XSF Discussion - 2013-01-03

hey ashley

one more hour, no?

correct

hi all

Hey Florian.

howdy

Hi

Good greebling to one and all.

wow we may actually have quorum

:)

Madness

what's the plan for the summit hotel?

I think you should definitely get a hotel.

I was personally quite happy with the last one -

Aloft.

Simon: someone said the travel was a bit inconvenient

florian - go ahead and start the meeting

cools

Travel and ENOBACON

I would like to officially request warmer weather this year!!!

haha

at the moment it doesn't look too cold

Yeah, I think it was quite nice (modulo breakfast), but also being out of the centre gave us, I thought, a bit of a village atmosphere - I think a lot of useful chatter happened in the evenings and so on.

I personally didn't have a problem with it for Cisco. That said it was closer to the FOSDEM venue.

ok, so I've been in touch with some hotels today

and got 3 offers

I don't know if you guys remember the Best Western in the centre

(the bunker one)

Dave: that's a good point

Chambres : 12 chambres Date : du 30.01.2013 au 03.02.2013 – 4 nuits Prix Spécial : € 129 la chambre single par nuit au lieu de € 330 par chambre par nuit (Net) € 159 la chambre double par nuit au lieu de € 350 par chambre par nuit (Net) Ces prix sont net, TVA, et petit-déjeuner buffet inclus. Ces prix excluent € 8 City Tax par chambre par nuit.

Each quote in a different language...

haha

so it's 129€ for a single room

Buffet breakfast included. I didn't stay there, no opinion. (And no say, since I'm not coming this year).

and then I got 2 quotes

one for the Meridien and the ALoft

the Aloft works out about 70pp sharing a twin room.

LE MERIDIEN BRUSSELS (5*) Aankomst: 30 januari 2013 Vertrek: 03 februari 2013 Kamers: 10 singles Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer: Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 229 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 129 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen ALOFT BRUSSELS SCHUMAN (3*) Aankomst: 30 januari 2013 Vertrek: 03 februari 2013 Kamers: 10 singles Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer: Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 169 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 79 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

which means the ALoft is the cheapest

really, aloft was fine with me

+1

a bit cheesy, but hey :)

the ALoft was quite fun

a bit more of a community feeling than the others

maybe I'm just not hip enough :P

with the bar and the Wii

Florian, is it worth looking at minibus rental or anything, to mitigate the travel?

I was about to write just that, Florian.

Florian, Although preferably not with you driving.

haha

For me it's really just travelling the one day-

I could do some driving, if needed.

the question is ... minibus from / to?

let's settle the hotel issue first...

yeah

Florian, I meant FOSDEM <-> ALoft.

any reason to not go with aloft since it's 1) known and 2) affordable

is a minibus during rush hour really going to be quicker?

Simon: unlikely

bit it's weekend

Simon, Convenience as well as speed, though.

so it's fine

I presume the minibus is to get to Cisco?

Minibus is not big enough for everyone though

or how small are we talking?

the other issue is parking

for Aloft to FOSDEM a taxi at Euro 5pp seems fine to me.

Right, I was assuming shuttle from FOSDEM rather than transit to Diegem.

oh, the public transit is fun, though

I think we are overthinking this.

I agree

I'd say, Minibus is too complicated

so for Hotel ... ALoft?

I'm down.

+1 aloft

Simon, Surely you're up if you're aloft?

:)

alright

I'll get that sorted tomorrow then

giving Saskia a call :)

right ...

Minibus issue done?

Florian: yes

next up .. Dinner

given the Summit is now on Thursday / Friday

Yes, good point.

I was thinking, let's do the dinner still on Saturday after FOSDEM

I think people will still be there for the Saturday

I would think so, yes

Except people will be leaving Sunday, and it's a useful way to break the ice.

the alternative would be Thursday

anyone only going to the summit will not be present sat night

I'd lean toward having it earlier (ie, Thursday).

(I know I won't be)

ok

I'll see if we can do Thursday evening then

Same place, I assume?

I don't mind

easiest place to sort

I think there'd be riots if you picked anywhere else.

:)

It's a tradition.

hehe

and very good.

