talk about responsibilities....
[17:13:54] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Ping
[17:13:56] <stpeter> :)
[17:13:59] <stpeter> pong
[17:14:14] <stpeter> Will: you mean we need to get organized?
[17:14:17] <Florian> ok .. iPad works :)
[17:14:21] <Will> we need to make sure that not everything is your responsibility this year. spread the load a bit
[17:14:23] <stpeter> :P
[17:14:28] <stpeter> yeah, sure
[17:14:42] <stpeter> although others have done a lot in the past, e.g. Alex and Mickaël
[17:14:46] <bear> what areas of need are there?
[17:14:50] <Will> so for instance, if we get a booth, 'm happy to be the responsible adult for that :-)
[17:14:57] <stpeter> Will: much needed
[17:14:58] <dwd> "adult"?
[17:15:10] <Will> shut up dwd, you're supposed to working
[17:15:12] <Florian> I guess I'm not allowed to do anything :(
[17:15:22] <dwd> Will, "from home" - doesn't count.
[17:15:22] <bear> dinner? who's organizing
[17:15:23] <Will> florian organises our social life
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[17:15:24] <Florian> :D
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[17:15:40] <Florian> I've been wondering ... Hotel ... Brussels vs. Diegem?
[17:15:41] <stpeter> heehee
[17:15:57] <stpeter> are there hotels in the boondocks of Diegem?
[17:16:00] *bear gets out his ruler in case any knuckles need whacking
[17:16:09] <dwd> stpeter, Bound to be some near the airport.
[17:16:11] <Florian> any Brussels Airport Hotel, yes
[17:16:22] <stpeter> Remko said the train to Diegem is a 15-minute ride from the center
[17:16:27] <Florian> yeah
[17:16:36] <stpeter> and leaves every 30 minutes
[17:16:38] <dwd> Florian, Do they run late?
[17:16:40] <stpeter> or something like that
[17:16:45] <stpeter> late
[17:16:46] <stpeter> ?
[17:16:47] <Florian> haha ... normally not
[17:16:51] <stpeter> we'll be working late?
[17:16:51] <Will> are we going for a hotel in brussels and ride out to diegem or the other way around?
[17:16:54] <Florian> they're better than SouthWest Trains
[17:16:58] <stpeter> yes
[17:17:02] <Florian> Will: right ...
[17:17:06] <Florian> Brussels at night has pubs
[17:17:08] <Florian> and nice places
[17:17:08] <stpeter> hotel in/near the center, train to the meetings
[17:17:11] <dwd> Florian, So's a horse and cart.
[17:17:13] <jack> better to be near the beer i think
[17:17:14] <Florian> Diegem is quite industrial
[17:17:28] <stpeter> right
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[17:17:38] <Florian> it's basically Airport land
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[17:17:44] <Florian> the only thing there are business parks
[17:17:51] <Florian> and a small town center
[17:17:55] <stpeter> yep
[17:17:57] <Florian> Brussels is nicer
[17:18:01] <stpeter> agreed
[17:18:07] <Florian> and seeing as we have FOSDEM
[17:18:08] <Will> trsut cisco to put an office somewhere boring ;-)
[17:18:15] <stpeter> you betcha
[17:18:18] <Florian> the thing on our Meetings
[17:18:23] <Florian> they end at a certain tie
[17:18:24] <stpeter> but at least we'll have Internet access this time
[17:18:25] <Florian> *time
[17:18:33] <Florian> FOSDEM is more flexible
[17:18:41] <Florian> so I think it's nicer to be in Brussels
[17:18:49] <Florian> yet ... I'll be the person living outside Brussels :p
[17:18:51] <stpeter> yes we all agree :)
[17:19:00] <Will> hotel organiser is ?
[17:19:03] <stpeter> so we need to find a hotel that might give us a discount?
[17:19:03] <Florian> I can be
[17:19:10] <Florian> yes ... Discount Hotel
[17:19:15] <Nÿco> ans Summit room?
[17:19:20] <Florian> what about the one last year?
[17:19:30] <Florian> good or bad?
[17:19:33] <Nÿco> with hardcore wifi
[17:19:41] <Nÿco> wifi sucked
[17:19:43] <stpeter> Nÿco: I've arranged to use a meeting room at the Cisco office in Diegem, outside Brussels (near the airport)
[17:19:50] <Nÿco> ok
[17:20:21] <stpeter> boring location, but better connectivity
[17:20:33] <Nÿco> fine
[17:21:02] <stpeter> there is also a catering service of some kind, I need to find out more about that for lunch and coffee
[17:21:10] <Florian> :)
[17:21:14] <stpeter> so I can handle that stuff via Cisco
[17:21:20] <bear> sounds like we have hotel/dinner consensus of some kind - who is going to follow up?
