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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[15:56:50] <Florian> Meeting in 1hr5mins :)
[15:57:01] <stpeter> yes
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[16:47:10] <bear> meeting notes: http://typewith.me/Vl9ItsS33A
[16:49:14] <stpeter> thanks bear
[16:50:01] *stpeter is deep in a review of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model/ but will break away as needed
[16:51:44] <bear> I don't think we have anything to discuss TBH
[16:51:54] <Kev> GSoC?
[16:52:38] <bear> an update, sure - but since i've all but tossed you under the bus with my dayjob distraction... you would ahve to do that
[16:53:14] <Kev> Are we intending providing students with books again this year?
[16:53:17] <bear> which should be clearing up by friday
[16:53:30] <bear> i'll add that to the agenda
[16:54:14] <stpeter> it seems that we might be able to declare consensus on the trademark applications -- three in favor, none against by my reading of the last meeting
[16:54:30] *bear adds that to meeting
[16:54:34] <bear> err agenda
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[16:55:15] <bear> i'm +1 for books to GSoC students
[16:55:40] <bear> I don't think any are in China this year, so shipping should be a lot easier
[16:56:57] <stpeter> did someone get reimbursed for shipping the last time?
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[16:58:20] <Kev> Bear did the ordering last year.
[16:58:22] <stpeter> on the phone, brb
[16:58:45] <Kev> I'm assuming/hoping he claimed it back.
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[16:59:00] <bear> nope - wrote it of as a "donation"
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[17:01:31] <bear> going to give folks a couple of minutes before starting
[17:01:55] <will.sheward> give us time to read the extensive agenda :-)
[17:01:58] <stpeter> back
[17:02:21] <Florian> back
[17:02:42] <bear> http://typewith.me/Vl9ItsS33A
[17:03:44] <bear> shall we start?
[17:03:50] <stpeter> sure thing
[17:03:57] <Florian> sure
[17:03:59] *stpeter finds http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/110511/#17:04:21 about the trademark applications
[17:04:35] <bear> yea, I updated the bugs to show the +1's
[17:04:45] <will.sheward> my feedback : +1
[17:05:09] <bear> sounds like we can declare consensus for those two applications
[17:05:11] <stpeter> will.sheward: ok
[17:05:12] <stpeter> yep
[17:05:29] <stpeter> I'll process them as "usual" (haven't processed any in a while)
[17:06:18] <bear> Kev was going to ask if it's ok to send books to the GSoC Students like we did last year
[17:06:54] <bear> we send 3 books (IIRC) to each student - would be the same list this year
[17:07:46] *stpeter wonders what Tobias has done with all of his extra books
[17:07:53] <will.sheward> which books?
[17:08:03] <Tobias> :D
[17:08:12] <bear> I"m digging up that list now
[17:08:19] <Tobias> i'm also +1 on books :D
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[17:09:09] <jack> board meeting time?
[17:09:16] <stpeter> I think it's a good thing to do (sending the books)
[17:09:19] <stpeter> jack: yep
[17:09:26] <Florian> I agree
[17:10:02] <Kev> The list was TDG, PP and GTD.
[17:10:26] <Florian> lol
[17:10:27] <Tobias> not again
[17:10:30] <Tobias> :)
[17:10:32] <will.sheward> GTD :-)
[17:10:59] <Kev> Tobias: Maybe you wouldn't need another set.
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[17:11:16] <bear> which one is PP
[17:11:20] <jack> what's PP?
[17:11:23] <will.sheward> hence the question, if theyve already got the titles, shouldn't we send something else?
[17:11:41] <Tobias> Kev: it it's that exact set....
[17:11:46] <bear> tobias is, I think, the only one who would be getting doubles
[17:11:47] <jack> I really like hte Pomodoro book from pragprog as an altnerative to GTD
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[17:12:01] <Kev> PP = Pragmatic Programmer.
[17:12:05] <will.sheward> i cant believe there isn't a single person in the woorld who hasn't already got a (signed) copy of TDG
[17:12:14] <jack> as an alternative to PP there is also the passionate programmer or whatever
[17:12:19] <jack> or Code Complete
[17:12:26] <jack> or Coders at Work
[17:12:29] <Tobias> will.sheward: +1 on different books :)
[17:13:01] <jack> Coders at Work is a fun one for sure
[17:13:17] <Kev> I haven't read any of the ones Jack's named. I picked the above set because they're favourites of mine. If other books have equivalent content and a champion I'm happy.
[17:13:22] <bear> can everyone send to the mailing list their short list of books and i'll collate and pick the top 3?
[17:13:34] <Kev> No.
[17:13:38] <Kev> :p
[17:13:43] <Tobias> heh
[17:13:44] <bear> :)
[17:14:42] <jack> Mythical Man Month is also a classic and a nice read
[17:14:49] <Kev> I do have that one.
[17:15:00] <Kev> I'm not sure which of the three categories it really fits into, though.
[17:15:11] <jack> it's the theoretical version of GTD :)
[17:15:36] <Tobias> theoretical...i hear...*boooring* ;)
[17:15:49] <Florian> lol
[17:16:34] <bear> anything else for gsoc book discussion?
[17:17:02] <bear> do we have any other agenda items?
[17:17:19] <Kev> As long as it ends up being a book on XMPP, a book on being a sensible dev, and a book on doing sensible things with time, I'm ok with whatever choices people come up with (as long as they've read them!).
[17:18:11] <jack> i'll shamelessly suggest my book as an alternative to TDG if there is someone who already has TDG :)
[17:18:50] <bear> +1
[17:18:51] <Tobias> how about beautiful testing?
[17:19:04] <Kev> Honestly, if there was someone doing web stuff I was going to suggest yours instead of TDG Jack.
[17:19:48] <Kev> I did go to buy a copy for myself until I saw they wanted something like $40 for a DRMd ebook :)
[17:20:51] <bear> unless someone has another item to cover, we are pretty much done for this meeting
[17:20:59] <will.sheward> nothing here
[17:21:21] *bear pauses dramatically
[17:21:44] *bear bangs the gavel
[17:21:52] <bear> thanks all - next meeting in two weeks - same time
[17:23:51] <stpeter> excellent
[17:24:05] *stpeter goes back to the joy that is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model-27
[17:24:26] <bear> you have all the *fun*
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[17:29:43] <Kev> Tobias: I'd be inclined to speak to Remko about Beautiful Testing before requesting it, BTW, in case he has thoughts on the matter.
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