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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[20:39:12] <stpeter> one more hour, no?
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[21:26:45] <Florian> hi all
[21:26:52] <Simon> Hey Florian.
[21:26:56] <arcriley> howdy
[21:26:59] <intosi> Hi
[21:27:52] <Dave Cridland> Good greebling to one and all.
[21:28:57] <arcriley> wow we may actually have quorum
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[21:30:18] <bear> :)
[21:30:21] <intosi> Madness
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[21:31:35] <Simon> what's the plan for the summit hotel?
[21:31:46] <Dave Cridland> I think you should definitely get a hotel.
[21:31:56] <Simon> I was personally quite happy with the last one -
[21:32:00] <Simon> Aloft.
[21:32:00] *Dave Cridland is Official SUpplier Of Helpful Comments.
[21:32:29] <stpeter> Simon: someone said the travel was a bit inconvenient
[21:32:36] <bear> florian - go ahead and start the meeting
[21:32:42] <Florian> cools
[21:32:48] <intosi> Travel and ENOBACON
[21:32:48] <stpeter> I would like to officially request warmer weather this year!!!
[21:32:56] <Florian> haha
[21:33:07] <Florian> at the moment it doesn't look too cold
[21:33:07] <Dave Cridland> Yeah, I think it was quite nice (modulo breakfast), but also being out of the centre gave us, I thought, a bit of a village atmosphere - I think a lot of useful chatter happened in the evenings and so on.
[21:33:12] *bear is just happy to actually be going this year
[21:33:15] <Simon> I personally didn't have a problem with it for Cisco. That said it was closer to the FOSDEM venue.
[21:33:30] *Simon looks forward to meeting the Bear.
[21:33:46] <Florian> ok, so I've been in touch with some hotels today
[21:33:49] <Florian> and got 3 offers
[21:34:03] <Florian> I don't know if you guys remember the Best Western in the centre
[21:34:08] <Florian> (the bunker one)
[21:34:09] <stpeter> Dave: that's a good point
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[21:34:18] <Florian> Chambres : 12 chambres
Date : du 30.01.2013 au 03.02.2013 – 4 nuits

Prix Spécial : € 129 la chambre single par nuit au lieu de € 330 par chambre par nuit (Net)
€ 159 la chambre double par nuit au lieu de € 350 par chambre par nuit (Net)
Ces prix sont net, TVA, et petit-déjeuner buffet inclus. Ces prix excluent € 8 City Tax par chambre par nuit.
[21:34:32] <Dave Cridland> Each quote in a different language...
[21:34:36] <Florian> haha
[21:34:43] <Florian> so it's 129€ for a single room
[21:35:06] <Dave Cridland> Buffet breakfast included. I didn't stay there, no opinion. (And no say, since I'm not coming this year).
[21:35:22] <Florian> and then I got 2 quotes
[21:35:29] <Florian> one for the Meridien and the ALoft
[21:35:36] <Simon> the Aloft works out about 70pp sharing a twin room.
[21:35:39] <Florian> LE MERIDIEN BRUSSELS (5*)

Aankomst: 30 januari 2013
Vertrek: 03 februari 2013
Kamers: 10 singles
Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer:

Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013

229 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013

129 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen


ALOFT BRUSSELS SCHUMAN (3*)

Aankomst: 30 januari 2013
Vertrek: 03 februari 2013
Kamers: 10 singles
Tarieven – geldig voor 10 kamers of meer:

Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013

169 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013

79 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen
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[21:36:19] <Florian> which means the ALoft is the cheapest
[21:37:01] <stpeter> really, aloft was fine with me
[21:37:07] <Simon> +1
[21:37:12] <stpeter> a bit cheesy, but hey :)
[21:37:13] <Florian> the ALoft was quite fun
[21:37:23] <Florian> a bit more of a community feeling than the others
[21:37:23] <stpeter> maybe I'm just not hip enough :P
[21:37:27] <Florian> with the bar and the Wii
[21:37:32] <Dave Cridland> Florian, is it worth looking at minibus rental or anything, to mitigate the travel?
[21:37:36] <intosi> I was about to write just that, Florian.
[21:37:49] <Dave Cridland> Florian, Although preferably not with you driving.
[21:37:53] <Florian> haha
[21:37:56] *Dave Cridland shudders.
[21:38:04] <Simon> For me it's really just travelling the one day-
[21:38:15] <intosi> I could do some driving, if needed.
[21:38:15] <Florian> the question is ... minibus from / to?
[21:38:35] <bear> let's settle the hotel issue first...
[21:38:39] <Florian> yeah
[21:38:47] <Dave Cridland> Florian, I meant FOSDEM <-> ALoft.
[21:38:50] <bear> any reason to not go with aloft since it's 1) known and 2) affordable
[21:38:59] <Simon> is a minibus during rush hour really going to be quicker?
[21:39:09] <Florian> Simon: unlikely
[21:39:11] <Florian> bit it's weekend
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[21:39:14] <Dave Cridland> Simon, Convenience as well as speed, though.
[21:39:17] <Florian> so it's fine
[21:39:34] <Simon> I presume the minibus is to get to Cisco?
[21:39:47] <Florian> Minibus is not big enough for everyone though
[21:39:56] <Florian> or how small are we talking?
[21:40:06] <Florian> the other issue is parking
[21:40:08] <Simon> for Aloft to FOSDEM a taxi at Euro 5pp seems fine to me.
[21:40:09] <Dave Cridland> Right, I was assuming shuttle from FOSDEM rather than transit to Diegem.
[21:40:26] <stpeter> oh, the public transit is fun, though
[21:40:37] <Simon> I think we are overthinking this.
[21:40:41] <Florian> I agree
[21:40:50] <Florian> I'd say, Minibus is too complicated
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[21:41:27] <Florian> so for Hotel ... ALoft?
[21:41:37] <Simon> I'm down.
[21:41:54] <bear> +1 aloft
[21:42:12] <Dave Cridland> Simon, Surely you're up if you're aloft?
[21:42:34] <Simon> :)
[21:42:41] <Florian> alright
[21:42:45] <Florian> I'll get that sorted tomorrow then
[21:42:53] <Florian> giving Saskia a call :)
[21:42:59] <Florian> right ...
[21:43:16] <Florian> Minibus issue done?
[21:43:22] <stpeter> Florian: yes
[21:43:40] <Florian> next up .. Dinner
[21:44:00] <Florian> given the Summit is now on Thursday / Friday
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[21:44:16] <Dave Cridland> Yes, good point.
[21:44:22] <Florian> I was thinking, let's do the dinner still on Saturday after FOSDEM
[21:44:36] <Florian> I think people will still be there for the Saturday
[21:44:47] <stpeter> I would think so, yes
[21:44:48] <Dave Cridland> Except people will be leaving Sunday, and it's a useful way to break the ice.
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[21:44:54] <Florian> the alternative would be Thursday
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[21:45:53] <bear> anyone only going to the summit will not be present sat night
[21:45:54] <Dave Cridland> I'd lean toward having it earlier (ie, Thursday).
[21:45:59] <bear> (I know I won't be)
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[21:46:22] <Florian> ok
[21:46:29] <Florian> I'll see if we can do Thursday evening then
[21:46:37] <Dave Cridland> Same place, I assume?
[21:46:49] <Florian> I don't mind
[21:46:52] <Florian> easiest place to sort
[21:46:53] <Dave Cridland> I think there'd be riots if you picked anywhere else.
[21:47:00] <bear> :)
[21:47:05] <intosi> It's a tradition.
[21:47:05] <Florian> hehe
[21:47:15] <Simon> and very good.
[21:47:17] <intosi> Break one parameter a year, no more than that.
[21:47:21] <Florian> alright ... then we just need to find some sponsors :)
[21:47:28] <Lance> let's not do everything differently now that bear gets to come :p
[21:47:41] <stpeter> Lance: :)
[21:47:43] <Florian> so if anyone knows anyone willing to sponsor, tell them to give me a shout :)
[21:47:48] <Florian> :D
[21:48:20] <Florian> alright, I'll sort that tomorrow as well
[21:48:31] <stpeter> Florian: I have some ideas about people we can poke :)
[21:48:39] <Florian> great :)
[21:48:43] <Dave Cridland> As do I.
[21:48:49] <bear> we should do a short blog post about the details once they are settled
