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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[09:24:57] <goffi> g'day
[09:26:36] <Kev> Morning.
[09:27:00] <kevin> Good Morning
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[16:33:56] <Ashley Roach> hola!
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[16:36:39] <stpeter> hey
[16:36:55] <Kev> Af'noon.
[16:36:56] <stpeter> (sorry, on the IETF Tools Team call so a bit distracted)
[16:39:49] <Ashley Roach> no worries, i miraculously paid attention to my calendar, and so i was able to attend in time :)
[16:39:53] <stpeter> not sure if our Chair is available
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[16:41:33] <Neustradamus> Hi all, I have a new remark :D
It is possible to change:
"This is JUser -- a mailing list for end users
of Jabber clients."
=>
"This is JUser -- a mailing list for end users
of Jabber/XMPP clients."
[16:42:19] <stpeter> Neustradamus: fixed
[16:43:12] <Neustradamus> stpeter: thanks :)
[16:43:12] <Kev> I think Dave isn't going to be available, judging by his comments in other MUCs.
[16:43:13] <stpeter> well, I'm still on the phone, but here's where I think we are on FOSDEM/Summit
[16:43:27] <stpeter> we need to finalize the speaker list / schedule
[16:43:39] <stpeter> I might have time to work on that later today or tonight, but probably tomorrow
[16:43:51] <stpeter> we need to submit it to the FOSDEM folks by the 21st
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[16:44:09] <stpeter> I now have credentials to use their tool to do this (previously only Ralph had credentials)
[16:44:20] <dwd> Back, sorry. Was expecting to have been back a little earlier.
[16:44:21] <stpeter> so that's the most pressing concern
[16:44:37] <stpeter> Florian is following up about real-time lounge furniture and such
[16:44:48] <dwd> We also have t-shirts to worry ourselves over.
[16:44:49] <stpeter> we need to organize the lounge a bit more seriously
[16:45:18] <dwd> Yes - we have a fair number of demos and people, but we're lacking in equipment, furnishings, etc.
[16:45:33] <Neustradamus> stpeter: in the same time:
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[16:45:57] <stpeter> I still need to follow up on some of the equipment
[16:46:16] <stpeter> Neustradamus: we're having a meeting right now, could you wait about posting further little nits?
[16:46:31] <Neustradamus> stpeter: yes ok!
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[16:47:38] <stpeter> Neustradamus: but I fixed that bug :)
[16:48:03] <dwd> I *think* our major problem is going to be furnishings rather than equipment. I've a feeling that we can find projectors and suchlike if not from Cisco, then from somewhere.
[16:48:27] <dwd> And worst case we can do without anything beyond a few laptops, as long as the place looks the part.
[16:48:28] <Neustradamus> stpeter: ok ah, I discover a lot of bugs :D
[16:48:35] <stpeter> I did reserve rooms at the Cisco office but I need to follow up with people in Diegem to find out exactly what they've assigned to us, plus I need to order lunch
[16:48:58] <stpeter> dwd: Florian was following up about furnishings but I've not heard more about that
[16:49:57] <dwd> On the t-shirts front, I think I can sort out t-shirts, the tricky bit is that our current pricing includes VAT - I believe we can avoid VAT (although as we're selling in the EU, it's not 100% clear), but it's not very clear how.
[16:50:39] <stpeter> dwd: I think Will might have insights, since he ordered the shirts last time (or the time before, I can't recall)
[16:50:48] <dwd> The hooded T's which I thought would be awesome have been discontinued, they've offered us a good rate on actual hoodies, but it's tighter than I hoped - especially if we can't get out of VAT.
[16:50:57] <dwd> stpeter, I think possibly both times.
[16:51:28] <dwd> stpeter, And yes, I shall seek advice, I sometimes talk to Will anyway.
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[16:52:15] <dwd> stpeter, But I suspect that having the XSF issue a purchase order will, likely, come into it somewhere.
[16:53:34] <dwd> stpeter, Oh, and I think we may actually have too many talks, now.
[16:54:04] <dwd> Pulling some onto Friday could be a reasonable option.
[16:54:13] <dwd> (Depending on the audience).
[16:54:36] <dwd> I can also shorten mine, if it's put after the Bowser ID chap.
[16:55:10] <Kev> dwd: Was your intention with the Peter/Remko/Kev talk to be Q&Aish, or 101ish?
[16:55:13] <Kev> Or something else entirely?
[16:55:28] <dwd> I was anticipating a kind of mud wrestling thing.
[16:55:43] <dwd> No, really, I was hoping for a 101ish thing.
[16:56:26] <dwd> I was hoping to handle the Q&A "Ask The Experts" thing by having a question or two as speakers change over.
[16:56:54] <dwd> But my main concern with the talks currently is that we have a very tight schedule, now, and no slack whatsoever.
[16:57:25] <stpeter> (sorry, got interrupted)
[16:57:27] <dwd> Going by previous years, we will simply never get to FZ/JS's talk, for instance.
[16:58:40] <stpeter> dwd: yes, I think we might want to push some talks to Friday
[16:58:49] <stpeter> dwd: e.g., mine :)
[16:58:56] <dwd> I was going to suggest yours.
