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XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings

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[18:00:39] <arcriley> I see in my firebug window some very interesting websocket output
[18:01:12] <arcriley> <stream:stream xmlns='jabber:client' xmlns:stream='http://etherx.jabber.org/streams' id='9b439c94-c8b7-4344-9b30-58dd3c46b6b2' from='localhost' version='1.0' xml:lang='en'>
[18:01:23] <arcriley> <stream:features><mechanisms xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl'><mechanism>SCRAM-SHA-1</mechanism><mechanism>DIGEST-MD5</mechanism></mechanisms></stream:features>
[18:01:56] <arcriley> so mod_xmpp is now cutting the server stream into stanzas *and* removing <starttls/> from stream features
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[18:02:09] <arcriley> i think its damned close to first release time!
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[18:07:27] <stpeter> :)
[18:08:59] <arcriley> afaik this is the first full implementation of xmpp over websockets
[18:09:06] <arcriley> there's some rough edges in the last draft
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[18:10:07] <stpeter> arcriley: there are, please provide feedback to the xmpp@ietf.org list
[18:10:21] <stpeter> arcriley: I thought that there was an implementation in ejabberd
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[18:10:38] <arcriley> is there?
[18:11:05] <stpeter> the draft co-author worked on ejabberd at the time
[18:11:19] <stpeter> and I know one person at the XMPP Summit last year had an implementation
[18:11:26] <arcriley> ah cool
[18:11:34] <arcriley> how did they hook into the webserver?
[18:11:38] <stpeter> not sure
[18:11:45] <stpeter> I didn't hear about the details
[18:11:56] <arcriley> websockets support in webservers isnt exactly... yea
[18:12:01] <stpeter> :)
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[18:12:31] <arcriley> thats why I wrote this, its the cleanest way to implement it without a bunch of hacks or http proxy stuff
[18:12:42] <arcriley> apache doesn't proxy websockets correctly either
[18:13:20] <arcriley> theres a module to implement websockets, but it seems to have an unstable api and you need to add an extra module on top of it to implement the protocol
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[22:18:56] <bear> arcriley we are using haproxy to proxy websockets - v1.5 is handling it very nicely for us
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[22:54:05] <Lance> so at the last summit, there was discussion on integrating MAM with result sets
[22:54:17] <Lance> particularly on requesting pages in reversed order
[22:54:49] <Lance> so I've written up a potential addition to XEP-0059 to make that work: https://gist.github.com/4458101
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[22:59:44] <stpeter> Lance: excellent -- let's ping Matthew about that while we're at it (but you probably already have done so)
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[22:59:59] <Lance> not yet, I don't think he's online
[23:00:14] <stpeter> haven't seen him
[23:00:22] <stpeter> but he is a man of many JIDs :)
[23:00:29] <Lance> indeed :)
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