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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[16:02:09] <dwd> 3600 second warnings of impending meetingness sent...
[16:03:09] <stpeter> :)
[16:04:58] <Kev> Oooh, ooh.
[16:05:12] <Kev> If I don't turn up, I can be rhombus :D
[16:05:45] <Kev> Or a rhombus, I guess.
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[16:51:13] <Florian> moo
[16:51:44] <stpeter> hi Florian
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[16:52:03] <Florian> hey @ all :)
[16:52:30] <dwd> Kev, Depends on your reading of equilateral.
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[16:53:30] <Kev> Equilateral polygons are those whose sides are all of equal length, are they not?
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[16:53:45] <dwd> Oh, I suppose.
[16:53:57] <dwd> I should re-nick for proper naming.
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[16:54:04] <Kev> An equilateral quadrilateral is a rhombus, and a regular rhombus is a square.
[16:54:09] <stpeter> hi cchris434
[16:54:14] <cchris434> hello
[16:54:39] <Dave Cridland> Kev, So, "Regular equilateral quadrilateral", then?
[16:55:19] <Kev> Or just 'regular quadrilateral', as I believe regularity subsumes equilatirality.
[16:55:24] <Kev> Hoorah for making up words.
[16:55:35] <Dave Cridland> That's why you get the PhD.
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[16:55:56] <Kev> That and I wrote a thesis about samosas.
[16:56:01] <Dave Cridland> 6 minutes to go, and we're all here.
[16:56:07] <Dave Cridland> That's progress.
[16:56:17] <Dave Cridland> bear, You *are* here, right?
[16:56:29] <bear> cchris434 - if you can, add your blurb to this wiki page: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/the-xsf-board-of-directors/
[16:56:58] <cchris434> yes, I had sent one in--I just add directly to the page
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[17:00:55] <Dave Cridland> I have the power of Greyskull!
[17:01:18] *bear bangs the gavel for the last meeting of 2011 and first of 2012
[17:01:23] <stpeter> cchris434: if you don't have an account at xmpp.org I can create one for you
[17:01:55] <cchris434> yes, thanks, I might need one
[17:02:08] <stpeter> ok
[17:02:11] <stpeter> will do
[17:02:45] <bear> so, only agenda item is welcoming the new board and deciding meeting times, electing of chair?
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[17:03:41] <bear> :)
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[17:04:16] <Dave Cridland> I think technically we have to appoint all the officers, not just the Chair.
[17:04:25] <Kev> Indeed.
[17:04:41] <Dave Cridland> (According to §6.1)
[17:04:49] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: let's chat about that
[17:05:13] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, I'm rather hoping you're willing to continue, along with everyone else.
[17:05:39] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: I don't know if the very first meeting is the best time to do that -- last year I suggested to the Board that they do that in, say, January, once they have a bit of knowledge about the organization, bylaws, etc.
[17:05:52] <Dave Cridland> I can go along with that.
[17:06:14] <Dave Cridland> So we just elect a Chair?
[17:06:30] <bear> and decide a meeting schedule - yep
[17:07:23] <Dave Cridland> Right. What first, then? Should we pick a chair so we have someone who decides what to do next? :-)
[17:08:09] <bear> while I enjoyed the time as chair, I feel my work schedule is becoming even more crazy, so don't know if I can focus on Chair duties as I should - so I won't be standing for Chair again unless no one else wants it ;)
[17:08:19] <Dave Cridland> I'm happy to do it.
[17:08:29] <bear> and I'm happy to +1 your request
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[17:08:41] <bear> anyone else feel strongly about being chair?
[17:09:02] <Dave Cridland> Or, for that matter, feel strongly about me not being chair?
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[17:09:14] <stpeter> Ashley / cchris434 / Florian ?
[17:09:16] <bear> well, I was trying to not be that blunt for a first meeting
[17:09:18] <Ashley> no
[17:09:20] <cchris434> sounds good to me
[17:09:30] <Florian> I'm ehre :)
[17:09:31] <Ashley> since i'm new, i might go rogue
[17:09:46] <Dave Cridland> Ashley, I went rogue years ago. The worst thing is that nobody noticed.
