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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[19:01:06] <stpeter> let's see, the meeting starts in 1 minute?
[19:01:18] <stpeter> once again I neglected to add it to the calendar :(
[19:01:49] <Kev> No minutes I think.
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[19:01:59] <Steffen Larsen> yup.. now
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[19:03:19] <Alex> here now ;-)
[19:03:32] <stpeter> hi Alex!
[19:03:40] <Intosi> Hi, all.
[19:03:40] <Alex> hi @all
[19:03:50] <Neustradamus> hi all
[19:04:03] <akuckartz> Hi (only lurking)
[19:04:05] <koski> Evening
[19:04:29] <Steffen Larsen> Hola!
[19:04:32] <Alex> ok lets start
[19:04:40] *Alex bangs the gavel
[19:05:14] <Alex> you can see teh Agenda here:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2011-06-14/
[19:05:31] <Alex> 1) Call for Quorum
[19:06:00] <Alex> 36 members voted via memberbot, so we acheved a last minute quorum ;-)
[19:06:17] <Alex> we have 66 members
[19:06:28] <Steffen Larsen> ha ha.. lazy us (members)..
[19:06:36] <stpeter> whew, we barely made it
[19:06:48] <Intosi> This is becoming a recurring issue...
[19:06:50] <stpeter> maybe some people skipped 3 voting opportunities... ;-)
[19:06:51] <Kev> Can we name and shame those that didn't vote?
[19:06:51] <Alex> 2) Items Subject to a Vote
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[19:07:16] <Steffen Larsen> they should be broadcasted some IM spam ;-)
[19:07:53] <stpeter> I'm tempted to rewrite memberbot so it sends annoying IM messages to remind you about voting :)
[19:07:54] <Alex> new and returning members, and bylaw changes
[19:08:10] <Alex> you can see all applicants here:
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_April_2011
[19:08:35] <Alex> 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
[19:08:44] <Alex> anybody wants to vote in teh meeting?
[19:08:53] <Alex> if not I start preparing the results
[19:09:03] <remko> prepare away
[19:09:07] <Steffen Larsen> go go
[19:09:57] <Alex> ok
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[19:13:43] <Alex> ok reload the page:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2011-06-14/
[19:13:53] <Alex> 4) Announcement of Voting Results
[19:14:12] <Steffen Larsen> auch a lot of no's..
[19:14:27] <Alex> all new and returning members were accepted, also the proposed bylaw changes
[19:14:45] <stpeter> Steffen Larsen: yeah
[19:14:46] <Alex> Steffen Larsen: there were some very short applications
[19:15:07] <Alex> I guess some members want more info about the applicants
[19:15:11] <Steffen Larsen> Alex: yup.. they got my no's as well..
[19:15:38] <Alex> 5) Any Other Business?
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[19:16:13] <Alex> what can we do to get more turnout?
[19:16:19] <Steffen Larsen> Alex: I was wondering about the next tech review.. last time I proposed a meeting was in november/dec. 2010! :-)
[19:16:29] <stpeter> Alex: I'm going to rewrite memberbot, as I said
[19:16:55] <Steffen Larsen> stpeter: to pop up with the correct local UTC time?
[19:16:57] <stpeter> unfortunately I need to go to another meeting right now, so I'll be AFK for a while
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[19:17:01] <stpeter> Steffen Larsen: that too
[19:17:11] <Kev> stpeter: If people aren't responding to the four? different mails that Alex is sending out to vote, I have to assume it's willful neglect, rather than a lack of awareness, and poking them by IM won't help.
[19:17:17] <Steffen Larsen> stpeter: beautiful!
[19:17:31] <Alex> stpeter: I thought you were kidding, but a new memberbot would be great
[19:17:51] <Steffen Larsen> stpeter: we made a wiki page with ideas for the new bot
[19:18:04] <Steffen Larsen> stpeter: last year I think
[19:18:18] <Florob> Kev, actually, people seem to be struggling with inbox zero a lot (and don't proritise reading lists for some reason). I know one of the people who voted had to be reminded in person
[19:18:20] <stpeter> Alex: I need to do some coding again :)
[19:18:28] <stpeter> anyway, bbiab
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[19:18:38] <Alex> what I see when running the votes is that the people who don't vote normally also don't reapply
[19:18:55] <Steffen Larsen> Alex: good.. those we dont need
[19:19:28] <Alex> so our clause with the 3 missing votes doesn't really help, it only kicks them our 3 month earlier
[19:19:29] <remko> Alex: is there a correlation between those people and the effort they put in their application?
