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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:48:11] <Florian> so ... 1hr13mins until the board meeting, right?
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[16:09:36] <stpeter> yes
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[16:49:05] <bear> http://typewith.me/GgkwnF2D5f
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[16:56:40] <bear> 5 minutes to board meeting
[16:56:53] <Florian> we're here :)
[16:57:00] <Florian> well, I'm here :)
[16:57:16] <bear> :)
[16:59:31] <stpeter> me too!
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[17:00:56] <Florian> pinged Will
[17:01:01] <stpeter> ok
[17:01:13] <stpeter> Jack is online
[17:01:36] <Florian> yup, just pinged him too :)
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[17:03:25] <stpeter> and Nÿco?
[17:03:46] <Florian> can't see him online?
[17:04:21] <bear> stpeter - what kind of feedback are you looking for in regards to the trademark items? yea/nea votes, long rambling treatises or other verbage, hostility?
[17:04:35] <stpeter> bear: just +1/-1
[17:04:45] <stpeter> naturally, if folks have concerns then express
[17:04:52] <stpeter> express them
[17:04:57] <bear> ah, sorry if that was a repeat question
[17:04:58] <Florian> ok :)
[17:04:59] <stpeter> such concerns might lead to treatises
[17:05:01] <stpeter> but I doubt it
[17:05:10] <jack> +1 on both from me.
[17:05:20] <Florian> +1 from me too :)
[17:05:22] <bear> +1 for me
[17:05:29] <bear> i'll summarize in the bug thenafter the meeting
[17:05:29] <stpeter> I'm working to clean up the trademark stuff
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[17:08:13] <Florian> so ... should we start the meeting officially?
[17:08:19] <bear> I don't see Will or Nyco online - should we start?
[17:08:20] <stpeter> in the minutes we can ask for feedback from Will and Nÿco in the next few days
[17:08:24] <Florian> Don't seem to get a response from Will or Nyco
[17:08:29] <stpeter> (about the ™ stuff)
[17:08:38] <bear> ok, let's start and they can respond via email
[17:08:41] <stpeter> nod
[17:08:46] <Florian> +1 :)
[17:08:51] <bear> any agenda bashing?
[17:08:55] <stpeter> I thought you had started :)
[17:08:59] <bear> oops
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[17:09:17] <stpeter> n/p
[17:09:29] <stpeter> my confusion
[17:09:39] <bear> just me being chatty
[17:09:44] <bear> k, trademarks
[17:10:03] <bear> looks like we need to get others to +1/-1 in email and we will ask via minutes email for them
[17:10:09] <bear> anything else on trademarks?
[17:10:14] <Florian> not here
[17:10:40] <bear> ok
[17:10:46] <Florian> so, the FOSDEM Dev Challenge Winner ...
[17:10:51] <Florian> added the info there ...
[17:10:58] <bear> thanks for updating the notes on the winner
[17:11:00] <Florian> the App should appear in the app store soon
[17:11:16] <bear> can you do a blog post about it or forward me info and I'll draft one
[17:11:36] <Florian> will do
[17:12:19] <bear> any questions about this item?
[17:13:00] <Florian> not from me:)
[17:13:44] <bear> k
[17:13:52] <Florian> next, GSoC Update?
[17:13:59] *bear pastes
[17:14:01] <bear> GSoC: we have 5 students and things are pre-crazy calm while everyone finishes school and preps for start
more activity will happen by end of week when I start emailing and talking about schedules after conferring with Kevin about them
[17:14:11] <bear> basically it's the calm before the storm
[17:14:17] <Florian> ok :)
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[17:14:36] <bear> once kev and I have a plan on communication and "check points" then we will get busy :)
[17:14:52] <bear> k, xmpp summit NA
[17:14:59] <Florian> yeah, sorry, just added that now :)
[17:15:17] <Florian> so, it's looking grim ...
[17:15:31] <Florian> or did I miss something?
[17:15:39] <stpeter> BTW, some OAuth folks also noted the unfortunate overlap between OSCON and IETF 81
[17:16:35] <Florian> so, I personally think it's a pity that there is no summit going on ... but then I wouldn't be able to attend anyway :p
[17:16:48] <Florian> so, my idea was ... local meetups
[17:16:58] <Florian> there's one it seems in SFO
[17:17:05] <bear> one was yesterday
[17:17:10] <Florian> right
[17:17:14] <stpeter> I do think local meetups are a good idea
[17:17:21] <stpeter> which one happened yesterday?
[17:17:24] <Florian> how about doing a global local meetup :)
[17:17:35] <stpeter> bear and I had a meetup about 10 days ago :)
[17:18:08] <bear> :)
[17:18:15] <Florian> Global Local Meetups: Smaller meetups of XMPP peeps in different places, on a day, and then using modern real-time technology, do something together
[17:18:21] <Florian> or at least overlap some stuff
[17:18:22] <bear> there was a pre-google io meeting at CitizenSpace
[17:18:30] <bear> put together by a bunch of folks
[17:18:44] <Florian> we could also use that to promote Jingle a bit :)
[17:18:52] <Florian> and possibly even MuJi
[17:19:14] <stpeter> open discussion day would be a good time for a meetup
[17:19:24] <Florian> when's that?