[21:48:54] *Simon is willing to be poked a bit.
[21:48:55] <stpeter> bear: yep
[21:48:58] <Florian> will do
[21:49:07] <Florian> I'll get those details confirmed tomorrow
[21:49:10] <bear> florian - poke &Yet about the dinner
[21:49:13] <Florian> :)
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[21:49:21] <Florian> anything else on the dinner?
[21:49:26] <stpeter> nope
[21:49:30] <Dave Cridland> Do they do delivery?
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[21:49:43] <Florian> haha
[21:49:48] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: not to Wales, I'm afraid
[21:49:49] <Florian> you would need to sort a courier
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[21:49:57] <Florian> Dave Cridland: only to London :D
[21:50:02] <bear> I'll drop a parcel from the plan as I fly over london
[21:50:13] *stpeter adds 4 more people to the participant list
[21:50:13] <bear> +e
[21:50:18] <Dave Cridland> bear, You won't fly over Wales, though. :-(
[21:50:35] *Kev ambles in.
[21:50:36] <bear> I could try, but I think the airline would frown on the method
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[21:50:40] <intosi> bear: toss it at an angle
[21:50:48] <Simon> What's the plan for the realtime lounge?
[21:50:55] <Florian> so, similar to next year
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[21:51:10] <Florian> we still have the furniture at Cisco
[21:51:24] <Florian> I think we should check what's there
[21:51:24] <stpeter> yes
[21:51:25] <Simon> Aeron chairs in the RT lounge?
[21:51:39] <Simon> sounds more upmarket :)
[21:51:41] <Florian> :)
[21:51:43] <intosi> More chairs would be nice.
[21:51:46] <stpeter> Florian: I can ping my contacts in Diegem
[21:51:46] <Florian> we can check what's there
[21:51:54] <Florian> on Thursday / Friday
[21:51:59] <stpeter> we should have taken inventory last year :)
[21:52:01] <Florian> and drop by Ikea again
[21:52:02] <stpeter> Florian: ah, true
[21:52:05] <stpeter> n/m
[21:52:19] <Dave Cridland> Also, there's t-shirt stock that's a sunk cost, so spending a bit at Ikea again isn't a problem.
[21:52:28] <Florian> true
[21:52:40] <Florian> anything else on RTL?
[21:52:41] <Dave Cridland> I think there's even a hoodie or ten.
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[21:53:23] <Florian> I guess that's a no :)
[21:53:29] <Florian> so moving on to Speakers :)
[21:53:36] <Florian> I haven't had time to check the mails
[21:53:41] <Florian> but how are we looking on that front?
[21:53:48] <stpeter> Florian: I can make a rough agenda tonight
[21:53:53] <Kev> [Going back to the hotel point - Aloft wasn't bad, breakfast was pretty poor but tolerable for a couple of days, getting to FOSDEM was convenient on public travel, and we went to Diegem en masse, so I'm not opposed to going back]
[21:54:07] <stpeter> Kev: agreed on breakfast
[21:54:18] <bear> florian - i was going to go thru the mail tonight and update the wiki
[21:54:18] <Florian> Kev: alright :)
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[21:54:25] <Florian> bear: great
[21:54:27] <bear> so we know for sure how many speakers we have
[21:54:41] <stpeter> bear: ok great
[21:54:55] <Florian> next ... hoodies / t-shirts?
[21:54:55] <Simon> I saw a rather lousy proposal about buddycloud but the rest of the speech proposals all looked great.
[21:54:58] <bear> I don't think we have too many yet - my memory is telling me we have 6
[21:54:59] <stpeter> bear: I also heard from Waqas that he would like to give a talk, but I told him to post to the list
[21:55:12] <Simon> Waqas will make it?
[21:55:17] <Florian> he should, yes
[21:55:18] <bear> yep, if it's not in the list then I won't count it
[21:55:35] <stpeter> Simon: that's the hope
[21:55:54] <stpeter> Simon: visas can be difficult to come by etc., but we're all pitching in on that front
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[21:56:25] <bear> if we know someone who could make it but can't swing the hotel - let me know - I was planning on going on my own dime but now work is paying for it, so I have that cost covered
[21:57:00] <Florian> :)
[21:57:27] <Florian> next up ... T-Shirts / Hoodies?
[21:57:33] <Florian> no discussions about those yet
[21:57:36] <Florian> do we want them
[21:57:39] <Florian> can we still get them?
[21:57:50] <Dave Cridland> There is some stock. QUite a lot of t-shirts, a few hoodies.
[21:57:50] <stpeter> hm
[21:57:50] <Florian> the design from last year was very popular
[21:57:54] <stpeter> right
[21:57:54] <intosi> Hoodies were big last year, partly due to the low temperatures.
[21:57:59] <Florian> indeed