[19:19:50] <remko> maybe we need to remind our members that they have a 'no' button too :)
[19:20:15] <Alex> remko: yes there is
[19:20:16] <remko> or add an extra feature to memberbot asking them something about an application before they can say 'yes'
[19:20:17] <Steffen Larsen> stpeter: maybe a votingbot with dataforms?.. :-)
[19:20:53] <Steffen Larsen> remko: like.. would you really, really vote yes…
[19:21:06] <remko> no, like where does person X work
[19:21:12] <remko> how long has he been member of the XSF
[19:21:18] <remko> anyway, i'm semi joking :)
[19:21:23] <Alex> most of or "long time" members vote always, the others come and go
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[19:22:43] <Alex> anyway, I don't think it helps when we remind them and they finish the voting with only yes votes or random votes when they don't care about it
[19:25:23] <Alex> I think we can
A) raise more interest on the memberlist
B) reduce the quorum in the bylaws
C) Be more strict with our No votes
[19:25:30] <Kev> B isn't helpful.
[19:25:48] <Kev> Given it's just saying that we expect to have a majority of crappy members.
[19:26:29] <Alex> Kev: right
[19:26:47] <Intosi> Kev: agreed.
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[19:27:06] <akuckartz> D) Increase interest in XMPP ...
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[19:27:28] <Intosi> akockartz: don't you mean XSF?
[19:27:35] <Kev> akuckartz: I don't see much correlation there. More interest in the XSF, possibly.
[19:27:44] <Alex> akuckartz: when somebidy joins teh XSF he should be interested at XMPP
[19:27:45] <akuckartz> No, I mean XMPP
[19:28:21] <akuckartz> (But I am only lurking!)
[19:28:54] <akuckartz> Raising interest in XMPP would result in more interest in XSF membership
[19:29:13] <Intosi> I assume XSF members all have interest in XMPP, or they wouldn't be members in the first place.
[19:29:58] <akuckartz> If 200 would apply and 100 would not get enought votes that would not be a problem.
[19:29:59] <Intosi> The thing is that members have only one obligation, which is to vote, and for some reason even that seems to be a bit hard to do for a lot of them, given that we barely reached quorom.
[19:30:03] <Kev> You'd assume they have an interest in the one and only responsibility a member has, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
[19:30:42] <Kev> I suggest we modify the bylaws so any applicant in required to prove that they can spell XMPP before they're eligible.
[19:30:58] <Alex> LOL
[19:31:00] <Kev> This is probably enough effort to act as a barrier to entry for some people...
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[19:32:16] <Alex> Memberbot can ask them 10 questions about XMPP, and they need at least 6 correct answers
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[19:33:06] <Alex> anyway, lets close the official part and discuss this further
[19:33:26] <Alex> 6) Formal Adjournment
[19:33:40] <Alex> I motion that we adjourn
[19:33:45] <Intosi> seconded
[19:33:50] <Kev> thirded.
[19:33:53] <Alex> thanks
[19:33:58] *Alex bangs the gavel
[19:34:50] <Intosi> Thanks, Alex.
[19:35:04] <Kev> Thanks Alex (and others).
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[19:35:41] <Steffen Larsen> Alex: thanks for nice order..
[19:35:56] <Alex> no problem, you're welcome
[19:36:11] <Intosi> Alex: can you fix the hyperlink to the XSF bylaws to point to a sane location, instead of a file on your local computer?
[19:36:19] <akuckartz> Thanks for letting me lurk
[19:36:24] <Kev> http://xmpp.org/xsf/docs/bylaws.shtml
[19:36:24] <Intosi> I don't have file:///D:/Daten/My%20Web%20Sites/Radfalk/xsf/docs/bylaws.shtml
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[19:37:05] <Kev> Although on that topic, we only need 22 people out of 66 for quorum, don't we?
[19:37:20] <Alex> Intosi: yes, fixing now
[19:37:24] <Intosi> I agree, having just looked exactly that up.
[19:38:22] <Alex> Kev: I always thought 50%, but lemme check the bylaws
[19:38:29] <Kev> 1/3.
[19:38:40] <Intosi> So 36 out of 66 voted.
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[19:41:07] <Alex> Intosi: fixed
[19:41:14] <Intosi> TA
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[19:42:20] <Alex> Kev: you are right section 3.8 :-$
[19:43:00] <Intosi> Still, 30 out of 66 couldn't be bothered with voting...
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[19:50:36] <Kev> Impressive, I think.