[17:21:26] <Florian> ah
[17:21:34] <Florian> Dinner up next?
[17:21:42] <stpeter> yes, dinner
[17:21:48] <Florian> so ...
[17:21:52] <bear> who is point person for hotel?
[17:21:53] <Florian> as posted to board@
[17:21:54] <Nÿco> - devroom: ??
- hackfest: ??
[17:22:03] <stpeter> Florian is hotel point person
[17:22:06] <Florian> bear: I can manage hotel
[17:22:16] <bear> k, sorry - just saw typewith.me update
[17:22:21] <stpeter> Nÿco: right we need to discuss those, too
[17:22:25] <Will> as Nyco pointed out, still need devroom and hackfest organisers
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[17:22:43] <Florian> Devroom is Saturday?
[17:22:46] <stpeter> yes
[17:22:46] <Will> yes
[17:23:13] <Florian> no volunteers?
[17:23:31] <Will> who is going to be there? stpeter? bear?
[17:23:32] <bear> I am collecting speaker list but won't be able to coordinate space/location
[17:23:33] <Florian> I can:)
[17:23:34] <stpeter> regarding the devroom, we need someone to arrange the schedule of talks etc.
[17:23:47] <bear> I can handle the talk schedule
[17:23:47] <dwd> Kev?
[17:23:49] <Florian> I'm a student ... so I've got loads of free time :)
[17:23:52] <stpeter> haha
[17:24:11] <Will> bear = devroom
[17:24:19] <Florian> +1
[17:24:23] <bear> with onsite help via florian ;)
[17:24:32] <Florian> sure :)
[17:24:32] <stpeter> I know some of the FOSDEM guys now so I can work with them onsite as needed
[17:24:37] <Will> ok
[17:24:44] <Florian> great
[17:24:44] <Kev> Sorry, was saying Hi to Cath.
[17:24:47] <stpeter> yes, Florian and I can work with the FOSDEM folks onsite
[17:24:51] <Kev> What did you volunteer me for, Dave?
[17:24:55] <stpeter> and Ralph, too, slackr that he is :)
[17:25:00] <Will> Kev, it's ok you escaped
[17:25:03] <Florian> haha
[17:25:10] <Kev> Righty.
[17:25:14] <bear> kev can do hackfest then
[17:25:21] <Will> :-)
[17:25:23] <Florian> :)
[17:25:28] <stpeter> what's needed for the hackfest?
[17:25:35] <Kev> Righty, am I going to FOSDEM then? )
[17:25:36] <Kev> :)
[17:25:42] <Nÿco> do we have a room for this?
[17:25:42] <Florian> I'm trying to get some phones from Noknok
[17:25:47] <Will> come up with interesting topics, herd cats
[17:25:54] <bear> warm body for room?
[17:26:07] <Florian> I guess start / announce on Friday .. prize on Monday
[17:26:10] <stpeter> hackfest = interop or something more?
[17:26:14] <stpeter> oh, that hackfest
[17:26:20] <stpeter> the code contest?
[17:26:24] <Florian> ohh
[17:26:35] <Florian> /that/ hackfest
[17:26:39] <Florian> Friday @ Cisco?
[17:26:44] <stpeter> hackfest = Friday
[17:26:46] <jack> i can bring more books for prizes
[17:26:55] <stpeter> yeah, I need to do that too
[17:27:03] <Florian> I'd say Interop and coding?
[17:27:20] <stpeter> last year it was somewhat chaotic, no?
[17:27:22] <Florian> with at the end a lightning round of "progress"?
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[17:27:41] <stpeter> perhaps our Interop Week folks can help organize some interop stuff on Friday
[17:27:48] <stpeter> lightning talks are fun
[17:27:49] <stpeter> yeah
[17:27:57] <stpeter> that breaks it up a bit, too
[17:28:03] <Florian> I'll be there on Friday this year too :)
[17:28:09] <stpeter> me too
[17:28:14] <stpeter> I think :)
[17:28:17] <Florian> :)
[17:28:45] <Florian> so yeah, Hackfest ... Interop & Jingle Mingle?
[17:29:14] <bear> sounds like something for list discussion?
[17:29:20] <Will> yes
[17:29:20] <Florian> yup
[17:29:25] <stpeter> ok
[17:29:29] <stpeter> take it to the list!
