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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[16:11:02] <Jef> Kev
[16:11:09] <Jef> I did understand your email
[16:11:16] <Jef> what do you mean by AOL>
[16:11:17] <Jef> ?
[16:11:43] <Kev> "Me too"
[16:14:06] <Jef> oh
[16:14:25] <Jef> I went to urban dictionary and it says: Ass on lips
[16:14:29] <Jef> or something like that
[16:15:46] <Jef> Kev, I think the forwarding mechanism should be clear enough so that other protocols won't have their own version of what the forwarding mechanism should do
[16:16:30] <Kev> I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:16:37] <Jef> forwarding messages is easy, forwarding IQ is not intuitive
[16:18:51] <Kev> I still don't follow.
[16:19:02] <Kev> Forwarding an IQ is no harder than forwarding a message.
[16:19:40] <Jef> maybe it is a forged stanza, maybe IQ is false
[16:20:03] <Jef> in that case we want to tell the other person that we are answering a forward IQ
[16:20:20] <Kev> You can't answer a forwarded IQ.
[16:20:20] <Jef> so that if he says that he don't know what we are talking about
[16:20:57] <Jef> yea, you are right I used the wrong words
[16:21:18] <Jef> when we reply to the requested information to the original sender
[16:21:53] <Kev> You mean that A sends B an iq, B forwards to C and C replies to A?
[16:22:05] <Jef> yes
[16:22:11] <Kev> Right, you can't do that.
[16:22:23] <Jef> why?
[16:22:42] <Jef> so does it has to go through B to get to A
[16:22:44] <Kev> iqs are full jid to full jid
[16:22:59] <Kev> If you reply with a different full JID it's not going to work.
[16:23:11] <Jef> ha
[16:23:15] <Jef> so does it has to go through B to get to A
[16:23:23] <Kev> It depends what you're trying to do.
[16:23:40] <Jef> just answer the requested information in the IQ
[16:23:52] <Jef> B doesn't have that information so it asks C
[16:23:55] <Kev> But why do you want forwarding to do that.
[16:24:09] <Jef> because A doesn't know C
[16:24:16] <Jef> B doesn't have that information so it asks C
[16:24:19] <Kev> Right.
[16:24:24] <Kev> You don't need forwarding for B to ask C.
[16:24:50] <Jef> hmm...
[16:25:22] <Jef> yea thats right
[16:25:30] <Kev> There may be rare situations in which forwarding an iq might make sense, but none come immediately to mind and there's no sensible way to address imaginary requirements in any sensible manner.
[16:25:56] <Kev> If there's a new protocol that needs iq forwarding, it will need to explain what the semantics are.
[16:26:12] <Kev> Just like any protocol forwarding messages will need to explain what the semantics are.
[16:26:23] <Jef> yep, thanks that's much clear now
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