XSF Discussion - 2012-05-04


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  63. Florian T-2m
  64. MattJ I just have to tell you that I reconnected just then
  65. MattJ 198 is so good, but it needs a big announcement every time someone reconnects, to show how well it works
  66. Zash T+5m ?
  67. dwd Sorry, my fault, entirely distracted.
  68. dwd So we have 4/5 board members. Excellent. Hi guys.
  69. bear waves
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  71. dwd First off - GSoC - bear/Florian - I think you were going to have a chat about getting Stuff to Students?
  72. bear yes, I have 2 of 7 addresses - I need to switch to grumpy bear mode to get more addresses
  73. bear and then we figure out who can ship to where when
  74. dwd bear, Postal addresses, you mean?
  75. bear yes
  76. dwd bear, OK. And you and Florian and Kev are happy with what to send them?
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  78. bear I believe it's the same book list as before plus tshirts
  79. bear makes a note to confirm that via list
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  81. dwd We have some t-shirts to send them?
  82. bear adds that Q to the list
  83. dwd (I mean, aside from the ones locked in the depths of Cisco Diegem)
  84. bear I think it's the cisco shirts, was not aware that they are a physical challenge level 3 to retrieve
  85. dwd So, as a proposal, why don't we get the books shipped as we get the addresses, and then we can sort out t-shirts later? The shipping will be different in each case anyway.
  86. bear sounds like a plan
  87. dwd bear, You need a +4 Access Card Of Cisco to get at the t-shirts. ANd they'll all need shipping from Diegem anyway.
  88. bear then definitely handle later
  89. dwd OK.
  90. dwd Florian, Ashley - Happy with ship-as-we-go for books?
  91. bear I would like to get some shipped to US for oscon - so that could be discussed soon
  92. Ashley +1 seems like the most reasonable approach
  93. bear k, action item for next board meeting: report on shipped and to be shipped books
  94. dwd Righty. ANything else for GSoC?
  95. Florian +1
  96. dwd I'll take that as a no.
  97. bear gsoc is in an odd period - a lot will happen after the first deadline approaches
  98. bear right now it's "oh my, I got accepted"
  99. dwd So... SHall we move onto XSF sponsoring development of Crazy BrowserID-onna-XMPP Thing?
  100. bear +1
  101. Florian +1!
  102. dwd Florian, Is that all you're going to say this meeting? :-)
  103. Florian -1
  104. Florian :p
  105. Ashley sure sounds good
  106. Florian so, I think there's enough interest from the membership to support us doing this?
  107. Ashley is this the wrong venue/time to ask about scalability of said concept?
  108. dwd So, the - very vague - proposal is that we - the XSF - spend Actual Money™ to push for a demonstratble implementation of BrowserID using XMPP.
  109. MattJ Ashley, from a technical perspective?
  110. Ashley yeah
  111. Florian dwd: correct
  112. Ashley i'm in favor of spending Actual Money to support this
  113. Ashley just curious about server infrastructure that could support 100M+ users
  114. Florian Ashley: federation :)
  115. Florian and Flosoft servers :D
  116. MattJ aka. XMPP :)
  117. Ashley yeah yeah :)
  118. bear dwd - my concern is getting the process in place so we can see projects that want/need money and have a selection process
  119. bear things go really squirrly when money is involved
  120. MattJ +1
  121. Florian I'd say we should define a "pot" of money
  122. bear bounty style then?
  123. Florian and ask for RFPs for an amount between X and Y
  124. dwd bear, Right. My concern is that we also need to spec out the project, and divide it into sane chunks we can stick bounties on.
  125. bear then we need levels and criteria for acceptance
  126. bear we should plan a face-to-face hack session to work that out
  127. bear IMO
  128. bear listens to the sound of everyone rushing for the door
  129. dwd Is there anyone present who feels they could write out the specification?
  130. waqas Could we get some pointers to the existing BrowserID spec and code?
  131. dwd That is, write out the RFP-level spec, not the standard required (which is a whole different thing).
  132. Zash waqas: It's on github
  133. MattJ dwd, I'd volunteer, but something makes me think someone else might be better for the task right now ;)
  134. Zash https://github.com/mozilla/browserid/
  135. bear waqas - that info is available on github and I can introduce anyone to the moz people
  136. dwd Hmmm. Actually, slightly different question. Who here is interested in actively managing the project?
  137. Florian dwd: ah, I'd be happy to do that, but I'd appreciate some pointers from more technical people
  138. Florian why not just have a Wiki page to draft something like that?
  139. Florian for the management of the project ... I'm free from the 16th onwards
  140. MattJ Seems sensible, we do other stuff that way
  141. dwd OK, so we'll kick things off that way.
