stpeteris deep in a review of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model/ but will break away as needed
bearI don't think we have anything to discuss TBH
bearan update, sure - but since i've all but tossed you under the bus with my dayjob distraction... you would ahve to do that
KevAre we intending providing students with books again this year?
bearwhich should be clearing up by friday
beari'll add that to the agenda
stpeterit seems that we might be able to declare consensus on the trademark applications -- three in favor, none against by my reading of the last meeting
bearadds that to meeting
beari'm +1 for books to GSoC students
bearI don't think any are in China this year, so shipping should be a lot easier
stpeterdid someone get reimbursed for shipping the last time?
KevBear did the ordering last year.
stpeteron the phone, brb
KevI'm assuming/hoping he claimed it back.
bearnope - wrote it of as a "donation"
beargoing to give folks a couple of minutes before starting
will.shewardgive us time to read the extensive agenda :-)
bearshall we start?
stpeterfinds http://xmpp.org:5290/muc_log/muc.xmpp.org/xsf/110511/#17:04:21 about the trademark applications
bearyea, I updated the bugs to show the +1's
will.shewardmy feedback : +1
bearsounds like we can declare consensus for those two applications
stpeterI'll process them as "usual" (haven't processed any in a while)
bearKev was going to ask if it's ok to send books to the GSoC Students like we did last year
bearwe send 3 books (IIRC) to each student - would be the same list this year
stpeterwonders what Tobias has done with all of his extra books
bearI"m digging up that list now
Tobiasi'm also +1 on books :D
jackboard meeting time?
stpeterI think it's a good thing to do (sending the books)
KevThe list was TDG, PP and GTD.
KevTobias: Maybe you wouldn't need another set.
bearwhich one is PP
will.shewardhence the question, if theyve already got the titles, shouldn't we send something else?
TobiasKev: it it's that exact set....
beartobias is, I think, the only one who would be getting doubles
jackI really like hte Pomodoro book from pragprog as an altnerative to GTD
KevPP = Pragmatic Programmer.
will.shewardi cant believe there isn't a single person in the woorld who hasn't already got a (signed) copy of TDG
jackas an alternative to PP there is also the passionate programmer or whatever
jackor Code Complete
jackor Coders at Work
Tobiaswill.sheward: +1 on different books :)
jackCoders at Work is a fun one for sure
KevI haven't read any of the ones Jack's named. I picked the above set because they're favourites of mine. If other books have equivalent content and a champion I'm happy.
bearcan everyone send to the mailing list their short list of books and i'll collate and pick the top 3?
jackMythical Man Month is also a classic and a nice read
KevI do have that one.
KevI'm not sure which of the three categories it really fits into, though.
jackit's the theoretical version of GTD :)
Tobiastheoretical...i hear...*boooring* ;)
bearanything else for gsoc book discussion?
beardo we have any other agenda items?
KevAs long as it ends up being a book on XMPP, a book on being a sensible dev, and a book on doing sensible things with time, I'm ok with whatever choices people come up with (as long as they've read them!).
jacki'll shamelessly suggest my book as an alternative to TDG if there is someone who already has TDG :)
Tobiashow about beautiful testing?
KevHonestly, if there was someone doing web stuff I was going to suggest yours instead of TDG Jack.
KevI did go to buy a copy for myself until I saw they wanted something like $40 for a DRMd ebook :)
bearunless someone has another item to cover, we are pretty much done for this meeting
bearbangs the gavel
bearthanks all - next meeting in two weeks - same time
stpetergoes back to the joy that is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xcon-common-data-model-27
bearyou have all the *fun*
bearruns to get minutes to list
KevTobias: I'd be inclined to speak to Remko about Beautiful Testing before requesting it, BTW, in case he has thoughts on the matter.