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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[10:17:02] <dwd> .
[10:21:23] <dwd> For the black t-shirts, do we want "I think, therefore IM" again, or do we want something new?
[10:24:44] <dwd> "All talk, all action"? "Because we need to talk"? "Abusing XML since 1999"?
[10:28:14] <Kev> "I think, therefore IM" was a decent pun.
[10:31:51] <dwd> True enough. Just wondering whether we wanted something different.
[10:34:27] <Kev> If we have something better or equivalent, sure.
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[14:43:04] <dwd> Hoodies designs: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/straight.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/curved.png http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/bordered.png
[14:43:19] <dwd> Any preferences?
[14:44:01] <Kev> Is orange on grey the scheme we're going for?
[14:44:25] <Kev> I'd probably go for bordered of those.
[14:45:40] <dwd> I'm not absolutely wed to orange on grey. But the dark grey is probably the safest colour (aside from black) and the orange looks pretty good against it. The other logo colours don't look as good, IMO.
[14:46:40] <Kev> It seems reasonable. Albeit surprising.
[14:46:50] <dwd> Surprising?
[14:46:51] <Zash> Is it print/vinyl/whatsitcalled
[14:47:00] <Zash> lots-o-stitches
[14:47:02] <Kev> dwd: I was surprised.
[14:47:10] <Kev> Zash: Embroidered is the word.
[14:47:18] <dwd> Print. Rather than, say, embroidered or anything.
[14:47:58] <dwd> Kev, These hoodies are in addition to the t-shirts.
[14:48:21] <dwd> Kev, And they're all going to end up on my credit card, BTW, so I *really* hope this works out. :-)
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[14:50:17] <ralphm> dwd: that looks awesome. Does the place where you are having this done have pictures of similar hoodies?
[14:50:48] <dwd> http://www.hoodyworld.co.uk/prod5.asp?ID=308&offset=&prod_id=137&grpid=137&#prod_anchor
[14:50:56] <dwd> (I'm pretty sure I'll use this place)
[14:51:16] <ralphm> I mean with embroidering
[14:51:17] <Kev> And why on earth aren't we choosing Fuchsia?
[14:51:22] <ralphm> Kev: heh
[14:51:27] <Kev> Oh, or Almond - that's similar to the very successful colour from the other year.
[14:51:58] <dwd> Kev, Similar - we couldn't repeat that colour as they're all out of "slightly sick-stained off-white"
[14:52:28] <Kev> I rather liked that particular shirt, I don't know why everyone else hated it.
[14:52:38] <Kev> It was nice to have something non-black for a change.
[14:52:42] <dwd> Kev, I do hope you like them because at the moment, you'll be carrying around 30 or so to Belgium.
[15:07:16] <dwd> Florian wanted better spacing: http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/hoodie-fixed.jpg
[15:07:31] <Kev> Looks fine to me.
[15:07:32] <dwd> He's now complaining the rotation isn't quite right.
[15:07:44] <Kev> I thought that, but also decided it didn't matter.
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[15:14:48] <ralphm> hehe
[15:15:28] <dwd> Sod it, I'm happy with it.
[15:16:02] <ralphm> can I reserve an M?
[15:16:18] <dwd> €15?
[15:16:58] <ralphm> dwd: that works for me
[15:17:20] <dwd> M's are worth ordering, I'm only getting 10 or so.
[15:17:49] <ralphm> dwd: lot's of skinny dudes there
[15:18:02] <ralphm> lots too
[15:18:05] <dwd> But they'll buy L's. L people cannot buy M's.
[15:18:13] <dwd> And even I'm an L.
[15:18:29] <ralphm> I'm taller, but still prefer M
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[15:54:02] <dwd> stpeter, What's the formal address for the XSF? (I need the t-shirt place to invoice the XSF in the hope that we might be able to claim back the VAT some day).
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[15:54:35] <dwd> Oh, and designs for t-shirts and hoodies on http://dave.cridland.net/t-shirt/finals/
[15:57:16] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/participate/contact-us/
[15:57:30] <dwd> Brill, ta.
