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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[16:59:45] <Nÿco> 3 mins
[17:00:07] <Nÿco> http://typewith.me/g942GwirVn
[17:04:26] <stpeter> ok
[17:04:43] <stpeter> I'm on the phone
[17:06:06] <Florian> I'm here
[17:06:20] <Nÿco> good
[17:06:24] <Nÿco> what's the agenda today?
[17:06:52] <Florian> I guess FOSDEM / Summit
[17:07:01] <Nÿco> Jack is not there?
[17:07:09] <Florian> nor is WIll
[17:07:14] <Florian> what about moving this meeting?
[17:07:19] <Florian> a week down the line?
[17:08:02] <stpeter> not sure who is working next week :)
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[17:08:09] <stpeter> but we can chat among the three of us :)
[17:08:24] <Nÿco> no reminder no meeting?
[17:08:33] <stpeter> wasn't it in the calendar?
[17:08:36] <Florian> it was
[17:08:43] <Florian> and the reminder was kinda sent by Will :)
[17:08:52] <stpeter> somehow I don't receive pop-up reminders
[17:08:54] <Nÿco> I must tell I ama bit disappointed by the lack of concern of the board...
[17:09:00] <stpeter> but I thikn that's an iCal issue
[17:09:17] <Florian> I got a pop-up
[17:10:01] <Nÿco> what can we do?
[17:10:53] <Florian> I don't think it's been too bad
[17:11:01] <Florian> so far, all the meetings, everyone was there
[17:11:17] <stpeter> one thing that came up on the XMPP list was the idea of holding a joint XSF/IETF meeting at FOSDEM
[17:11:23] <stpeter> e.g., on Monday
[17:11:35] <Florian> what does an IETF meeting involve?
[17:12:11] <stpeter> to work on things that are of interest to the XMPP WG and the broader community -- especially internationalization, but also end-to-end encryption and server-to-server "piggybacking" (domain name assertions)
[17:12:49] <Florian> ok...
[17:12:49] <stpeter> essentially, we would work on the agenda for Monday together with the chairs of the XMPP WG, who are Joe Hildebrand and Ben Campbell
[17:12:58] <stpeter> and it might be easier for some people to get travel approvals
[17:12:59] <Nÿco> I guess a few XMPP guys are involved n IETF, and don't know the procedures
[17:13:34] <Florian> what about getting a second room at Cisco?
[17:13:40] <stpeter> two tracks
[17:13:40] <Florian> maybe just for an hour or two
[17:13:42] <stpeter> ?
[17:13:54] <Florian> well, a side-track ... IETF for 2-3 hours
[17:14:09] <Florian> not sure how long these take, and what procedures there are
[17:14:13] <stpeter> well, the internationalized address stuff is pretty critical :)
[17:14:48] <stpeter> and that will take us a while to figure out
[17:14:53] <Florian> right ... but how does it differ from the normal summits?
[17:14:57] <stpeter> it all makes your head hurt :)
[17:15:03] <Florian> i.e. are there things that we need to do formally
[17:15:10] <Florian> that we don't during the summits?
[17:15:10] <stpeter> I don't think it would really be different
[17:15:14] <Nÿco> so wanna transform an XMPP Summit in IETF Summit?
[17:15:18] <Florian> well ... why not hold them joint then?
[17:16:53] <stpeter> except that on Friday we would probably talk about some things that are not within the charter for the XMPP WG, and on Monday we would talk about things that are within the XMPP WG charter -- internationalization, end-to-end encryption, and server-to-server improvements
[17:17:18] <Florian> ok ...
[17:17:20] <Florian> how about this ...
[17:17:41] <Florian> monday ... have half of the day being IETF topics
[17:17:56] <stpeter> could do that, too
[17:18:05] <Florian> and if we have other topics, from outside the IETF charter, those are still addressed
[17:18:09] <stpeter> right
[17:18:24] <stpeter> I think that would work fine
[17:18:28] <Florian> splitting up for more than an hour or two would be bad
[17:18:34] <Florian> as we want input from everyone really
[17:18:34] <stpeter> agreed
[17:19:08] <Florian> Nÿco: do you agree with that?
[17:20:55] <Florian> i'll put it down for now ...
[17:21:49] <stpeter> ok
[17:22:06] <Florian> I've got some news for the DevChallenge
[17:22:15] <stpeter> cool
[17:22:33] <stpeter> I still haven't taken care of the lunch / coffee stuff on Friday and Monday
[17:22:47] <Florian> Nokia is willing to give away a phone again
[17:23:07] <Florian> for a DevChallenge
[17:23:15] <stpeter> that's great
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[17:24:02] <Florian> they are researching the possibility of getting 20 phones again
[17:24:56] <Florian> I'd like to ask the Council if they have any ideas about the topics for the dev challenge
[17:25:04] <Florian> there is the Ovi Push Service (based on XMPP)
[17:25:13] <Florian> which is a topic Nokia is interested in
[17:25:22] <Florian> but maybe the council can come up with some other topics?
[17:26:45] <stpeter> yes, let's poke them
[17:26:58] <Florian> stpeter: can you do that?