[17:09:55] <Ashley> lulz
[17:10:19] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: I noticed but decided not to mention it
[17:10:19] <bear> ok, then - I nominate Dave for Chair position (if that is even required?) - second?
[17:10:36] <Dave Cridland> Does anyone not on the board have any strong (negative) opinion about me being chair? It's the best time to mention it if you do, and I'd rather this was taken into account now.
[17:10:36] <Florian> +1
[17:10:43] <Ashley> +1
[17:10:46] <bear> +1
[17:10:49] *Kev mutters something.
[17:10:49] <cchris434> +1
[17:11:06] *bear tightens the muzzle on Kev till after the first meeting is done
[17:11:34] <bear> ok, assuming +1 from Dave - we have a 2012 board chair
[17:11:43] <Dave Cridland> RIght, well, I'll take that as no strong objections from those present, and accept the role, thanks.
[17:11:45] *bear hands the gavel to Dave
[17:12:02] <cchris434> congrats
[17:12:08] <Dave Cridland> So, I guess welcome to the 2011-2012 XSF Board.
[17:12:14] <Florian> :)
[17:12:15] *stpeter consults the recall provisions in the bylaws
[17:12:19] *bear golf claps
[17:12:32] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Majority of the members.
[17:12:48] <stpeter> BTW, Board members might want to take a look at http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-bylaws/ in their copious spare time
[17:12:58] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Oh, or maybe a majority vote of a quorate meeting, I should actually check.
[17:13:27] <stpeter> I think Dave Cridland will make a fine Board chair, given that he uses words like 'quorate'
[17:13:39] <Florian> haha
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[17:13:52] <stpeter> so, is this a fine time for meetings?
[17:14:01] *bear has updated the wiki page
[17:14:01] <Florian> WFM
[17:14:07] <Dave Cridland> OK. So I can be removed as Chair at any time by the Board, and removed from the Board by a majority of the members.
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[17:14:20] <Dave Cridland> SO, this is not a fine time for meetings, because it clashes with the XMPP Council.
[17:14:34] <Florian> hmm, an hour later?
[17:14:52] <stpeter> oh, that's right, the Council moved
[17:15:01] <Kev> Or 30mins, I heard the Council Chair doesn't like long meetings :)
[17:15:17] <bear> hour later is troublesome for me because of the majority of the mozilla folks are west coast and *love* morning meetings
[17:15:31] <Florian> ah, right
[17:15:35] <stpeter> I can do earlier
[17:15:55] <Dave Cridland> I'm going to be a bit stuck if it's 1730UTC every week. I can also do earlier - 1630UTC?
[17:15:59] <bear> 30 min earlier works - I like the idea of a tight deadline to focus meetings
[17:16:08] <cchris434> earlier is probably better for me, but understand that we can't do it too early on the East Coast because of time differences
[17:16:29] <bear> being one of the east coasters, earlier is preferred
[17:16:37] <cchris434> agreed
[17:16:56] <Florian> ok
[17:17:17] <Ashley> should be ok with me to do earlier
[17:17:40] <Dave Cridland> Ashley, WHat timezone are you? MST or PST?
[17:17:48] <Ashley> MST
[17:17:50] <bear> are we looking at 1600 UTC now or 1630?
[17:18:03] <Florian> both WFM
[17:18:24] <Dave Cridland> bear, 1630UTC, so 9:30 am MST, 8:30 am PST, 11:30 am EST.
[17:18:30] <bear> +1
[17:18:32] <Dave Cridland> (Assuming I have my timezone maths right)
[17:18:39] <stpeter> WFM
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[17:19:00] <Florian> sounds good
[17:19:07] <Dave Cridland> OK, I'll call that a decision.
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[17:19:19] <cchris434> sounds good to me as well
[17:19:31] *bear edits meeting wiki page
[17:19:32] <Ashley> +1
[17:20:02] <stpeter> BTW, folks can subscribe to the calendars at http://xmpp.org/calendar/ -- I just use xsf-all.ics but YMMV
[17:20:12] <Dave Cridland> OK. So, I think that consludes everything we set out to discuss.