[17:29:39] <Kev> Anyway, I'm happy to run Friday, assuming I'm going (and I'm assuming I'm going, but haven't discussed with anyone yet).
[17:29:49] <bear> kev - can you start that list discussion?
[17:30:21] <Kev> Can do. What would we like to do with the day?
[17:30:57] <stpeter> that's the question :)
[17:31:02] <bear> it needs to be engaging, so we may need to find out what the topics of interest are first
[17:31:17] <bear> but it sounds like summary lightning talks are an "in"
[17:31:30] <stpeter> I think I have a smaller room arranged for Friday, let me see how many it seats
[17:31:37] <Florian> :)
[17:31:45] <stpeter> I think it's 25
[17:31:49] <stpeter> and 40 on Monday
[17:31:51] <stpeter> or something like that
[17:31:55] <stpeter> (round numbers)
[17:31:59] <Florian> ok...
[17:32:02] <bear> ok to move on to next item?
[17:32:04] <Florian> +1
[17:32:05] <stpeter> usually Friday is smaller
[17:32:06] <stpeter> yep
[17:32:14] <stpeter> almost up to 30 minutes here
[17:32:18] <Florian> so ... I added Limiting Dinner to Members
[17:32:23] <Nÿco> heckfest/interop around file transfer also
[17:32:25] <Florian> and Sponsors
[17:32:29] <Will> and me
[17:32:31] <bear> dinner: question about limiting to members
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[17:32:45] <Florian> the problem:
[17:33:00] <Florian> it's close to impossible to find a restaurant that will seat 50 geeks :)
[17:33:04] <stpeter> Nÿco: yes
[17:33:10] <stpeter> heh
[17:33:11] <stpeter> yeah
[17:33:15] <Florian> in Brussels it's impossible
[17:33:15] <Will> how aobut we dont tell them we're geeks?
[17:33:20] <Florian> haha :)
[17:33:39] <Kev> I don't see much reason to be seating people with no prior or subsequent interaction with the community.
[17:33:41] <dwd> I raised this with Florian, and I'm fine with non-members turning up, but I'm not so happy that the XSF is subsidizing them.
[17:33:46] <Florian> and there's a point to make ... Why should I be an XSF member?
[17:33:52] <Will> Kev - money
[17:33:55] <Florian> right
[17:34:06] <Kev> Will: That would be an interaction.
[17:34:33] <Kev> It happened this year that people turned up for FOSDEM, ate the food, and that was about all that I'd seen of them before or since.
[17:34:35] <Florian> so I'd say.. limit it to XSF Member+1 and Sponsors
[17:34:42] <dwd> Will, Oh, for sure - if someone's paying sufficient that the net result is that they're still subsidizing XSF members, great.
[17:34:47] <bear> members and sponsor reps == great idea IMO
[17:34:49] <Kev> I'm happy for sponsors to have seats, I'm happy for members to have seats.
[17:35:13] <Kev> I don't see why non-community-members should get seats outside those groups, and certainly not why the XSF (through sponsors) should pay for them.
[17:35:25] <Will> we've already told sponsors they can have seats: http://xmpp.org/sponsor/sponsor-the-xsf/
[17:35:29] <Florian> indeed
[17:35:33] <dwd> Will, Right, that's fine.
[17:35:39] <Florian> I'd say ... Sponsors + Dinner Sponsors
[17:35:47] <bear> sounds like we are all agreeing vigorously about the same small cluster of ideas - should we stamp it as board approved?
[17:35:56] <Kev> Florian: And members? :)
[17:35:59] <Will> yup
[17:36:01] <Florian> oh yeah ... those too
[17:36:03] <Florian> :p
[17:36:17] <Florian> bear: yes!
[17:36:23] <stpeter> so members can bring a guest, or non-members pay their own way?
[17:36:28] <dwd> Florian, you suggested +1 - I'm not convinced that's needed. Yes, this is a social thing, but still.
[17:36:40] <Florian> hmm
[17:36:49] <Florian> what about "Dinner Sponsors"
[17:36:53] <Florian> like Vodafone for example
[17:36:59] <Florian> they're not a Sponsor
[17:37:00] <stpeter> make them sponsors?
[17:37:03] <Florian> but a "Dinner Sponsor"
[17:37:09] <Kev> stpeter: Apart from sponsors, I think non-members should have to at least pay their way, if they're elligible at all.
[17:37:12] <Florian> well ... Dinner sponsors are smaller contributions
[17:37:14] <Florian> like 100€
[17:37:15] <Florian> etc.