[17:27:10] <stpeter> or bring it up on the Members list
[17:27:16] <Florian> or that
[17:27:37] <stpeter> I like to make things more open if we can :)
[17:27:46] <Florian> sounds good :)
[17:28:31] <Florian> so will you take lead on that?
[17:28:46] <stpeter> yes
[17:29:14] <Florian> next topic?
[17:29:27] <Florian> I wanted to bring up the massive Facebook debate
[17:29:28] <stpeter> yep
[17:29:32] <stpeter> heh ok
[17:29:49] <Nÿco> what's that?
[17:30:17] <Florian> the "official" Facebook page
[17:30:24] <Nÿco> nothing official
[17:30:42] <Nÿco> but we absolutely need to be there, one way or another, like any other successful service
[17:30:49] <Florian> right
[17:30:55] <Nÿco> we need to promote ourselves
[17:31:00] <Florian> I agree
[17:31:06] <Nÿco> whether it is by the Board/Council or by the community
[17:31:09] <stpeter> I really don't have a problem with it :)
[17:31:16] <Nÿco> here, the community manages it, so be it
[17:31:17] <Florian> me n'either
[17:31:35] <Florian> I think it's a good idea
[17:31:44] <Nÿco> we can however officially demand the removal of 'official'
[17:31:49] <Florian> so why not make it official?
[17:32:02] <Florian> I wouldn't go as far as linking it on xmpp.org
[17:32:13] <Nÿco> because people have expressed strong opinions against it, which are right
[17:33:13] <Nÿco> t would be a strong message that the XSF supports this closed island
[17:33:13] <Florian> hmm
[17:33:37] <Nÿco> otherwise, we would need an "official" presence on Twitter as well
[17:33:48] <Nÿco> ...and on any other successful service
[17:34:01] <Florian> hmm
[17:34:02] <Nÿco> successful being defined by many different ways
[17:34:29] <Florian> ok... so should we just take the position of saying ... promote XMPP wherever you want
[17:34:54] <Florian> but none of these services will be managed by the XSF
[17:35:02] <Florian> the only official page is XMPP.org
[17:36:22] <stpeter> right
[17:36:24] <stpeter> which is fine
[17:36:29] <Florian> right
[17:36:44] <stpeter> I'm not a Facebook person, but I think it's fine to have a Facebook presence for people who use Facebook :)
[17:37:26] <Florian> ok
[17:38:05] <stpeter> I can post about this to the members list
[17:38:36] <stpeter> in my role as Executive Director :)
[17:38:38] <Nÿco> it needs a Board vote/approval maybe...
[17:38:45] <stpeter> well, possibly, yes
[17:39:12] <Florian> hmm
[17:39:15] <Florian> ok
[17:39:21] <Florian> when is the next vote?
[17:39:31] <stpeter> the Board can vote anytime it wants
[17:39:41] <Florian> right ... I thought a member vote
[17:39:44] <stpeter> oh
[17:39:48] <stpeter> I see no need for that
[17:39:58] <Florian> ok ...
[17:40:27] <Florian> so should we post the thing I just wrote down to the board list and get an approval?
[17:40:34] <Nÿco> yep
[17:40:37] <stpeter> +1
[17:41:03] <Florian> great
[17:41:15] <Florian> anything else we need to talk about?
[17:41:41] <Nÿco> last points were?
[17:43:10] <stpeter> oh
[17:43:12] <stpeter> another issue
[17:43:16] <stpeter> Voxeo page
[17:43:18] <stpeter> do we have text?
[17:43:25] <stpeter> I received a check from them :)
[17:43:46] <Florian> searching my inbox
[17:43:50] <stpeter> ok
[17:44:21] <Florian> I have a logo
[17:45:01] <Florian> forwarded those to you stpeter
[17:45:02] <stpeter> so we might need to ask them for text
[17:45:04] <stpeter> ok
[17:45:06] <Florian> right
[17:45:08] <Florian> no text
[17:46:00] <stpeter> in the past I've usually drafted those pages based on things I find on the sponsor's website :)
[17:46:05] <stpeter> and then ask them for approval
[17:46:10] <Florian> or we can do that
[17:47:28] <stpeter> I think that's the best approach
[17:47:42] <Nÿco> review? http://typewith.me/g942GwirVn
[17:48:38] <stpeter> looks good
[17:48:47] <Florian> yup
[17:49:08] <Florian> so I'd say ... meeting adjourned :)
[17:49:08] <stpeter> :)
[17:49:11] <stpeter> yes
[17:49:22] <Nÿco> ok
[17:49:22] <Nÿco> thx
[17:49:23] <Florian> right ... thanks guys
[17:49:29] <Nÿco> and...
[17:49:35] <Nÿco> Merry Christmas
[17:49:36] <Florian> I'm off to get my luggage back
[17:49:44] <Florian> yes! Merry Xmas :)
[17:49:48] <stpeter> good luck with that!
[17:49:48] <Nÿco> ;-)
[17:50:00] <stpeter> thanks, Nÿco -- thanks, Florian
[17:50:07] <Nÿco> thank you Peter
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