[17:20:26] <Florian> when is the next meeting?
[17:20:28] <Florian> next week?
[17:20:47] <bear> TBH i've hidden the xsf-board calendar - it always was just a dup of the xsf-all
[17:21:39] <stpeter> next week works for me
[17:21:41] <bear> next week works for me - I feel we need to get one more in before the holidays consume us
[17:21:58] <Dave Cridland> Let's work on the assumption that we have a meeting every week, but we'll cancel it if there's nothing on the agenda.
[17:22:07] <bear> +1
[17:22:09] <Ashley> yep, i should be good for next week too
[17:22:14] <cchris434> WFM
[17:22:36] <Dave Cridland> Is there any other business to discuss now?
[17:22:49] *bear isn't aware of any
[17:22:56] <Florian> not from ehre
[17:22:59] <Florian> not from here
[17:23:21] <Ashley> fwiw, i've got a call next week with our marketing person to discuss sponsorship of the dev challenge/hackathon
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[17:23:45] <Florian> cool :)
[17:23:52] <Dave Cridland> Okay, that's interesting - Mike, did you raise this with the Mozilla people yet?
[17:24:11] <Florian> we also need money for the dinner :)
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[17:24:16] <bear> i've sent out the first emails but need to follow up with some IRC poking
[17:24:38] <bear> the fosdem person is travelling so I am stalking them
[17:25:11] *bear adds action item for himself for next week's meeting
[17:25:24] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Might be worth opening the sponsorship page on that.
[17:25:41] <Florian> hmm, yeah
[17:25:42] <stpeter> bear: yes I need to follow up on those emails, I'm slammed this week with IESG madness
[17:25:56] <bear> asheley, cchris434 - are these jid's your normal ones - I want to send sub requests
[17:26:15] <cchris434> yes
[17:26:21] <Ashley> you can use either asroach at cisco.com or aroach at gmail.com
[17:27:40] <Ashley> or both :)
[17:27:48] <stpeter> heh
[17:28:31] *Dave Cridland sends sub requests.
[17:28:37] <bear> sent
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[17:30:09] <Dave Cridland> OK. So I think I move to adjourn.
[17:30:18] *stpeter goes back to reviewing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics/
[17:30:26] *bear seconds
[17:30:28] *Dave Cridland bangs the shiny new gavel.
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[17:30:56] <bear> \o/
[17:31:15] <stpeter> if someone updates the ical file, say so and we'll push it to the web
[17:31:27] <stpeter> oh heck I'll do that now
[17:31:33] <bear> :)
[17:31:37] <Dave Cridland> stpeter, Thanks.
[17:31:42] <Florian> thx :)
[17:31:58] <stpeter> so December 7 at 16:30 UTC
[17:32:07] <bear> yep
[17:32:14] <stpeter> done
[17:32:35] <bear> dave - do you want to send out the meeting minutes email or shall I?
[17:32:38] <Florian> ah, my apologies
[17:32:40] <Dave Cridland> I can.
[17:32:43] <Florian> I won't be able to make that
[17:32:57] <Dave Cridland> *Now* you tell us?
[17:32:57] <Florian> as I've got a dinner meeting with Sarkozy
[17:33:04] <Florian> normally 16:30 is great
[17:33:08] <Florian> just not next week :D
[17:33:12] <Florian> forgot about that
[17:33:20] <Florian> I'm in Paris from Tuesday -> Saturday
[17:33:26] <bear> leWeb?
[17:33:31] <Florian> yeh
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[17:33:54] <Ashley> Florian: fancy!
[17:34:05] <stpeter> Florian: I suppose dinner with Sarkozy is an acceptable excuse
[17:34:15] <Florian> I'll try and pop by via mobile
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[23:42:07] *** Dave Cridland shows as "xa" and his status message is " (Not available as a result of being idle more than 15 min)"