Break one parameter a year, no more than that.

alright ... then we just need to find some sponsors :)

let's not do everything differently now that bear gets to come :p

Lance: :)

so if anyone knows anyone willing to sponsor, tell them to give me a shout :)

:D

alright, I'll sort that tomorrow as well

Florian: I have some ideas about people we can poke :)

great :)

As do I.

we should do a short blog post about the details once they are settled

bear: yep

will do

I'll get those details confirmed tomorrow

florian - poke &Yet about the dinner

:)

anything else on the dinner?

nope

Do they do delivery?

haha

Dave Cridland: not to Wales, I'm afraid

you would need to sort a courier

Dave Cridland: only to London :D

I'll drop a parcel from the plan as I fly over london

+e

bear, You won't fly over Wales, though. :-(

I could try, but I think the airline would frown on the method

bear: toss it at an angle

What's the plan for the realtime lounge?

so, similar to next year

we still have the furniture at Cisco

I think we should check what's there

yes

Aeron chairs in the RT lounge?

sounds more upmarket :)

:)

More chairs would be nice.

Florian: I can ping my contacts in Diegem

we can check what's there

on Thursday / Friday

we should have taken inventory last year :)

and drop by Ikea again

Florian: ah, true

n/m

Also, there's t-shirt stock that's a sunk cost, so spending a bit at Ikea again isn't a problem.

true

anything else on RTL?

I think there's even a hoodie or ten.

I guess that's a no :)

so moving on to Speakers :)

I haven't had time to check the mails

but how are we looking on that front?

Florian: I can make a rough agenda tonight

[Going back to the hotel point - Aloft wasn't bad, breakfast was pretty poor but tolerable for a couple of days, getting to FOSDEM was convenient on public travel, and we went to Diegem en masse, so I'm not opposed to going back]

Kev: agreed on breakfast

florian - i was going to go thru the mail tonight and update the wiki

Kev: alright :)

bear: great

so we know for sure how many speakers we have

bear: ok great

next ... hoodies / t-shirts?

I saw a rather lousy proposal about buddycloud but the rest of the speech proposals all looked great.

I don't think we have too many yet - my memory is telling me we have 6

bear: I also heard from Waqas that he would like to give a talk, but I told him to post to the list

Waqas will make it?

he should, yes

yep, if it's not in the list then I won't count it

Simon: that's the hope

Simon: visas can be difficult to come by etc., but we're all pitching in on that front

if we know someone who could make it but can't swing the hotel - let me know - I was planning on going on my own dime but now work is paying for it, so I have that cost covered

:)

next up ... T-Shirts / Hoodies?

no discussions about those yet

do we want them

can we still get them?

There is some stock. QUite a lot of t-shirts, a few hoodies.

hm

the design from last year was very popular

right

Hoodies were big last year, partly due to the low temperatures.

indeed

For talks, I'll give my standard offer - I have nothing interesting to say, but if someone has a topic they'd like me to talk about I'm happy to (assuming I know anything about it). Golly I'm lagging behind this meeting.

The only shirts left are the sick-coloured ones, if I recall correctly.

intosi: :)

kev: fmuc vs dmuc showdown? :-)

intosi, No, I'm pretty sure we had boxes of the block ones too. We started with 200, and they weren't selling *that* fast.

Dave: ah, okay.

Kev, fippo - standards development by mud wrestling.

Black ones.

That's what I meant.

Not "block ones". No Minecraft styling here.

:)

Dove Cridlond, we understood you the first time.

should we try and get some more?

http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants udpated

updated even

stpeter: If you still hae it open, can you pop me on please?

yep

Else I'll try to find my wiki creds.

and me :)

Florian: any chance of some more mobile viking sim cards?

no free ones, but I can buy some

Kev, Are wiki creds like street creds, only less cool?

Kev and Florian added

More cool.

stpeter: ta

stpeter: Thanks.

I'd happily sign-up for a SIM card for the four days.

fippo added too :)

so yeah, coming back to the t-shirts / hoodies

Shirts seem to become less popular every year.

should we order some more ?

or some other merch?

Mugs, polo shirts?

Yeah. The place I got the hoodies from now do a bunch of other clothing. However, I'd note that we barely scraped even last year.