[16:00:05] *stpeter is prepping for the IESG telechat in ~30 minutes and might not be very responsive for the next 3 hours
[16:00:35] <Zash> 3 hours...
[16:00:36] <Zash> woah
[16:00:44] <stpeter> yeah
[16:00:47] <dwd> Zash, Yeah, must be a short one.
[16:01:03] <stpeter> after this I'll have 4 more "formal" telechats, yay
[16:01:08] <stpeter> they're actually 2.5 hours
[16:01:19] <stpeter> but I'm prepping right now
[16:01:21] <ralphm> stpeter: on that contact page, it mentions 'XSF Council' with a non-working link
[16:01:32] <stpeter> ralphm: noted
[16:01:54] <Zash> http://xmpp.org/404-page-is-still-broken ;)
[16:03:00] <ralphm> oh and dwd: don't use the address from the RFCs, they have a typo in them :-D
[16:03:41] <ralphm> (which reportedly only a Dutch guy would spot)
[16:03:41] <stpeter> plus it's XMPP Council, not XSF Council
[16:03:48] <ralphm> right
[16:04:13] <stpeter> fixed that at least
[16:04:49] <ralphm> I'm still a bit amused about the 8 char local-part limit in cisco e-mail addresses
[16:05:30] <stpeter> yeah, I love that
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[17:05:42] *dwd gets ready to spend £1,680 on t-shirts and hoodies.
[17:05:51] <Zash> £
[17:05:56] <Zash> :D
[17:06:21] <dwd> Roughly €2,000.
[17:07:23] <dwd> I suspect we'll do well on the hoodies, if I can get the design right (I arsed up the EPS, it seems), and we should do OK on the t-shirts (given we sold out last time with this design).
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[17:13:07] <ralphm> yay
[17:15:11] <dwd> When I say "we", I mean "me". :-)
[17:15:24] <dwd> But I imagine we'll sort it all out post-facto.
[17:31:52] <ralphm> if not, you get to keep the profits, right?
[17:42:51] <Ashley Roach> how many t-shirts is that? 100?
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[17:44:45] <Zash> Where there leftovers from last year?
[17:44:53] <dwd> 200, and 100 hoodies.
[17:45:01] <Zash> The ones with <presence/> on them?
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[17:45:20] <dwd> Zash, We had leftovers from the ones we failed to give away last year, which were leftovers from the previous year.
[17:45:28] <Zash> :D
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[17:47:29] <Ashley Roach> that's a healthy amount of shirts!
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[18:18:58] <dwd> Ashley Roach, It is.
[18:20:35] <dwd> Ashley Roach, But we know that if t-shirts are sold at €5, they're in impulse-buy territory in FOSDEM. I *think* that we may be unique in hoodies, and those hoodies we can sell at €10 without a loss. In practise, we'll probably take a walk around and pick a low price, likely €10 and €15, which ought to cover losses but still sell the majority.
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[19:28:02] <Kev> Why do we sell t-shirts at FOSDEM? (Not rhetorical)
[19:35:55] <stpeter> because everyone else does?
[19:36:12] <stpeter> I don't feel a strong need to sell t-shirts at FOSDEM
[19:36:21] <stpeter> I don't feel a strong need to be at FOSDEM, either, though
[19:36:45] <Kev> Personally, or the XSF?
[19:37:11] <stpeter> the XSF
[19:37:58] <stpeter> I mean, it's nice to reach out to developers, but we've never measured the return on investment for FOSDEM in terms of developers on XMPP projects, new XMPP applications, etc.
[19:38:36] <Kev> Right. The summit is productive, for some measure of productivity.
[19:38:44] <stpeter> I think so
[19:38:47] <Kev> But FOSDEM itself doesn't seem so much.
[19:38:49] <stpeter> for some measure
[19:38:52] *stpeter nods
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[19:50:47] <MiGri> hi
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[19:51:12] <stpeter> hi MiGri
[19:52:40] <MiGri> me just reads "hoodies"... may there a way to get one of these without participating FOSDEM?