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[19:52:11] <Kev> I wonder what would happen if we were to add a "Would you like to give up your XSF membership? Please vote Yes or No" as the last question of the memberbot :)
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[19:52:29] <Kev> (Given the propensity for voting Yes to everything)
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[19:52:56] <Intosi> Hmm, you might fool a few people.
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[20:02:54] <dwd> Oh. See, I looked at the calendar and thought I'd read 2000Z, hence now...
[20:04:15] <MattJ> dwd, join the club ;)
[20:04:30] <Kev> Hey, you both voted. Welcome to the elite 50% of the club.
[20:04:47] <MattJ> Heh
[20:05:02] <Intosi> We could make t-shirts ;)
[20:05:23] <dwd> Intosi, Hopefully not like the last lot.
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[20:05:33] <MattJ> "I voted for no change."
[20:05:56] <Kev> "I paid with a 20"
[20:06:05] <Intosi> dwd: better not let Will make them, then.
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[20:06:23] <dwd> Intosi, Mmmmm.... Green....
[20:06:38] <Intosi> Puke, the lost colour!
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[20:08:29] <dwd> I like Kev's suggestion for a final question, though.
[20:08:49] <Kev> dwd: Flawed because the people we really need to eject won't be voting anyway.
[20:09:30] <Kev> dwd: Not including the list of non-voters in your mail? I'm disappointed.
[20:09:30] <Tobias> Kev, won't they be ejected anyway after three votes or so
[20:09:52] <Kev> Tobias: Yes, but that does mean they only have to type ~=12 words a year to maintain their membership.
[20:10:37] <dwd> Kev, I was tempted, but I can't find an up to date list of the members.
[20:10:46] <Kev> Well, there is a list on the site, is it not current?
[20:10:57] <dwd> Tobias, If you miss 3 votes, it's in time to reapply the next time.
[20:11:02] <Kev> (http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-member-list/ )
[20:11:04] <dwd> Tobias, Hard to see what you lose out on.
[20:11:41] <Florob> MattJ, waqas, what did you assume my T-7 meant :)
[20:11:46] <dwd> Kev, Ah, I'd looked at the date on the bottom.
[20:11:54] <Kev> That was last updated 2011-02-01, which suggests it's current.
[20:11:57] <MattJ> Florob, which T-7? :)
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[20:12:19] <Florob> MattJ, prosody@ about 7 min before the meating...
[20:13:07] <MattJ> Florob, oh, it was short and shortly succeeded by a long question from a user, didn't even notice it
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[20:16:19] <Intosi> dwd: apathy, or perhaps because people didn't see it as a problem, yet.
[20:16:44] *bear is confused
[20:16:51] <bear> is this the members meeting?
[20:16:57] <Kev> That was 75mins ago.
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[20:17:10] *bear sighs
[20:17:17] <dwd> bear, And yes, you're not the only one confused by the time.
[20:19:26] <Kev> Christopher Zorn is Tofu, isn't he?
[20:19:32] <Tobias> yeah
[20:19:44] <Kev> Zooldk?
[20:19:45] <dwd> I think so. I can never remember which way around the Zornados are.
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[20:20:34] <Kev> I'm trying to work out who didn't vote.
[20:21:01] <Kev> It looks at the moment like we even have Council and Board members failing to vote.
[20:21:09] <Tobias> ahh..are we getting a pillory on the xmpp.org frontpage? :D
[20:21:35] <dwd> I did notice that, but I wasn't 100% sure, and the problems of naming and shaming and then being wrong are not worth considering, I think.
[20:21:38] <MattJ> dwd, did you ever each with the wrong name at dinner? If not, I win :)
[20:21:42] <MattJ> *address each
[20:22:02] <dwd> MattJ, I avoid talking to them for that precise reason. :-)
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[20:22:26] <MattJ> The problem is, they explained to me, and I couldn't swear I wouldn't do it again
[20:23:37] *bear goes to the work meeting that he creatively skipped to attend this one
[20:23:48] <waqas> Kev: I missed the vote. I'd like to apologize for that. I was hoping to vote in the meeting, but joined as it had just ended.
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[20:24:25] <Intosi> waqas: that's why you're not kicked off as a member if you miss only one vote. Accidents happen.
[20:24:41] <remko> not as long as dwd's not in charge
[20:24:57] <MattJ> Then accidents won't happen?
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[20:25:19] <Intosi> It always looks like an accident if you missed a vote with dwd :D
[20:25:41] <Kev> I have a list of 32 people not matched up to emails that voted, and 2 emails that I couldn't match, so it's close.
