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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[14:47:56] <ralphm> dwd: around?
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[16:28:55] <dwd> ralphm, Sorry, yes, but managed to miss that one somehow.
[16:29:55] <ralphm> heh
[16:30:16] <ralphm> we should probably start making a list of all proposed presentations and demos
[16:35:09] <dwd> ralphm, Yes, we've suddenly got rather a lot more demos than we did.
[16:36:03] <dwd> Oh, and I meant to reply to Peter Waher - I'm a little worried about a presentation about the company, rather than the tech, at FOSDEM.
[16:40:04] <dwd> Can somebody check the following doesn't sound too aggresive or anything?
[16:40:16] <dwd> On Fri Jan 13 10:44:00 2012, Peter Waher wrote:
> If there's a slot available, we'd like to hold a presentation of ourselves and the work we do together with companies like Cisco Germany in the field of sensor networking and IoT (Internet of Things), as well as a presentation of what we have done and our aims/goals in the field of XMPP, as related to:

Before I begin, I may have completely misunderstood, and if your output is all open-source then most of this won't apply to you.

My only concern with demos is that we are at FOSDEM, and as such the demos need to concentrate on the technical use of XMPP rather than the companies using it, and really involve open-source as much as possible.

I'm pretty sure that the FOSDEM organizers understand that XMPP is not exclusively open-source, but we need to ensure that the balance is very much skewed that way, and we need to ensure that we're being very technically focussed.

I do sympathize - I'd really love to discuss all the funky stuff that Isode is doing in the XMPP space - at least, the things I can talk about - but the nature of FOSDEM is hugely limiting for projects and companies that are not (very) open-source - this is no fault of FOSDEM, it's simply that FOSDEM is for Free/Open-Source software, and we need to respect that and keep aligned with it as much as is feasable.

So I (in my Isode guise), like you, will be looking to figure out a demo which downplays the closed-source bits, and concentrates on the open-standards and/or open-source parts of what we do. (My talk has nothing at all to do with Isode, in fact).

Given that the Interop day (on Friday) seems to be going slow, we could have some less constrained talks about what attendees are doing, if there's interest (in listening as well as talking, of course).

Dave.
[16:40:24] <dwd> (Sorry for the wall'o'text)
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[16:43:13] <dwd> Anyone?
[16:43:43] <Zash> Done reading. Sounds ok I think.
[16:43:56] <dwd> OK, thanks.
[16:44:28] <MattJ> +1
[16:50:25] <ralphm> +1
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[20:00:42] <Neustradamus> have you read japanese messages ?
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[20:07:33] <stpeter> yes, I saw them but haven't read them yet
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[22:25:45] <ralphm> stpeter: thanks for working on those lists
[22:26:00] <ralphm> stpeter: it would be great to have an overview of what we have for the lounge
[22:27:05] <ralphm> stpeter: We should also figure out how to get needed hardware for the loungy concept itself
[22:28:28] <ralphm> Do you think we should maybe paste my e-mail into the wiki page?
[22:30:51] <stpeter> ralphm: sure thing
[22:31:15] <stpeter> I will try to get some projectors and screens from the Cisco offices in Diegem
[22:31:55] <stpeter> we had some discussion about this stuff during the Board meeting on Wednesday, and we plan to hold another meeting next Wednesday, see http://xmpp.org/calendar/ for the .ics file :)
[22:32:17] <stpeter> I need to log off here for a bit, but I'll be back later
[22:33:16] <ralphm> Oh, I missed that
[22:33:26] <ralphm> I'd like to send an update to the fosdem team
[22:33:33] <ralphm> so they have a more solid idea
[22:33:48] <stpeter> indeed
[22:34:14] <stpeter> Florian is following up with some incubator project in Brussels about comfy chairs
[22:34:21] <stpeter> etc.
[22:34:30] <stpeter> but pasting your email into the wiki is a good start
[22:34:34] <ralphm> Ah. I'm finding notes
[22:34:53] <stpeter> cool
[22:34:54] <stpeter> brb
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[22:38:29] <ralphm> Also I just joined the pubsubhubbub w3c group. Evan Prodromou and Julien Genestoux want to organize a meeting of some sort in Brussels. Maybe that's interesting.
[22:38:51] <Kev> It is if they drop that silly HTTP stuff and use XMPP :)
[22:39:03] <ralphm> Kev: hah
[22:39:16] <ralphm> Kev: become a member, too
[22:39:49] <Zash> Kev +1
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[22:40:14] <ralphm> Kev: seriously though, I believe both have a place. For one thing, hybrid solutions are surely a way forward.
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[22:41:11] <Kev> Nope, XMPP is the One True Protocol.
[22:41:14] <Kev> Email over XMPP.
[22:41:16] <Kev> HTML over XMPP.
[22:41:21] <Kev> DNS over XMPP.
[22:41:26] <ralphm> if you strip out half of the current pubsubhubbub concept and replace the 'publish' part with XMPP, that's a big win.
[22:41:29] <Zash> IP over XMPP
[22:41:32] <Kev> And there's absolutely no chance I'm being flippant.
[22:41:35] <Kev> Zash: Absolutely.
[22:41:35] <Zash> ... wait, we have that already
[22:41:43] *Zash pokes mod_tcp
[22:43:34] <Zash> Ethernet over Link-Local XMPP!
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[22:45:51] <stpeter> :)
[22:45:55] <stpeter> gotta run, bbl
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[23:05:24] <ralphm> cya
[23:05:33] <Kev> GN.
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