[19:53:07] <stpeter> :)
[19:53:10] <stpeter> probably
[19:53:24] <stpeter> in the past we've only sold these at FOSDEM, OSCON, etc.
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[19:54:59] <MiGri> I don't see at the moment that I can join one of these events
[19:55:04] <stpeter> yeah
[19:56:25] <MiGri> too much work, too much family (we got a second foster child last summer)
[19:56:31] <MiGri> ;)
[19:56:45] <stpeter> wow, yes you must be very busy!
[19:58:49] <MiGri> ;)
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[20:33:55] <dwd> MiGri, The proplem with selling them to you would be shipping, actually.
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[20:34:13] <MiGri> hmm... indeed
[20:34:31] <dwd> In fact, shipping generally is my major concern with them now.
[20:34:55] <MiGri> maybe another german member come to FOSDEM and can take me one here (or ship it in germany)
[20:40:16] <dwd> MiGri, Or I can send you the artwork and you could get one printed yourself. :-)
[20:41:00] <dwd> Actually, I wonder if we could do something with selling these on one of those websites that print to order.
[20:41:00] <MiGri> That is not really the same ;)
[20:41:12] <MiGri> What do they cost anyway?
[20:41:39] <dwd> Our cost? £7.
[20:42:22] <dwd> Which is an awesome price, I have to say.
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[20:53:42] <Zash> Sans VAT?
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[20:54:29] <MiGri> hmm... I just need someone from germany, who is joining FOSDEM and take me one to germany...
[20:54:55] <MiGri> dwd: indeed. nice pice
[20:55:20] <stpeter> MiGri: you can ask on the summit@ list, but I know that at least Florian Zeitz and Jonathan Schleifer will travel from Germany to Brussels for FOSDEM
[20:55:49] <MiGri> ok
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[20:58:15] <MiGri> ah. both from aachen. thas nearby, as I'm living in cologne
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[21:29:58] <dwd> Zash, Yes, that's before VAT, true.
[21:30:31] <dwd> They're €10.08, with VAT and in Euros.
[21:31:01] <Zash> still pretty good
[21:31:21] <dwd> Right - we have a €5 markup, basically.
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[21:39:51] <stpeter> nice, I just received a Greek spam message to mailto:draft-ietf-xmpp-3920bis@tools.ietf.org :)
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[21:46:54] <dwd> I AM THE NEPHEW OF THE RECENTLY ASSASSINATED PRESIDENT. I HAVE BEEN GIVEN YOUR NAME AS A TRUSTWORTHY MAN. I HAVE 300 XMPP T-SHIRTS WHICH I NEED TO TRANSFER TO YOUR COUNTRY. CAN YOU HELP?
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[22:00:42] <stpeter> well, actually it starts with "Φρέσκα φρέσκα νέα από το αγαπημένο σου φροντιστήριο….." = "Fresh Fresh News From Your Favorite School" :)
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[23:00:52] <ralphm> dwd: mine: I've known you website for ages, strictly speaking from year 2009. I found interesting your publication "Curriculum VitC&" which I googled on http://ralphm.net/cv ! I'd love to use it in a project I'm involved with called "Armenian FCW Science", so I'm seeking your permission for translation to Armenian language.
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[23:04:13] <stpeter> hrm, I will need to work on the devroom schedule tonight
[23:07:00] <ralphm> stpeter: note that the deadline is only for part of the information that can be entered into pentabarf, as they need the info to fill the booklet
[23:07:02] <ralphm> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/devroom-managers/2012-January/000005.html
[23:10:13] <stpeter> ralphm: yes
[23:10:40] <ralphm> are you shuffling things around?
[23:10:57] <stpeter> probably :)
[23:11:15] <stpeter> I'll work up a revised schedule tonight and you guys in Europe can review it in the morning -- does that work?
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[23:46:08] *** ralphm shows as "xa" and his status message is "Zzzzz"
[23:55:14] *** jef shows as "away" and his status message is " (Away as a result of being idle more than 5 min)"