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[20:26:28] <Kev> If I was more confident I'd not made a mistake, I'd name/shame :)
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[20:27:03] <waqas> I'd be +1 to naming and shaming, particularly repeat offenders, as this is the one thing we are supposed to do as members.
[20:27:40] <dwd> Just having a vote count would be enough. Then members have the information when it comes to reapplying.
[20:28:39] <waqas> By the way, there's one thing about voting that annoys me: I feel that my voting no to anything would never make any difference, as most would vote yes to everything.
[20:28:43] <dwd> BTW, I've not looked at the results, but I assume the membership voted yes to everything and everyone?
[20:28:53] <Kev> dwd: Pretty much, yes.
[20:29:03] <dwd> waqas, Heh. Exactly as I implied, yes.
[20:29:12] <dwd> Kev, Only "pretty much"?
[20:29:20] <Kev> Well, someone voted against me ):
[20:29:48] <dwd> Kev, That was me.
[20:29:52] <Kev> Boo.
[20:30:38] <dwd> Actually, I voted when the bot came up, so I can't honestly remember who was standing, let alone how I voted.
[20:30:47] <Kev> I voted first!
[20:31:00] <Kev> At least, I think the lists Alex sends out are reverse chronological.
[20:32:00] <MattJ> I used to think so, but something once made me not so sure, my entry appeared where it oughtn't have
[20:32:14] <Kev> Maybe it's not, then.
[20:32:15] <dwd> MattJ, As the bishop said to the actress.
[20:32:42] <Kev> Oh, I miscounted.
[20:32:50] <Kev> *Two* Council and one Board didn't vote.
[20:33:04] <Intosi> Wow.
[20:33:38] <Intosi> Any repeated offenders there?
[20:33:56] <Kev> dwd: re: voting yes - I earlier suggested having a "Would you like to give up your membership? Please vote Yes/No" as the last question on memberbot.
[20:34:06] <dwd> Kev, This I saw.
[20:34:08] <remko> haha
[20:34:10] <dwd> Kev, And agreed with.
[20:34:13] <waqas> +1 to that ^^
[20:34:18] <Kev> Ah, did you? I missed that.
[20:34:57] <dwd> Kev, I *think* it'd even be possible to place on the voting tally, I need to examine the bylaws.
[20:36:19] <waqas> I was thinking more of inserting a fake applicant (HAL, but then I do think HAL an XSF member...), but this works too ^^
[20:36:43] <waqas> *do think HAL should be
[20:36:56] <MattJ> Oh, I'm fairly sure he'd get in
[20:37:00] <dwd> waqas, I discussed putting in a joke application a year or so ago.
[20:37:22] <dwd> waqas, But I decided it was self-defeating as a way to make people take it more seriously.
[20:37:45] <Kev> I wonder if I could persuade my wife to apply.
[20:37:46] <Intosi> MattJ: and we could make him vote and reapply automatically, as well, so he wouldn't be kicked off due to a technicality ;)
[20:37:56] <Kev> Simply put "I'm Kev's wife" in her application and see what happens.
[20:38:19] <MattJ> Intosi, :P
[20:38:20] <Intosi> Well, she would get in, simply because she's a woman.
[20:38:22] <Kev> Intosi: And once you can code that, perhaps you could start on a wetware version.
[20:38:37] <Intosi> Kev: the perfect member :P
[20:38:48] <Intosi> That sounds even worse when I read it back.
[20:38:56] <dwd> I was just thinking that.
[20:39:08] <dwd> Context, gentlemen!
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[20:44:41] <Kev> waqas: I'm looking at the list at http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2011-03-16/ and can see you did vote there, so we believe you about it being an accident :D
[20:44:47] <Kev> There are a number of repeat offenders, though.
[20:45:25] <waqas> Kev: I think this was the first time I missed it :)
[20:45:50] <Kev> I don't think I've missed one yet, but I'm sure it'll happen at some point. I'm insufficiently organised for it not to.
[20:45:56] <remko> dito
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[20:48:29] <dwd> I've missed one, I think. And I'm sure people do, from time to time. It's just that 30 people can't all be missing it in good faith.
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[20:48:47] <stpeter> wow, I see you guys have been busy :)
[20:49:48] *dwd passes stpeter a beer
[20:49:58] <dwd> I think it's that kind of an evening. :-)
[20:50:03] <Intosi> Indeed.
[20:50:07] *stpeter is juiced up on coffee at the moment
[20:50:21] <Intosi> I had my share of beer this weekend, so I'll grab a glass of water instead.
[20:50:31] <waqas> By the way, who do I poke to get memberbot sources?