[17:37:17] <stpeter> ah
[17:37:18] <stpeter> right
[17:37:23] <bear> that sounds like a great way to get a foot in the door to an organization for later larger sponsorship
[17:37:23] <Will> dwd: some people turn up with partners, excluding them could lead to problems
[17:37:29] <dwd> I'm fine with anyone showing up if they're paying (at least) their way.
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[17:37:38] <Florian> right
[17:37:42] <Florian> so ... to sum up ...
[17:38:16] <Florian> Members +1 for the price of the dinner (50€)
Sponsors: As per Sponsor chart
Dinner Sponsors
[17:38:23] <Florian> those can get access...
[17:38:46] <Florian> i.e. Nokia ... it's easier for them to sponsor a single dinner, than getting them to become an XSF sponsor
[17:38:52] <Florian> don't ask me why ... it just is :)
[17:38:54] <stpeter> yep
[17:39:04] <Florian> so I want to keep the "dinner sponsor" thing going
[17:39:14] <Florian> as we had loads of people just pitching in 100@
[17:39:15] <bear> one is easier to hide in the accounting books :)
[17:39:15] <Florian>
[17:39:39] <Florian> and the 100€ resulted each year in free food :)
[17:39:55] <bear> sounds like we have consensus then on the dinner agenda item - true?
[17:40:03] <Kev> From the balcony, yes.
[17:40:07] <stpeter> now the challenge is to find a pace to eat :)
[17:40:08] <Florian> ah right
[17:40:10] <stpeter> +l
[17:40:12] <Florian> Will will need to pay :D
[17:40:25] <dwd> Florian, Ha!
[17:40:45] <Florian> I guess that means Isode "Will" need to sponsor :D
[17:41:10] *bear looks around for something to throw at Florian
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[17:41:15] <Florian> haha
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[17:41:34] <bear> k, next up - Interop
[17:41:59] <Florian> I guess it's progressing ...
[17:42:13] <Florian> I'd like to see this become an ongoing effort
[17:42:18] <bear> I am liking the idea of doing this on a very regular basis
[17:42:21] <Florian> i.e. keep the test servers up for longer
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[17:42:35] <Florian> because we spent a lot of time just setting them up, getting certs etc.
[17:42:39] <stpeter> how "very"?
[17:42:44] <stpeter> quarterly? monthly?
[17:42:46] <bear> well, maybe not up all the time, but if we can get the configs documented ...
[17:42:58] <Will> very regular could mean once every 10 years, hope you mean frequent
[17:43:12] <stpeter> Florian: right, it would be good to build on all that work
[17:43:18] <Kev> I don't think it's a good idea to have the servers stay up.
[17:43:19] <Florian> every 2 months?
[17:43:22] <bear> biologically regular, not astronically regular ;)
[17:43:31] <Florian> for a week?
[17:43:33] <bear> wow - what word was that I just typed
[17:43:38] <Kev> I do think it's good to keep the configs (especially the CA) around.
[17:43:44] <stpeter> Kev: yes
[17:43:51] <dwd> Kev, Running up a CA, even, is pretty easy.
[17:44:03] <bear> I think every 3 months with CA and DNS always up
[17:44:06] <Kev> One week every 2 months is 13% of the participants time, if it takes them most of their time to do it.
[17:44:11] <Florian> bear: +1
[17:44:28] <Florian> quarterly
[17:44:31] <bear> it doesn't have to be full time for someone all week
[17:44:35] <Florian> that way, there's also progress in between
[17:44:39] <Kev> bear: I've spent quite a lot of this week on it.
[17:44:53] <Will> its better to aim low and over-perform than the other way around.
[17:44:54] <bear> yea, but that's upfront setup - will that be required in 3 months?
[17:45:07] <Kev> I don't see why it wouldn't.
[17:45:11] <dwd> I have to say we're looking at one now, some interop activity at the summits - that's a lot of time on this.
[17:45:19] <bear> ok, then let's use that as the baseline
[17:45:36] <Kev> Another 6 months before another one would be good, I think.
[17:45:48] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Ok...
[17:45:55] <bear> 6 months sounds ok to me
[17:45:59] <stpeter> WFM
[17:46:04] <Will> 6 yes
[17:46:07] <bear> especially since I have no dog in this hunt
[17:46:08] <dwd> I'm fine with aiming for 6 months for the next online one. If we find a need to do one sooner, then that's also okay.
[17:46:16] <Kev> Right.
[17:46:22] <Kev> Doing them too often just devalues them.
[17:46:31] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Ok... I mean we have the summits too
[17:46:45] <Kev> If they become a burden for participants, there won't be any, and that's bad.
