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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[16:25:29] <dwd> Ashley, Afternoon.
[16:25:41] <Ashley> hey there!
[16:26:28] <dwd> Zash, Reading the history - yeah, I really need to find the time to post about that stuff in a sane way. Maybe even write a XEP or two for the easy bits.
[16:27:14] <Zash> k :)
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[16:29:15] <Zash> I'll look forward to that then
[16:30:35] <dwd> bear, About?
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[16:30:47] <Florian> hello guys!
[16:30:53] <Florian> just got home in time :D
[16:30:56] <dwd> Florian, Hiya.
[16:31:26] <dwd> I think that counts us as quorate. But agenda-less - I've been on the road nearly constantly since last week's meeting, actually.
[16:31:56] <Florian> I think one topic is GSoC update ... which should be quite quick
[16:33:09] <dwd> Kev, Have you got anything to say on GSoC?
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[16:33:56] <Kev> We've applied.
[16:34:01] <Kev> We should keep improving the ideas list.
[16:34:08] <Kev> That's about it right now.
[16:34:11] <dwd> Any movement on that since last time?
[16:34:18] <dwd> (The ideas list, I mean)
[16:34:27] <Kev> We've got a number of ideas there.
[16:34:42] <Kev> Peter chased Gajim and got some ideas there (although one's inappropriate).
[16:35:32] <Florian> I chased the Tigase guys, but it looks like they won't have any spare ressources to take on mentees
[16:35:34] <Kev> The next step, if we're accepted, is to sort out teaser tasks.
[16:35:59] <Kev> Current community thought on this is that they're a jolly good thing.
[16:36:19] <Kev> (Swift used them last year, after nickingthe idea from other projects in previous years)
[16:37:09] <dwd> Should the XSF itself add anything? Like maybe use GSoC resource to make a start on the testing/conformance stuff we've talked about in years past?
[16:38:24] <stpeter> I'd be more comfortable with that idea if we had at least something to start from
[16:38:45] <stpeter> BTW, I could probably get ISOC funding for that project
[16:39:08] <dwd> Ah, that might be interesting. Is there anything else the XSF ought to be doing at this stage?
[16:39:29] <Kev> dwd: I don't think so.
[16:39:31] <stpeter> dwd: however, again, I'd want to make sure we could follow through on it
[16:39:38] <Kev> I don't think we should encourage new projects.
[16:39:39] <dwd> stpeter, Yes, quite.
[16:39:59] <Kev> If the XSF can't managed to get started on the project itself, it can't effectively mentor it, IMHO.
[16:40:17] <dwd> Kev, Seems reasonable.
[16:40:23] *stpeter nods
[16:40:48] <dwd> OK, so I think that covers things for now.
[16:41:06] <dwd> Is there anything else people want to discuss?
[16:41:27] <stpeter> someone never posted the Brussels report :(
[16:43:13] <dwd> Yes, that's true.
[16:43:27] <stpeter> have we seen any follow-up on the web/xmpp integration stuff?
[16:43:51] <dwd> No, we haven't, and that is mostly my fault - I should write up my thoughts and kick things off.
[16:44:16] <stpeter> well, I was thining also of Simon, Sonny Piers on websocket, etc.
[16:44:32] <stpeter> I will have time to work on the websocket stuff in April
[16:44:40] <dwd> Yes, it's not exclusively my fault...
[16:44:55] <stpeter> but those aren't board topics, I suppose
[16:45:36] *bear gets out of one meeting and....
[16:45:40] <dwd> In as much as they spawn from a more general failure to follow through on the SUmmit...
[16:46:05] <stpeter> I do think it would be great to get involved with ISOC for various reasons, so perhaps we can brainstorm on the members@ list about possible projects and how to make those happen instead of just talking about them :)
[16:46:32] <dwd> stpeter, Yes - how does their funding actually work?
[16:47:14] <stpeter> dwd: they have grants of some kind, I've basically been promised money if I can come up with a proposal
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[16:48:16] <dwd> stpeter, Sounds promising, if a little vague. :-) I'm pretty sure there are things we could be usefully doing if we had the money to promote them.
[16:48:35] *stpeter edits the FOSDEM 2012 report at xmpp.org
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[16:49:39] <stpeter> dwd: I can provide more details, but I think the gating factor is the lack of confidence that we can effectively manage such a project since we've not had great success with code projects in the past
[16:51:40] <dwd> This is true - solving that problem is probably not very easy as long as we're trying some very grand ideas.
[16:51:50] <dwd> (Like an interop test suite that does everything)
[16:51:59] <stpeter> nod
[16:52:39] <Kev> Or anything.
[16:52:46] <stpeter> or something :)
[16:52:58] <dwd> Maybe a good first step would be to take that server list code that's been kicked about, and gradually add some tests to that.
[16:53:06] <stpeter> another thing for me to think about in my Post-IESG Lifeā„¢
[16:53:21] <stpeter> what is the server list code?
[16:53:26] <dwd> I think it does some basic DNS/SRV tests as it is, and enhancing something is *much* more likely to happen than starting something from scratch.
[16:53:38] <dwd> stpeter, That one mentioned on operators@.
[16:54:09] <stpeter> ah right
[16:55:07] <dwd> But anyway, I think that's something we could discuss elsewhere - anything else we need to discuss here?
[16:55:33] <stpeter> I don't have anything else
[16:55:46] <stpeter> I need to send out the invoices and receipts, will do that tomorrow
[16:56:42] <dwd> OK, so in that case, motion to adjourn [etc].
[16:56:52] <dwd> And thanks to those present.
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[16:57:19] <Kev> Now we see how many Board members are still awake :)
[16:57:30] <Kev> Or whether anyone notices if it's me that seconds.
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[17:01:35] <Ashley> thirds!
[17:01:59] <Ashley> :D
[17:05:04] *stpeter finally writes that damn Brussels report
[17:05:41] <stpeter> but quickly, I have a lot to finish today before the IESG telechat tomorrow
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[17:23:33] <Zash> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2008-March/018186.html
Sounds like you mostly just trade bandwith costs for code complexity and local storage costs.
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[17:30:56] <stpeter> finally: http://xmpp.org/2012/03/fosdem-2012-report/
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[17:34:10] <Zash> \o/
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[18:32:32] <ralphm> Zach: I think the thing is more that council wasn't convinced the gains would be big enough. Also, I think you'd need to have a tight schema for EXI to work efficiently.
[18:32:50] <ralphm> Zach: that seems problematic for general XMPP traffic
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[18:33:07] <ralphm> oh
[18:33:09] <stpeter> heh
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[18:33:17] <stpeter> Zash, that is, yes :)
[18:33:25] <ralphm> him too
[18:33:29] <stpeter> I've learned more recently that there are two forms of EXI
[18:33:31] <stpeter> heh
[18:33:41] <ralphm> oh
[18:33:43] <stpeter> one is called something like schema-strict
[18:33:53] <stpeter> where you need to know all the schemas ahead of time
[18:34:05] <stpeter> which could be a challenge with an extensible payload format :)
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