[20:50:32] <stpeter> one quarter of an iced coffee is more caffeine than I typically consume in a month
[20:50:49] <stpeter> waqas: memberbot sources are jealously guarded because they are so icky
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[20:51:10] <waqas> stpeter: I would like to have a look. I promise not to rant about it in public.
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[20:52:06] <stpeter> waqas: really I should put it into git
[20:52:28] *stpeter checks the source
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[20:52:39] <dwd> stpeter, Do they still contain your code?
[20:52:44] <waqas> I've been asked a number of times for an XMPP based voting thingy by random people. I was thinking of writing one with both an XMPP and HTTP frontend. Just thought I should look at memberbot to see all that it does.
[20:53:31] <dwd> waqas, Well, the memberbot code is simpler because it doesn't need to handle the "no" case.
[20:53:54] <stpeter> waqas: memberbot is a big hack
[20:54:09] <stpeter> dwd: yes, I think so, although it's been rewritten somewhat
[20:54:40] <MattJ> stpeter was struck by lightning one day, sat at a computer, typed a lot of code, and memberbot was born
[20:54:59] <MattJ> ...or that's how I heard it
[20:55:05] <Intosi> Sounds about right.
[20:55:11] <waqas> stpeter: I was just thinking I'd make my implementation have all the memberbot features at a minumum, and suggest using that the next time voting happened.
[20:55:55] <Intosi> I'm off. Good $PART_OF_DAY to you all.
[20:55:55] <stpeter> gosh I wrote memberbot so long ago I can't even remember
[20:56:04] <stpeter> Intosi: tot ziens!
[20:56:05] *dwd rather likes having stpeter's code running the XSF.
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[20:56:17] <Kev> MattJ: The way I heard it, Peter wrote memberbot and then was struck by lightning as punishment. YMMV.
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[20:56:42] <stpeter> waqas: I'd prefer to use x:data than all these texty messages, although the latter is easier for (some) humans
[20:56:43] <Kev> [Disclaimer: I've never seen the code, AFAIK]
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[20:57:06] <stpeter> before releasing any code I need to check a few things with Alex, who has been running the code for the last few years
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[20:57:22] <stpeter> I haven't been the Secretary for some years now
[20:57:35] <stpeter> but really the code should be open-source for transparent voting :)
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[21:02:12] <stpeter> ok, Alex is offline so I've emailed him about it
[21:02:21] <waqas> Thanks
[21:02:25] <stpeter> but I will try to get memberbot into a git repository this week
[21:02:33] <stpeter> then we can start working on memberbot2 :)
[21:02:38] <stpeter> in Lua, naturally ;-)
[21:02:43] <waqas> ^^
[21:02:44] <remko> i was going to say that :)
[21:02:58] <Kev> Swiftob!
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[21:03:14] <remko> yeah, use Lua on Swiften, and everyone's happy ;-)
[21:03:33] <stpeter> :P
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[21:15:29] <Neustradamus> I added last meeting on http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/
[21:15:52] <Kev> Thanks.
[21:16:31] <stpeter> yes, thanks Neustradamus
[21:16:59] <dwd> Right. Nighty-night, all.
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[21:17:57] <Neustradamus> Kev, stpeter :)
[21:20:46] <Neustradamus> I have a liittle request, it is possible to see for a "system" for post messages on jabber/xmpp/xsf identi.ca accounts and maybe twitter one day?
[21:21:43] <stpeter> what kind of system?
[21:22:05] <stpeter> I poked the iteam about setting up a bot for that, but maybe I can work on that bot, too, while I'm working on the new memberbot :)
[21:22:14] <stpeter> brb
[21:22:54] <Neustradamus> stpeter: It will be excellent ;)
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[21:36:25] <Neustradamus> after, about the website, I have 2 requests again, if one person can be do this :) Kev ?
about the XSF image (http://xmpp.org/images/xmpp.png) it is possible to add this on the theme pages ?
example: http://xmpp.org/ at right
under: "The XSF relies on voluntary donations from members and the help of our sponsors to continue to promote XMPP, please visit our sponsor pages and/or click on the Donate button to help support the XSF."

example: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/ at right
under:
"The XMPP Standards Foundation is an independent, nonprofit standards development organization whose primary mission is to define open protocols for presence, instant messaging, and real-time communication and collaboration on top of the IETF’s Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP)."
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[22:46:58] <Neustradamus> At the bottom:
We can add:
Copyright © 2001/2007-2011 XMPP Standards Foundation

Why not jabber.org too (not same).

I think this when I visited http://gnu.org/ (there is a ©)
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