[21:58:01] <Kev> For talks, I'll give my standard offer - I have nothing interesting to say, but if someone has a topic they'd like me to talk about I'm happy to (assuming I know anything about it). Golly I'm lagging behind this meeting.
[21:58:13] <intosi> The only shirts left are the sick-coloured ones, if I recall correctly.
[21:58:34] <stpeter> intosi: :)
[21:58:50] <fippo> kev: fmuc vs dmuc showdown? :-)
[21:58:57] <Dave Cridland> intosi, No, I'm pretty sure we had boxes of the block ones too. We started with 200, and they weren't selling *that* fast.
[21:59:09] <intosi> Dave: ah, okay.
[21:59:13] <Dave Cridland> Kev, fippo - standards development by mud wrestling.
[21:59:22] <Dave Cridland> Black ones.
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[21:59:27] <Dave Cridland> That's what I meant.
[21:59:38] <Dave Cridland> Not "block ones". No Minecraft styling here.
[21:59:42] <Florian> :)
[22:00:01] <intosi> Dove Cridlond, we understood you the first time.
[22:00:32] <Florian> should we try and get some more?
[22:00:48] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants udpated
[22:00:59] <stpeter> updated even
[22:01:06] <Kev> stpeter: If you still hae it open, can you pop me on please?
[22:01:13] <stpeter> yep
[22:01:15] <Kev> Else I'll try to find my wiki creds.
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[22:01:16] <Florian> and me :)
[22:01:32] <Simon> Florian: any chance of some more mobile viking sim cards?
[22:01:43] <Florian> no free ones, but I can buy some
[22:01:50] <Dave Cridland> Kev, Are wiki creds like street creds, only less cool?
[22:01:54] <stpeter> Kev and Florian added
[22:01:58] <Kev> More cool.
[22:01:59] <Florian> stpeter: ta
[22:02:01] <Kev> stpeter: Thanks.
[22:02:21] <Simon> I'd happily sign-up for a SIM card for the four days.
[22:02:34] <stpeter> fippo added too :)
[22:02:56] <Florian> so yeah, coming back to the t-shirts / hoodies
[22:02:59] <intosi> Shirts seem to become less popular every year.
[22:03:04] <Florian> should we order some more ?
[22:03:18] <Florian> or some other merch?
[22:03:32] <intosi> Mugs, polo shirts?
[22:03:34] <Dave Cridland> Yeah. The place I got the hoodies from now do a bunch of other clothing. However, I'd note that we barely scraped even last year.
[22:03:35] <intosi> Pens?
[22:03:35] <Kev> I'd be more inclined to get other stuff, if I'm honest, than t-shurts.
[22:03:50] <Dave Cridland> Pens might be cool.
[22:03:54] <stpeter> mugs are kind of heavy
[22:04:00] <Dave Cridland> Should be able to get some cheap enough to give away.
[22:04:01] <Florian> and break easily in transit
[22:04:05] <intosi> Stickers were popular some years ago.
[22:04:06] <stpeter> yeah
[22:04:11] <Florian> yeah, let's get stickers
[22:04:12] <stpeter> intosi: true
[22:04:12] <Kev> Mugs or Polo shirts or pens I might buy, but equally if we're making a loss on these things and it's a nuisance to arrange, what do they gain us?
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[22:04:57] <Florian> some branding
[22:05:00] <intosi> Stickers should be cheap enough to give away.
[22:05:02] <Florian> I'd say, stickers and pens?
[22:05:08] <Simon> stickers with a place to write in your XMPP address would be nice.
[22:05:15] <intosi> Simon: good idea
[22:05:19] <arcriley> great idea
[22:05:25] <Florian> I like that :)
[22:05:28] <Simon> then slap it onto your laptop and immediate friends.
[22:05:36] <stpeter> and you can write the JID using the pen! brilliant! :)
[22:05:41] <Florian> :)
[22:05:52] <Florian> who wants to take charge on that?
[22:05:56] <stpeter> and if you write it really fast, it'll be an instant message ;-)
[22:05:58] <Florian> and maybe come up with some designs?
[22:06:03] <intosi> Glossy stickers are notable for their ability to withstand writing..
[22:06:05] <Florian> stpeter: lol
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[22:08:09] <stpeter> no volunteers for designs, I see :)
[22:08:15] <Florian> :)
[22:08:24] <Kev> Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an artist.
[22:08:39] <arcriley> im looking at sticker printers finding one suitable for that
[22:08:48] <intosi> I only draw for medicinal purposes.
[22:08:51] <bear> let me ask if one of the creative types here can help - no promises but i'll ask
[22:08:58] <Florian> awesome :)
[22:09:06] <Simon> IMHO sticker printing has a longish lead time. Especially for cutouts.
[22:09:16] <arcriley> stickermule stickers are great, but yes, glossy, you'd need fine tip sharpies
[22:09:25] <arcriley> Simon, you can pay for expidite
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[22:10:18] <Florian> I've got to run in a few mins ...
[22:10:23] <Florian> is there anything else?
[22:10:42] <Florian> I'll take a look around for sticker places too
[22:10:47] <Florian> see how quickly they can print