[17:19:40] <stpeter> May 19
[17:19:51] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/2011/05/open-discussion-day-19-may-2011/
[17:19:51] <Florian> ouch ... bit short notice :/
[17:20:00] <stpeter> nod
[17:20:04] <bear> i'm being pulled into a work meeting
[17:20:14] <stpeter> ok
[17:20:18] <Florian> ok
[17:20:20] <bear> i'll post the meeting minutes after I'm done if someone can update the typewithme notes
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[17:20:32] <Florian> well, if you guys don't mind, I'll post some ideas about this to the ML
[17:20:41] <stpeter> a broader issue is whether we need to hold two summits each year
[17:20:47] <stpeter> the FOSDEM one is always successfuly
[17:20:54] <stpeter> s/y//
[17:20:55] <Florian> yeah, I think so too
[17:21:03] <Florian> but I know there's some interest in a UK one ...
[17:21:07] <stpeter> but the North American one not so much
[17:21:16] <Florian> so maybe doing "local" meetups and linking everyone together would be cool
[17:21:32] <Florian> a bit like the Interop event
[17:21:39] <stpeter> right
[17:21:40] <Florian> just more in shorter time
[17:21:47] <Florian> a MUC room, meetups around the world
[17:21:55] <Florian> and possibly Jingle Calls to different locations
[17:22:09] <Florian> and this could include talks, etc.
[17:22:25] <Florian> also easier to archive then, i.e. they're filmed
[17:23:09] <stpeter> true
[17:23:25] <Florian> but yeah, sometime in June or July?
[17:23:37] <stpeter> although the a/v stuff isn't easy
[17:23:48] <Florian> it's not, hence the 19th of May is difficult :)
[17:24:18] <Florian> but there's this one company that does online meetings
[17:24:20] <stpeter> yeah
[17:24:23] <Florian> :)
[17:24:25] <stpeter> :P
[17:24:48] <Florian> and a single camera is quite easy
[17:24:53] <stpeter> see also http://www.meetecho.com/
[17:25:01] <stpeter> they use XMPP for their text chat
[17:25:27] <Florian> interesting
[17:25:32] <stpeter> I met some of those guys in Prague at the last IETF meeting
[17:25:39] <Florian> I personally would love to use Jingle :)
[17:25:43] <stpeter> nod
[17:25:45] <stpeter> for sure
[17:25:50] <Florian> did some calls with Thiago over the relay ... super fast
[17:25:56] <Florian> i.e. latency faster than a phone call
[17:25:58] <Florian> it was immense
[17:26:05] <stpeter> what client did you use?
[17:26:11] <Florian> Jitsi / SIP Comm
[17:26:14] <stpeter> nod
[17:26:20] <stpeter> that seems to be the most advanced Jingle client
[17:26:21] <Florian> so that's an option
[17:26:24] <Florian> yeah
[17:27:05] <stpeter> I need to ping Thiago about an updated XEP for Jingle Nodes
[17:27:24] <Florian> :)
[17:27:53] <jack> i'm also beign pulled away now. i'll followup in email if there is anything mroe in the miinutes.
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[17:28:17] <stpeter> there is also http://www.aim.com/google-chat-changes
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[17:28:46] <stpeter> http://typewith.me/GgkwnF2D5f seems OK but we can let bear send out the minutes
[17:28:47] <Florian> aaah!
[17:29:08] <Florian> so yeah, should I drop an E-mail about it to the board list, to figure out if and how we do that instead?
[17:29:20] <stpeter> or members@xmpp.org
[17:29:25] <stpeter> wider discussion
[17:29:31] <Florian> yup, fine by me
[17:29:56] <Florian> and should we say that the XMPP Summit NA is off the table then?
[17:30:05] <stpeter> see:

$ dig +short -t SRV _xmpp-server._tcp.aol.com
0 1 5269 xmpp.gxmpp.oscar.aol.com.

[17:30:06] <stpeter> yes
[17:30:16] <stpeter> I think so
[17:30:21] <Florian> ok
[17:30:34] <stpeter> phone call, brb
[17:30:37] <Florian> k :)
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[17:48:22] <bear> florian - would love to work up some blog posts on the messy details of getting jingle working for us normal client folk
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[17:53:47] <stpeter> bear: I like that idea!
[17:54:13] <bear> yea, I was talking with a friend and we were wondering how to do it
[17:55:55] <bear> I want to start putting some good ol' public shaming pressure on client and server devs
[17:56:10] *bear hopes he spelled shame'ing properly
[17:56:23] <stpeter> yep
[17:56:33] <stpeter> yep to spelling, yep to shaming :)
[17:56:38] <bear> hehe
[17:57:04] <bear> if google can do voice and video calls on a tablet, then xmpp open source world should be able to do it!
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