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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[14:56:10] <Vanaryon> Hi!
[14:56:36] <Kev> Hello.
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[14:57:17] <Vanaryon> I would like to submit a little change to the microblogging XEP (file attach feature), can I speak about it here?
[14:57:41] <Kev> Try the standards@ list.
[14:57:54] <Vanaryon> All right, thanks ;)
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[15:00:08] <Vanaryon> It's a missing feature for microblogging, that you can see running in Jappix (https://www.jappix.com/) ;) I will send a little mail
[15:00:36] <Vanaryon> Kev, do you know any other XMPP client using this XEP right now?
[15:00:59] <Vanaryon> I'd like to see how others are integrating it in their clients ;)
[15:01:20] <Kev> No, I think everyone decided the XEP wasn't much use and is waiting for / work ing on something better.
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[15:02:11] <Vanaryon> Okay, I see. So a complete XEP revision will be done (another XML scheme, ...) ?
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[15:17:22] <Vanaryon> Message sent to standards@ ;)
[15:17:29] <stpeter> thanks!
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[15:27:43] <Vanaryon> Did you received it? I did not get mine from the list, that's strange :S (or your ML server does not send the sender message back to him?)
[15:28:13] <Kev> I've not received it. Are you subscribed?
[15:28:19] <Vanaryon> Kev, yes
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[15:32:03] <Vanaryon> Sent again
[15:32:20] <Vanaryon> My message is HTML encoded, does this affect the ML server?
[15:33:37] <Vanaryon> Strange, I did not get it back again. Are the ML servers up?
[15:34:17] <Kev> It's fairly unlikely that they aren't.
[15:36:09] <Vanaryon> Maye I should send the mail to someone of you who will send it via their own address?
[15:36:13] <Vanaryon> *Maybe
[15:36:47] <Kev> Can do if you want.
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[15:40:04] <Vanaryon> I PM-ed you ;)
[15:40:33] <Kev> I know.
[15:40:58] <stpeter> heh
[15:41:16] <stpeter> Vanaryon: you need to send the message from the same address you used to subscribe
[15:41:23] <Vanaryon> stpeter : I did ;)
[15:41:24] <Kev> stpeter: I already checked that.
[15:41:30] <Kev> Or asked that, rather.
[15:41:42] <stpeter> ok
[15:42:01] *stpeter goes back to reviewing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-content-disp-08
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[16:58:49] <bear> i'm wondering with all of the TZ changes if folks are going to be -1 and +1 on the meeting time
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[16:59:57] <Kev> Council managed - it'd be a sad reflection on Board if they couldn't ;)
[17:00:29] <bear> :P
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[17:03:03] <stpeter> hi
[17:03:10] <bear> hi
[17:03:29] <stpeter> I'm coming to loathe daylight saving time
[17:03:34] <bear> same
[17:04:26] <bear> tho i don't have your tech-jetsetter roblems
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[17:07:44] <bear> we don't have a quorum I think - any pressing issues that need looking into?
[17:08:16] <Kev> I'm not going to bug anyone about GSoC this week :)
[17:08:42] <bear> yea - we are pending
[17:08:43] <stpeter> :)
[17:09:53] <bear> ok, 5 or so minutes and i think we should call it
[17:11:26] <stpeter> WFM
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[17:12:34] <bear> k, i'll draft an email asking for agenda items for next mtg. will be busier as that is post gsoc deadline
[17:13:18] *bear bangs gavel
[17:13:28] <stpeter> yep
[17:13:38] <stpeter> I'll be here next week and then offline the following week
[17:13:43] <bear> k
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[17:16:59] <Will> i've missed a meeting haven't i?
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[17:17:19] <stpeter> well
[17:17:32] <stpeter> I think bear just called it on account of quorum
[17:17:54] <Will> i'm useless, I will do penance by editing web pages on xmpp.org
[17:18:04] <jack> i won't be availbale next week, as i'm teaching a class on XMPP in San Fran
[17:18:31] <stpeter> jack: cool
[17:18:51] <stpeter> Will: yeah I stalled on that because I got busy with IETF preparations
[17:19:04] <Will> i don't envy you
[17:19:37] *stpeter shrugs
[17:19:54] <stpeter> also the RFC revisions are very close to being published, so I've had final review work with the RFC Editor
[17:20:30] <bear> next week will probably be gsoc planning if we are accepted
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[20:03:03] <Alex> hey guys, how are you?