Pens?

I'd be more inclined to get other stuff, if I'm honest, than t-shurts.

Pens might be cool.

mugs are kind of heavy

Should be able to get some cheap enough to give away.

and break easily in transit

Stickers were popular some years ago.

yeah

yeah, let's get stickers

intosi: true

Mugs or Polo shirts or pens I might buy, but equally if we're making a loss on these things and it's a nuisance to arrange, what do they gain us?

some branding

Stickers should be cheap enough to give away.

I'd say, stickers and pens?

stickers with a place to write in your XMPP address would be nice.

Simon: good idea

great idea

I like that :)

then slap it onto your laptop and immediate friends.

and you can write the JID using the pen! brilliant! :)

:)

who wants to take charge on that?

and if you write it really fast, it'll be an instant message ;-)

and maybe come up with some designs?

Glossy stickers are notable for their ability to withstand writing..

stpeter: lol

no volunteers for designs, I see :)

:)

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an artist.

im looking at sticker printers finding one suitable for that

I only draw for medicinal purposes.

let me ask if one of the creative types here can help - no promises but i'll ask

awesome :)

IMHO sticker printing has a longish lead time. Especially for cutouts.

stickermule stickers are great, but yes, glossy, you'd need fine tip sharpies

Simon, you can pay for expidite

I've got to run in a few mins ...

is there anything else?

I'll take a look around for sticker places too

see how quickly they can print

"Hello, my jid is" stickers sound awesome.

do we have artwork handy for the logo?

Yes

you mean the xmpp svg? yes.

I may order some "bear sized" tshirts for myself

:)

bear, I can give you the EPS artwork.

cool

I mis ye olde lightbulb of yore. Made a better logo for shirts and caps.

(For the "Black", and the "Hoodie")

intosi: It did, it did.

intosi: for sure

either the muc lag got really bad for everyone, or I sense an end to the meeting?

:)

Seems to have pretty much calmed down.

seems like it

The lag has got so bad for everyone that Kev';s caught up.

should we plan to meet again next board meeting (which would be at it's normal time)

yes

i.e. next week, just after the tech council

BTW, I have the Cisco rooms reserved, will work on catering plans next week

ta

ok, let's make that a plan then - adjourned till next board meeting

http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants just got a lot bigger, we'll see who else is interested

bear: WFM, let's chat later or tomorrow about the talks

Thanks all.

I'll ping Waqas about posting to the summit@ list

ok back to julython

thanks Florian for doing all of this work to make the Summit awesome

those pesky Django devs took our first place slot, we want it back :-)

http://www.julython.org/teams/

good luck arc

its a completely silly race, see who can make the most commits, but its a great motivator for the teams

bear, you doing julython?

arcriley: just make lots of smaller commits, one for each line of code even :)

I was

ok, thanks all, and especially to Florian!

stpeter, you missed how we got the lead to begin with - Jan 1st, start of the program, I ran a sed script on every project i maintain updating the copyright years. 132 points right there (10 points per repo you contribute to, 1 per commit)

while true; do echo '.' >>julyathon; git add julyathon; git commit -m 'And another'; git push origin master; done

arcriley: heehee

i do that every year tho, so its not defeating the spirit of the game :-)

since their first commit to a repo is worth 11 points im using it to get the opengl kids to play with our xmpp library stuff :-)

Oh, you get more points if it's different users?

yea each user who makes a commit to each repo is 10 points

if you do python stuff you should join, its a lot of fun. there may be swag in it.

OK. My script needs some work, then.

arcriley, Ah, btu I currently don't do Python stuff.

gotcha

arcriley, And, recall, I am EVIL and do closed source things anyway. :-)

ah thats right. you're demon-tainted. :-)

Forked tail, horns. Yup.

but aren't you subversive and there do closed source things generated by python code? I'd be somewhat disappointed otherwise

No Dave, that's BSD right there. See where the confusion comes from, though.

well my secret weapon is all the concordance related repos, all waiting on nodetree and mod_xmpp. almost there. i havent updated the copyright years on those repos yet since im not actively working on them

thats another.... 99 points, at least

fippo, I'm officially subversive, actually. According to British Intelligence.