[16:59:10] <Kev> Talks to XMPP people, instead of talks selling XMPP, can probably be moved.
[16:59:14] <stpeter> so I will look at that after the IESG telechat tomorrow, or tonight if I can finish my telechat prep today
[16:59:20] <stpeter> Kev: exactly
[17:01:02] <dwd> My "Welcome" chat is basically fluff to cover your setup, BTW - "Look, MSFT and Skype do XMPP now! Join the XSF! There's the RTL!".
[17:01:19] <stpeter> yep
[17:01:22] <stpeter> so I think we'll be fine
[17:01:27] <dwd> So I'll do that over the top of people walking in, and once the room's settled hand to you guys.
[17:01:50] <stpeter> I notice that the FOSDEM folks say "you might want to schedule a break so people don't get too tired"
[17:01:58] <stpeter> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/devroom-managers/2012-January/000005.html
[17:02:05] <Kev> I hadn't seen that, but had thought that.
[17:02:12] <dwd> Yeah, we scheduled some web talks when everyone can leave. ;-)
[17:02:18] <Kev> An hour off for lunch would make things much better.
[17:02:33] <dwd> Also provides a slack point to get back onto schedule.
[17:02:38] <stpeter> dwd: yes
[17:02:42] <Kev> Quite.
[17:03:20] <dwd> Oh, reminds me - I had discussed with Florian about ensuring that a sandwich run happens for the guys at the stand. (ie, someone dashes down to the cafe and grabs enough sandwiches and drink for the helpers there).
[17:04:12] <stpeter> dwd: yes, that's important
[17:04:24] <stpeter> so when shall we schedule the break?
[17:04:27] <Kev> Do we have plans about manning the stand?
[17:04:42] <stpeter> Kev: in the works :)
[17:04:48] <Kev> Jolly good.
[17:04:49] <stpeter> I've been focusing on the devroom first
[17:05:25] <stpeter> I think it would be best to have people sign up for shirts at the lounge
[17:05:30] <stpeter> instead of hoping that folks show up
[17:05:36] <stpeter> er
[17:05:36] <dwd> Shifts.
[17:05:38] <stpeter> shifts
[17:05:39] <stpeter> yeah
[17:05:46] <stpeter> doing too many things at once here :)
[17:05:52] <dwd> I had to parse that twice before it made sense. :-)
[17:06:48] <stpeter> sorry :)
[17:07:02] <dwd> So - other than furniture - I think we're good.
[17:07:12] <stpeter> at least on track
[17:07:19] <dwd> Right.
[17:07:23] <stpeter> I'll add an RTL sign-up area to the wiki page
[17:07:29] <dwd> I was being slightly more up-beat than that.
[17:07:40] <dwd> Oh, Dinner sponsorship - I do know we're on track there as well.
[17:07:51] <Kev> Yay :)
[17:08:19] <dwd> Last I heard, we were breaking even. But then again, not all the Isode folk have signed up yet...
[17:08:33] <Kev> I have!
[17:08:37] <stpeter> when do the stands open?
[17:08:43] <dwd> iono.
[17:08:46] <stpeter> ok
[17:08:48] <stpeter> will find out
[17:08:57] <stpeter> might also be 11, but could be earlier
[17:09:54] <dwd> For the RTL, we need both reasonable coverage of demos through the day, and also general staffing, and "XMPP Expert" staffing, too.
[17:10:04] <dwd> The latter two can mix.
[17:10:13] <stpeter> http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/days indicates the start time might be 09:00
[17:10:20] <stpeter> dwd: good point
[17:11:54] <dwd> OK. Anything else to go over?
[17:12:22] <stpeter> not today, I think
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[17:13:08] <dwd> OK. I'll be about (in here) tomorrow to thrash out the talk schedule.
[17:13:46] <dwd> Thanks all, then.
[17:15:14] <Ashley Roach> thanks!
[17:16:56] <stpeter> dwd: thanks
[17:17:10] <stpeter> dwd: I have the IESG telechat in the morning tomorrow but after that I'll be free
[17:17:24] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/FOSDEM_2012#Help_at_the_Real_Time_Lounge updated with volunteering opportunities :)
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[17:20:45] *ralphm waves
[17:21:44] <ralphm> stpeter: did I mention I have credentials for filling in the schedule at the FOSDEM site?
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[17:23:59] <stpeter> ralphm: no, but yaloki told me and I have credentials now, too
[17:24:04] <ralphm> stpeter: heh
[17:24:12] <ralphm> I haven't been keeping up with things
[17:24:29] <ralphm> the list of demos for the RTL seems a bit thin
[17:24:44] <stpeter> ralphm: I think we're doing well on the talks, just need a bit of culling and further organization
[17:24:47] <stpeter> ralphm: indeed
[17:24:56] <stpeter> ralphm: I'm about to post to summit@ about that
[17:25:38] <ralphm> What about how the RTL is dressed up?
[17:25:44] <ralphm> Any news on that?
[17:26:19] <stpeter> Florian was pursuing that, but I don't have news
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[17:30:02] <ralphm> I'd be more than happy to be your alternate on sunday, btw
[17:31:09] <stpeter> ok :)
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