[20:03:13] <stpeter> hi Alex :)
[20:03:18] <stpeter> do we have a quorum?
[20:03:26] <Alex> yes we do
[20:03:29] <Kev> Yay.
[20:03:30] <stpeter> ah, good
[20:04:18] <Alex> ok, lets start
[20:04:29] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:04:47] <Alex> our Agenda for today is here:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2011-03-16/
[20:05:00] <Alex> 1) Call for Quorum
[20:05:15] <Alex> 41 members have voted via proxy, so we have a quorum
[20:05:33] <Alex> 2) Items Subject to a Vote
[20:06:02] <Alex> New and Returning members , you can find the applications here:
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_February_2011
[20:06:21] <Alex> 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
[20:06:54] <Alex> does anybody wants to vote in the meeting?
[20:07:32] <stpeter> I think everyone here has voted
[20:07:33] <kurt.zeilenga> Alex, I like to request my votes, currently attributed to kdz@jabber.org <mailto:kdz@jabber.org>, be attributed to my JID of record, kurt.zeilenga@isode.com <mailto:kurt.zeilenga@isode.com>.
[20:08:26] <Neustradamus> hi all
[20:08:27] <kurt.zeilenga> that is, s/kdz@jabber.org <mailto:s/kdz@jabber.org>/kurt.zeilenga@isode.com/ in the records/minutes.
[20:08:31] <Alex> no problem Kurt
[20:08:48] <stpeter> kurt.zeilenga: do we have cryptographic assurance that kdz@jabber.org is controlled by the same person who controls kurt.zeilenga@isode.com? ;-)
[20:09:08] <kurt.zeilenga> no.
[20:09:33] <Alex> ok , lemme prepare the results
[20:09:44] <Tobias> stpeter: can't you assure that by reading through years of chat archives of the kdz@jabber.org account? :D
[20:09:53] <stpeter> Tobias: perhaps :)
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[20:10:38] <stpeter> hi Steven
[20:10:43] <Steven Parkes> late but ...
[20:10:59] <Alex> 4) Announcement of Voting Results
[20:11:15] <Alex> when you relead the page at:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2011-03-16/
you can see the results
[20:11:29] <Alex> all new and returning members were accepted
[20:11:44] <stpeter> ok!
[20:12:01] <Alex> 5) Any Other Business?
[20:12:44] <stpeter> I still need to propose a change to the bylaws about membership application periods
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[20:13:09] <stpeter> i.e., the clause about "Applications from prospective new members shall be accepted during the first 10 days of each quarter (i.e., in January, April, July, and October)"
[20:13:25] <Alex> yes, and we have to finanlize the changed Dave proposed before the next board and council vote
[20:13:33] <stpeter> I don't remember that change
[20:14:05] <Alex> don't remeber exactly either, have to check in the archieves again
[20:14:25] <stpeter> ok
[20:14:39] <stpeter> so we need to get those proposals onto the agenda for the next meeting
[20:14:50] <stpeter> that way, they will apply in September
[20:14:57] <Kev> Did Dave get as far as proposing?
[20:15:06] <Kev> I don't remember if he proposed, or proposed to propose.
[20:16:04] *stpeter sends an email about it *right now*
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[20:18:39] <Alex> its in this thread:
http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2010-September/005961.html
[20:19:18] <Alex> 6) Formal Adjournment
[20:19:20] <stpeter> hmm, there are some formatting glitches at http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-bylaws/ -- Will and I shall add that to our list of pages to fix
[20:19:39] <Alex> I motion that we adjourn
[20:20:04] <stpeter> seconded
[20:20:07] *Alex bangs the gavel
[20:20:14] <Alex> thanks guys
[20:20:20] <stpeter> thank you, Alex!