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[22:11:53] <Dave Cridland> "Hello, my jid is" stickers sound awesome.
[22:12:11] <bear> do we have artwork handy for the logo?
[22:12:19] <Dave Cridland> Yes
[22:12:23] <arcriley> you mean the xmpp svg? yes.
[22:12:35] <bear> I may order some "bear sized" tshirts for myself
[22:12:46] <Florian> :)
[22:12:47] <Dave Cridland> bear, I can give you the EPS artwork.
[22:12:57] <bear> cool
[22:12:59] <intosi> I mis ye olde lightbulb of yore. Made a better logo for shirts and caps.
[22:13:00] <Dave Cridland> (For the "Black", and the "Hoodie")
[22:13:21] <Kev> intosi: It did, it did.
[22:14:11] <stpeter> intosi: for sure
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[22:16:53] <bear> either the muc lag got really bad for everyone, or I sense an end to the meeting?
[22:17:04] <stpeter> :)
[22:17:05] <Kev> Seems to have pretty much calmed down.
[22:17:08] <arcriley> seems like it
[22:17:24] <Dave Cridland> The lag has got so bad for everyone that Kev';s caught up.
[22:17:28] <bear> should we plan to meet again next board meeting (which would be at it's normal time)
[22:17:40] <arcriley> yes
[22:17:47] <bear> i.e. next week, just after the tech council
[22:18:10] <stpeter> BTW, I have the Cisco rooms reserved, will work on catering plans next week
[22:18:15] <bear> ta
[22:18:45] <bear> ok, let's make that a plan then - adjourned till next board meeting
[22:18:48] <stpeter> http://wiki.xmpp.org:12480/web/Summit_13#Participants just got a lot bigger, we'll see who else is interested
[22:18:58] <stpeter> bear: WFM, let's chat later or tomorrow about the talks
[22:19:03] <Kev> Thanks all.
[22:19:09] <stpeter> I'll ping Waqas about posting to the summit@ list
[22:19:19] <arcriley> ok back to julython
[22:19:19] <bear> thanks Florian for doing all of this work to make the Summit awesome
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[22:19:34] <arcriley> those pesky Django devs took our first place slot, we want it back :-)
[22:19:42] <arcriley> http://www.julython.org/teams/
[22:19:43] <bear> good luck arc
[22:20:12] *bear goes back to writing chef scripts for redis and riak
[22:20:14] <arcriley> its a completely silly race, see who can make the most commits, but its a great motivator for the teams
[22:20:23] <arcriley> bear, you doing julython?
[22:20:41] <stpeter> arcriley: just make lots of smaller commits, one for each line of code even :)
[22:20:46] <bear> I was
[22:21:09] <stpeter> ok, thanks all, and especially to Florian!
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[22:21:40] <arcriley> stpeter, you missed how we got the lead to begin with - Jan 1st, start of the program, I ran a sed script on every project i maintain updating the copyright years. 132 points right there (10 points per repo you contribute to, 1 per commit)
[22:21:45] <Dave Cridland> while true; do echo '.' >>julyathon; git add julyathon; git commit -m 'And another'; git push origin master; done
[22:21:52] <stpeter> arcriley: heehee
[22:22:08] <arcriley> i do that every year tho, so its not defeating the spirit of the game :-)
[22:22:38] <arcriley> since their first commit to a repo is worth 11 points im using it to get the opengl kids to play with our xmpp library stuff :-)
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[22:23:02] <Dave Cridland> Oh, you get more points if it's different users?
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[22:23:18] <arcriley> yea each user who makes a commit to each repo is 10 points
[22:24:02] <arcriley> if you do python stuff you should join, its a lot of fun. there may be swag in it.
[22:24:04] <Dave Cridland> OK. My script needs some work, then.
[22:24:19] <Dave Cridland> arcriley, Ah, btu I currently don't do Python stuff.
[22:24:31] <arcriley> gotcha
[22:24:34] <Dave Cridland> arcriley, And, recall, I am EVIL and do closed source things anyway. :-)
[22:24:50] <arcriley> ah thats right. you're demon-tainted. :-)
[22:25:03] <Dave Cridland> Forked tail, horns. Yup.
[22:25:19] <fippo> but aren't you subversive and there do closed source things generated by python code? I'd be somewhat disappointed otherwise
[22:25:32] <intosi> No Dave, that's BSD right there. See where the confusion comes from, though.
[22:25:54] <arcriley> well my secret weapon is all the concordance related repos, all waiting on nodetree and mod_xmpp. almost there. i havent updated the copyright years on those repos yet since im not actively working on them
[22:26:01] <arcriley> thats another.... 99 points, at least
[22:26:06] <Dave Cridland> fippo, I'm officially subversive, actually. According to British Intelligence.
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