  142. Ashley Florian, dwd, i'm happy to try to help, tho i've never written an rfp before
  143. Florian great :)
  144. bear let's start the wiki page then, list some early milestones and just start iterating
  145. Ashley i've been on the receiving end of them, of course :)
  146. Florian bear: sounds good
  147. bear we can meet often to find out if the wiki has become ready to merge to an RFP
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  149. Ashley at a high level, are we trying to get members of Mozilla or XMPP community to "bid" then?
  150. Florian I'd say XMPP first
  151. bear I would love it to be XMPP first
  152. Florian as we want to push XMPP adoption
  153. bear but that is easily solved for anyone - they can join
  154. Florian but if we write our RFP intelligently, it will require XMPP
  155. Florian and then if Mozilla codes stuff, even better
  156. Ashley k, timeline is probably an important consideration, when would we want responses
  157. bear we need to use xmpp as the implementation example
  158. Florian and yeah, XSF Membership can be a tie breaker
  159. Florian should we say we want an RFP ready by end of may?
  160. bear mozilla is already writing xmpp based js
  161. dwd Florian, At the latest, I'd have thought.
  162. bear end of may means we need milestones and an outline by middle of next week
  163. dwd Florian, What do you think the chances of getting some additional cash pledged from industry is?
  164. bear if we have a sane outline and plans, I can push hard for moz to help with this
  165. Florian dwd: good question ... I can go out and investigate
  166. Florian bear: Mozilla has cash :)
  167. bear but without a plan, i'm tilting at windmills
  168. dwd Florian, I think that's a task made for you.
  169. dwd MattJ, Can you contribute technically to the RFP/Plan?
  170. Florian yeah, once we have an RFP draft, and some goals set for this "project", we can go out and get some munies
  171. MattJ dwd, sure
  172. bear sounds like we have enough folk to iterate on the wiki already present
  173. Florian http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/BID-RFP
  174. dwd OK. SO I guess we want that close to complete by end of next week?
  175. Florian ok
  176. Ashley ok
  177. Florian should we maybe schedule a MUC cramming session sometime this weekend / monday (bank holiday here)
  178. Florian at least I think it's a bank holiday here :/
  179. Florian Early May Bank Holiday
  180. bear these other details should go to the list
  181. Florian yeah
  182. Ashley i might be able to do about this same time tomorrow
  183. Florian personally I'd prefer it to be sunday or monday, so that people have some time to notice the mail on the list
  184. bear yea, I have a colo move downtime for tomorrow - i'll be at the computer :/
  185. bear but yea, put it out on the list - it's a wiki, work can be 24x7
  186. Florian true
  187. Florian so tomorrow, same time .. a MUC session for people who are interested in talking BrowserID RFP
  188. dwd Yes, a further MUC bashing session sounds sensible. We should also probably announce the intent to proceed on this wider than just the members list.
  189. Florian yeah, jadmin + jdev?
  190. dwd Possibly standards@ as well.
  191. Florian and maybe poke some people at Mozilla ?
  192. dwd Maybe the blog?
  193. Florian yeah, standards as well
  194. Florian sure, I can write a blog post
  195. bear write the blog - I can point to that on the internal moz sites
  196. Florian awesome.
  197. Florian and once we have an RFP, the Board can decide on what pot of money we want to open up
  198. Florian and then accept ideas
  199. dwd Yeah - anyone any views of how much we should be /need to be spending?
  200. MattJ I'd say we should spec it out first
  201. Florian yeah
  202. MattJ and decide money after :)
  203. dwd OK, I'm fine with that.
  204. Florian the way I've run some competitions here with money was that once the ideas are in, they have a request for X amount
  205. dwd Primarily because it suggests we've reached the end of this discussion, for now.
  206. Florian and depending on that, we either fund it in full or get back to them and offer them something else
  207. bear :)
  208. Florian yeah, I think we're good for now
  209. dwd OK. SO MUC session tomorrow?
  210. Florian yup, it's in my calendar
  211. Florian same place, same time
  212. MattJ wfm
  213. bear we are just over the 30 minute mark - good time to adjourn?
  214. Florian +1
  215. dwd Yup, let's adjourn.
  216. dwd Thanks everybody.
  217. bear thanks all
  218. Florian cheers all ... I'm off to the pub
  219. MattJ Thanks
  220. bear is off to lunch
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  222. dwd is off to help his son pack for his Scout camp.
  223. Ashley k, ttfn
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  228. Ashley dwd, any chance we can do 30 mins earlier tomorrow? realized i have to shuttle kids to soccer game.
  229. dwd Ashley, I'm free all weekend (wife and daughter off for the weekend, and son off on camp too!), so I'm easy.
  230. Ashley k, i see Florian dropped, will see if i can snag him
  231. Ashley hmm, i don't have him on my roster, what's his IM?
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