[20:21:11] <Alex> had discussions with dave about a new memberbot, based on sleek, lua or swiften
[20:21:43] <Alex> we thought the members could decide on a framework and tsrat hacking on it
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[20:23:43] <stpeter> I'm all in favor of a new memberbot :)
[20:24:36] *stpeter checks http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc6120-lastdiff.html
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[20:27:14] <stpeter> looks good, now I'll return to my review of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-arch-12 -- oh joy! ;-)
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[20:28:23] <Alex> need some food and have to watch the news, back later
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[20:29:45] <Kev> Thanks Alex.
[20:30:19] <Neustradamus> it is planned to update history ? http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/history/
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[20:33:41] <stpeter> Neustradamus: yes, that's another page to be updated :)
[20:34:11] <Neustradamus> :)
[20:34:46] <stpeter> Neustradamus: do you have editing privileges in WordPress?
[20:35:02] <Neustradamus> Can you add a link to the mediawiki(http://wiki.xmpp.org/) ? example in the top menu ?
[20:35:06] <Neustradamus> I think yes
[20:36:57] <stpeter> Neustradamus: where do you think the link to the wiki belongs? under "Resources"?
[20:38:26] <stpeter> oh joy, I found a bug in Firefox that is causing my browser to freeze
[20:38:27] <Neustradamus> the best solution will be "alone" : Wiki
[20:39:16] <Kev> I don't think it deserves a top-level link. Below resources seems reasonable.
[20:39:41] <stpeter> agreed
[20:39:55] <stpeter> I suppose I'll need to report this bug, because I can reproduce it...
[20:40:50] <Neustradamus> yes, I accept in resources
[20:43:11] <Neustradamus> it is possible to redirect http://xmpp.net/ to http://xmpp.org/resources/certificates/ ?
[20:46:02] <stpeter> I thought I had done that already
[20:47:51] <Neustradamus> strange, I see always the "old page".
[20:47:57] <stpeter> hmm
[20:48:42] <stpeter> fixing
[20:49:15] <Neustradamus> ok :)
[20:49:34] <stpeter> try now
[20:49:42] <stpeter> hmph
[20:49:58] <Neustradamus> same :(
[20:52:37] <stpeter> yeah
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[20:53:19] <stpeter> ok, I'll add it to my list of things to check when I have time
[20:54:40] <Neustradamus> ok !
[20:59:47] <Neustradamus> it is on your todo list too : http://xmpp.org/services/ ?
[21:00:54] <stpeter> Neustradamus: I'll update the history page when the new RFCs are published
[21:01:05] <Neustradamus> ok :)
[21:02:05] <stpeter> yes we need to fix the services page -- I know for a fact that the .xml file is used by clients (e.g., Miranda), and for now we might need to made the edits in the xml file and in WordPress (two edits instead of one, but at least we'll update the data!!!)
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[21:04:27] <stpeter> brb
[21:04:46] <Neustradamus> ok
[21:07:45] <dwd> Only three votes against me? I'm obviously failing to be suffieicntly contraversial.
[21:08:19] <Kev> I think I usually manage significantly more than that.
[21:17:08] <dwd> Nobody made me a wikipedia page, though. :-(
[21:21:49] <stpeter> I wonder if http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-ghostbusters-00 will run afoul of trademark laws
[21:21:59] <stpeter> dwd: you don't have a wikipedia page? shocking!
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[21:24:45] <Neustradamus> dwd :D
[21:25:55] <dwd> stpeter, I know, I just don't understand it.
[21:26:33] <dwd> stpeter, And as for sidr-ghostbusters, I suspect different fields of endevour.
[21:28:07] <stpeter> dwd: there is no justice in the world!
[21:29:09] <dwd> stpeter, There is no justice, there's just us.™
[21:38:22] <dwd> Apparently Malcolm X. Always wondered that.
[21:41:05] <stpeter> Is that Malcolm X™ ?
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[22:18:51] <bear> oh poo - completely missed the meeting (hardware failure and #FAIL on me for not having a backup)
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[22:29:33] <stpeter> I don't have a backup system either, really
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