[17:46:47] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> With interop action
[17:46:50] <stpeter> agreed
[17:46:55] <bear> doing server interop at the summit at oscon was *very* time consuming - especially for a one day event
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[17:47:10] <bear> so I could see summit interop being limited to clients and/or libs
[17:47:22] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Hmm... Ok
[17:47:31] <Kev> bear: If the summit has sensible 'net access, it's not impossible to re-use the infrastructure.
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[17:48:24] <bear> kev - true, that was what we spent a lot of time on - the net access was not sensible :(
[17:48:36] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> That's why I want to keep it up
[17:48:54] <bear> ok - we are at 45 minutes
[17:48:56] <dwd> Kev, But we can also spin up a new CA for that easily. Same with DNS, it's not hard. Just that *any* interop setup like this takes time.
[17:49:24] <stpeter> let's continue the interop discussion after this week finishes
[17:49:31] <stpeter> and see how people feel then
[17:49:36] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Right
[17:49:39] <bear> +1 to tabling to after meeting and to the lists
[17:49:48] <bear> ok, any other agenda items to consider?
[17:49:54] <stpeter> then we'll have a better idea of costs and benefits
[17:50:00] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Not from my end
[17:50:05] <Will> none here
[17:50:16] <stpeter> bear: I still owe you that old sponsor list, will do before Christmas
[17:50:34] <bear> the next board meeting would be the 22nd of December - is that going to be too close to the holidays for anyone?
[17:50:43] <bear> stpeter: thanks
[17:50:47] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Nope
[17:50:54] <stpeter> 22nd is fine with me
[17:51:04] <Will> i'm ok for 22nd
[17:51:18] <jack> should be alright here
[17:51:28] <bear> Nÿco?
[17:52:18] <bear> ok, 22nd it is
[17:52:26] <bear> thanks one and all for another great meeting
[17:52:33] *bear bangs the gavel
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[17:52:38] <Will> bye all
[17:52:38] <stpeter> thanks, everyone
[17:52:47] <Nÿco> thx
[17:52:53] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> I guess that's a maybe...
[17:52:55] *bear goes to post minutes
[17:53:09] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Fucking freezing my hands off here on this iCrap
[17:53:14] *stpeter updates the calendar
[17:53:34] <bear> stpeter - use the non-ietf muc link this time ;)
[17:53:44] <stpeter> haha
[17:53:47] <stpeter> hadn't noticed that
[17:53:48] <admin@im.flosoft.biz> Bye guys
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[17:56:16] <stpeter> calendar updated in git, let's see if Tobias's auto-updating works :)
[17:56:56] <bear> minutes emailed
[17:57:01] *bear updates board wiki page
[17:57:02] <stpeter> thanks, bear
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[18:00:07] *stpeter wonders why his calendar isn't popping up reminders for XSF events
[18:00:33] <bear> hmm, where do I edit this page: http://xmpp.org/xsf/board/
[18:01:18] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/the-xsf-board-of-directors/ is the new link
[18:01:25] <stpeter> we need to set up a whole bunch of redirects
[18:01:35] <bear> I got to that page from the main page
[18:01:48] <stpeter> so we need to fix some hrefs, too :)
[18:01:52] <bear> hehehe
[18:01:56] <stpeter> I need to spend some quality time with the website
[18:02:18] <bear> the wiki main page I meant - sorry
[18:02:22] <bear> i can fix that tho...
[18:02:35] <stpeter> ah
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[18:02:36] <stpeter> ok
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[18:06:45] <bear> k, back to my regularly scheduled day off...
[18:06:51] <stpeter> heh
[18:06:54] <stpeter> thanks, bear
[18:06:56] <stpeter> I appreciate it
[18:07:03] <bear> thanks to you also :)
[18:07:14] <stpeter> :)
[18:07:48] <bear> oh hey - been meaning to ask, sorry for the ambush: did GSoC funds arrive or is there anything we need to follow up with them?
[18:08:12] <stpeter> I haven't seen the funds yet, but I'm not on the discussion list -- shall I ping LH?
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[18:08:58] <bear> I don't think it's been talked about at all - I can ping her with my "Admin" hat on
[18:09:05] <stpeter> ok
[18:09:08] <bear> I was just reminded because I got my tshirt in the mail
[18:09:15] <stpeter> I don't remember the chronology of payment from years past
[18:09:48] <bear> I can use "this being my first time, so forgive me my n00bness" wording then
[18:09:57] <stpeter> :)
[18:10:00] <stpeter> thanks
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